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Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 08-07-2011 03:42 AM

SoSayWeAll Wrote:

First off... everyone's racist. There's nothing you can do about it, it's a base-level component of the hard-wired instinctual programming called human nature. We're ALL racist, it matters not what color we are or what group we belong to.

maybe you need to change your handle to "so says me" and speak for yourself. just because you want to admit something about yourself does not make anyone else culpable for your beliefs...how asinine!

SoSayWeAll Wrote:

Furthermore, 'racism' actually serves a valid purpose, allowing you to sort individuals by the degree to which they are compatible with your inherent qualities and values. It no doubt originated as a way of protecting ones self and ones group from strangers that didn't hold your best interests at heart.

And that remains a VERY valid function.

so by this you are saying that the only people whom share compatibility with your inherent values and qualities would be of the same "race" as you...defined of course by the color of their skin?

languages and goegraphy have more to do with our perceived differences than the colors of our skin IMO.

but it seems we disagree and that is ok.

~~SoSayWeAll~~ · **~~SoSayWeAll~~** Banned User ID: 14751 08-07-2011 03:45 AM **Posts: 7,267**

On another note, I saw a report on Fox earlier - FOX - !!! - about the race riot at the State Fair in Milwaukee, and they went well out of their way to purposely NOT say a single thing about race in any way shape or form.

I was stunned, actually. Fox? I mean sure CNN, MSNBC, any of the traditional leftist media outlets, that's what I would have expected, but FOX?

I honestly did think if there was one of the news organizations that would give a story an honest shot, it was them, but obviously they're just as much a bunch of politically correct fools as the rest.

I mean, you can not even report that story without mentioning the plain fact that it was blacks attacking whites. It's an inherent substantive fact of the story. Not mentioning the racial aspect of that story is like reporting a bad accident and never mentioning if it was cars, trucks or buses.

Or like reporting this weeks fallen political hack and his scandal du-jour and never mentioning what the weasel actually DID...

See what I mean?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 44690 08-07-2011 03:48 AM

SoSayWeAll Wrote:

On another note, I saw a report on Fox earlier - FOX - !!! - about the race riot at the State Fair in Milwaukee, and they went well out of their way to purposely NOT say a single thing about race in any way shape or form.

I was stunned, actually. Fox? I mean sure CNN, MSNBC, any of the traditional leftist media outlets, that's what I would have expected, but FOX?

I honestly did think if there was one of the news organizations that would give a story an honest shot, it was them, but obviously they're just as much a bunch of politically correct fools as the rest.

I mean, you can not even report that story without mentioning the plain fact that it was blacks attacking whites. It's an inherent substantive fact of the story. Not mentioning the racial aspect of that story is like reporting a bad accident and never mentioning if it was cars, trucks or buses.

Or like reporting this weeks fallen political hack and his scandal du-jour and never mentioning what the weasel actually DID...

See what I mean?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 44262 08-07-2011 03:50 AM

DrPostman Wrote:

I live in a city (Memphis) where the population is 63% black.
But I don't see any signs of the trouble some people seem to
want there to be. We have over 308 million people in the US
and out of that number you can only cite the involvement of
less than a few dozen in any racially motivated incidents. I'm
sorry, but 99% of the rest of us Americans enjoy our standard
of living and aren't going to give that up to engage in a war
based on ignorance and stupidity. There will always be extremists
of all stripes in society - doesn't mean they have the power to
change that society.

I disagree, how much have things changed in the US since 9/11 as a result of the actions of a few.

~~SoSayWeAll~~ · **~~SoSayWeAll~~** Banned User ID: 14751 08-07-2011 03:56 AM **Posts: 7,267**

Pi Wrote:

SoSayWeAll Wrote:
First off... everyone's racist. There's nothing you can do about it, it's a base-level component of the hard-wired instinctual programming called human nature. We're ALL racist, it matters not what color we are or what group we belong to.

maybe you need to change your handle to "so says me" and speak for yourself. just because you want to admit something about yourself does not make anyone else culpable for your beliefs...how asinine!

SoSayWeAll Wrote:
Furthermore, 'racism' actually serves a valid purpose, allowing you to sort individuals by the degree to which they are compatible with your inherent qualities and values. It no doubt originated as a way of protecting ones self and ones group from strangers that didn't hold your best interests at heart.

And that remains a VERY valid function.
so by this you are saying that the only people whom share compatibility with your inherent values and qualities would be of the same "race" as you...defined of course by the color of their skin?

languages and goegraphy have more to do with our perceived differences than the colors of our skin IMO.

but it seems we disagree and that is ok.

Please try to read what I'm actually SAYING, and not what you have been conditioned to THINK I'm saying when this subject arises... but ultimately it doesn't much matter if anyone else agrees or not, I was just putting that out there because in my experience it's true.

And yes - on a MACRO level, people's views, attitudes, and most probable GROUP behavior as well as other characteristics ARE able to be estimated by taking race into account, along with other factors.

~~SoSayWeAll~~ · **~~SoSayWeAll~~** Banned User ID: 14751 08-07-2011 04:09 AM **Posts: 7,267**

Pi Wrote:

SoSayWeAll Wrote:
First off... everyone's racist. There's nothing you can do about it, it's a base-level component of the hard-wired instinctual programming called human nature. We're ALL racist, it matters not what color we are or what group we belong to.

maybe you need to change your handle to "so says me" and speak for yourself. just because you want to admit something about yourself does not make anyone else culpable for your beliefs...how asinine!

SoSayWeAll Wrote:
Furthermore, 'racism' actually serves a valid purpose, allowing you to sort individuals by the degree to which they are compatible with your inherent qualities and values. It no doubt originated as a way of protecting ones self and ones group from strangers that didn't hold your best interests at heart.

And that remains a VERY valid function.
so by this you are saying that the only people whom share compatibility with your inherent values and qualities would be of the same "race" as you...defined of course by the color of their skin?

languages and goegraphy have more to do with our perceived differences than the colors of our skin IMO.

but it seems we disagree and that is ok.

And good going selectively quoting what I said to support your pre-conceived opinion... which is a very prominent habit these days.

Had you included this sentence: "The difference arises I suppose from if you admit that or not, and what you do with it." the meaning of my point is better explained.

The difference is, that if one recognizes that tendency it explains a lot about peoples actions and reactions to things, and it also allows you to be more cognizant of your OWN reactions in various situations which is only a good thing.

So OK fine, you don't believe that people tend to be inherently racist by nature, regardless of whatever specific racial group they belong to.

As you said... We disagree.

**Currahee**

The Ghost of David Carradine Wrote:

Distract, distract, distract.

Divide and conquer.

Yep, and people are lapping it up like dogs.

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 08-07-2011 04:15 AM

SoSayWeAll Wrote:

Please try to read what I'm actually SAYING, and not what you have been conditioned to THINK I'm saying when this subject arises... but ultimately it doesn't much matter if anyone else agrees or not, I was just putting that out there because in my experience it's true.

And yes - on a MACRO level, people's views, attitudes, and most probable GROUP behavior as well as other characteristics ARE able to be estimated by taking race into account, along with other factors.

my experience has been different from yours and i'm not fool enough to argue the day to day circumstances of reality with anyone.....it's relative you know?

i'll bet good money you would say we are of the same race based upon your criteria. there are racists in my own family that i would just as soon not associate with and don't, whereas i have friends from different cultures who are more like family to me than the aforementioned fucktards. my experience my reality...my opinion. you have taken exception to both of my original posts and my every response to you ....hooray. does not make you right...or wrong.

even though you have assumed that i am preconditioned to the point where critical thinking is unavailable to me, I know different.
my experience has led me to the good fortune of having traveled much of the non-anglo world. as a result i see it differently than you both in the micro and the macro.

i have not stated that the idea of "race" does not play into group behavior and attitudes...my point the whole way has been that the way out of that segregated illusion is to see that it is in fact an illusion....a word...a buzz word backing a belief that is false and effects behaviors and attitudes as a result.

you are a racist..... I am not....end of story

**David** · **David** regulate this! User ID: 44487 08-07-2011 04:18 AM **Posts: 31,244**

Currahee Wrote:

The Ghost of David Carradine Wrote:
Distract, distract, distract.

Divide and conquer.

Yep, and people are lapping it up like dogs.

"Like a dog to its vomit, so return the fool to his folly."

The Book of Proverbs from the book of Babylonian Fairy Tales called the "Bible".

OK, so sometimes it makes some salient points.

**Spoon**

I voted possible but only in the way that anything is possible. Highly unlikely would better encompass my thoughts on the matter.

**goldenfleeced**

Bond, James Bond Wrote:

only a rat wins a rat race.

one race...human

Evidently, I'm missing something, and I can't say I'm sorry, either...

And by the way, right on...

Fight 'the man,' not your fellow man. :)

**Pope On Coke**

The Ghost of David Carradine Wrote:

Distract, distract, distract.

Divide and conquer.

Basically.

Unfortunately, most of the black community is too dumbed down to realize they're being manipulated and led like cattle. Do they not realize they're only 12% of the U.S. population? Go ahead and antagonize the majority and see what the results will be when you piss them off enough!

This isn't looking good at all.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 31434 08-07-2011 04:34 AM

seems like a 9 out of 10 chance that the blacks will be rounded up quietly in the dead of night, and sent to FEMA Camps forever. Never to be heard from again...just via regular Law Engforcement Channels (don't taze me bro door kick in's at 4am, traffic stops, etc...) that deal with them on a daily basis 24/7.

OR SEGREGATION will be put back in place for the saftey of Regular Americans...

Bet the 1st move will be to di-enfranchise them (remove their ability to vote in elections), due to their low IQ and dragging down the United States. Then THEY can be delt with in a manner that benifits both them, and the rest of the people in the USA (besides the Commie Liberals that is).

**Currahee**

Pope On Coke Wrote:

The Ghost of David Carradine Wrote:
Distract, distract, distract.

Divide and conquer.

Basically.

Unfortunately, most of the black community is too dumbed down to realize they're being manipulated and led like cattle. Do they not realize they're only 12% of the U.S. population? Go ahead and antagonize the majority and see what the results will be when you piss them off enough!

This isn't looking good at all.

Oh ... they're the ones unaware they're being being manipulated and led like cattle. 1/2 of all your posts here so far have been about race.

facepalm

**Anonµmous™**

Pi Wrote:

Anonµmous™ Wrote:
Bond, James Bond Wrote:
only a rat wins a rat race.

one race... human

Why are the same people that promote diversity, so afraid to acknowledge it? Human variation is real. With that said, I'll take my leave. These threads are emotionally draining...
here's my take as the op asked for

human variation is still human.....diversity comes in cultures and cultures are vastly different but all human according to dna.

what many label as racism could just as easily be labeled cultural ignorance. education cures ignorance. racism is fear born of ignorance....to continually promote the existence of races continues to breed the problem of racism.

a racist is always a racist, generally speaking. someone who is just culturally ignorant has a chance to be educated.

quick to judge, quick to anger and slow to understand

ignorance and prejudice and fear

all walk hand in hand

What does culture have to do with variation?

What is a human? Would Homo neanderthalensis be considered human? Neanderthals contributed to the DNA of all non-Africans (up to 5%). Since decoding the Neanderthal genome, we know that they had white skin, light hair, and light eyes. Sound familiar? Perhaps a visual?

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Is it a coincidence that the people of Europe, where humans and neanderthals coexisted for the longest, share these traits?

My point? Up until a few years ago, it was believed that Neanderthals were so far separated as to be unable to interbreed with homo-sapiens, yet we know for a fact that happened. We're still struggling to define who and what we are, what makes you so certain that human variation doesn't exist? You call me ignorant, I call you naive.

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Finding said to show “race isn’t real” scrapped

That idea—entrenched today in academia, and often used to castigate scholars who study race—has drawn much of its scientific backing from a finding that all people are 99.9 percent genetically alike.

But geneticist Craig Venter, head of a research team that reported that figure in 2001, backed off it in an announcement this week. He said human variation now turns out to be over seven times greater than was thought, though he’s not changing his position on race.

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The findings reveal “human-to-human variation is more than seven-fold greater than earlier estimates, proving that we are in fact very unique individuals at the genetic level,” Venter said. The 99.9 figure might need to be lowered to about 99, he added. The findings are to appear in the October issue of the online research journal PLoS Biology. Venter added that the cost of sequencing an individual person’s genome is rapidly dropping, and that a decade from now, “thousands or tens of thousands” will have their DNA code written out.

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The original estimate showing near-zero variability in the genome, a product of the Human Genome Project, was a result of the different technology used for that work, said a colleague of Venter’s, Stephen Scherer of the Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto.

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Some researchers said that now that Venter has dropped the 99.9 percent claim, he should also admit race might exist. Denial of that “obvious” fact is “an extreme manifestation of political correctness,” wrote Richard Lynn, a psychologist who has proposed links between race and intelligence, in an email. Lynn, of the University of Ulster in Ireland, added that he thinks Venter has unfairly maligned scientists who believe race exists.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/0...iation.htm