LoP Guest  Wrote:

I don't care where you're living, peeps on welfare are not making the equivalent of 62,400 frn-s per year. hogwash

California apartments, one bedroom, typically start at 1,300
Have a child and need two bedrooms, looking at around 1,600
Section 8? FREE!

Childcare, privately, runs around 12 an hour. Preschool is free, after school care is not, typically 15 an hour, or flat at around 350.00 per month (STAR PROGRAM) - welfare = free.
Bus fare, metro fare = free
Allowance on food, for one: 220. For two, one being child 340, plus you qualify for other programs (I forget the name, but it's milk, cereals, etc.)

Then you get free healthcare as well, in most cases. I can't even compute a cost on that, but here is an estimate given the numbers where I am from (doing the lowball numbers):
15,600 - rent
2, 640 - food
3,600 - child care
720 - bus fare

= 22,560 yearly (this doesn't include health care and dental, nor other benefits like low-income electric and the like.)

Lsst month, the Senate Budget Committee reports that in fiscal year 2011, between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. household below the poverty line received $168.00 a day in government support. What’s the problem with that much support? Well, the median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day.

To put it another way, being on welfare now pays the equivalent of $30.00 an hour for a 40-hour week, while the average job pays $25.00 an hour.

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LoP Guest  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I don't care where you're living, peeps on welfare are not making the equivalent of 62,400 frn-s per year. hogwash

California apartments, one bedroom, typically start at 1,300
Have a child and need two bedrooms, looking at around 1,600
Section 8? FREE!

Childcare, privately, runs around 12 an hour. Preschool is free, after school care is not, typically 15 an hour, or flat at around 350.00 per month (STAR PROGRAM) - welfare = free.
Bus fare, metro fare = free
Allowance on food, for one: 220. For two, one being child 340, plus you qualify for other programs (I forget the name, but it's milk, cereals, etc.)

Then you get free healthcare as well, in most cases. I can't even compute a cost on that, but here is an estimate given the numbers where I am from (doing the lowball numbers):
15,600 - rent
2, 640 - food
3,600 - child care
720 - bus fare

= 22,560 yearly (this doesn't include health care and dental, nor other benefits like low-income electric and the like.)

so you are saying that every houshold on welfare has a preschool child/needs afterschool care, has no car, and uses section 8?

you do realize this is not truly funded by the taxpayer don't you? the united states is in debt to the tune of $3+ quadrillion (3000+trillion). these programs are covered actually by simply printing money at the global and the US of a level. Your tax money goes to the federal reserve system and not to your country, which borrows from the system. Your tax money cannot ever come close to this debt.

and the cost to society of not feeding and sheltering everyone is more tremendous than not doing it. there are not enough jobs out there for the burgeoning numbers of people. Keep it in your pants guys and this will do a long ways.

How are you getting the $168 per day?I know lots of people on welfare and foodstamps, not one of them is getting anywhere near that amount per day.

Frank  Wrote:

Lsst month, the Senate Budget Committee reports that in fiscal year 2011, between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. household below the poverty line received $168.00 a day in government support. What’s the problem with that much support? Well, the median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day.

To put it another way, being on welfare now pays the equivalent of $30.00 an hour for a 40-hour week, while the average job pays $25.00 an hour.

you saying the welfare household has MORE in food, housing, childcare, and healthcare than a $50.000 a year household? that dont seem correct.

Disturbed nli  Wrote:

Frank  Wrote:

Lsst month, the Senate Budget Committee reports that in fiscal year 2011, between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the average U.S. household below the poverty line received $168.00 a day in government support. What’s the problem with that much support? Well, the median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day.

To put it another way, being on welfare now pays the equivalent of $30.00 an hour for a 40-hour week, while the average job pays $25.00 an hour.

you saying the welfare household has MORE in food, housing, childcare, and healthcare than a $50.000 a year household? that dont seem correct.

It's an average. Some get more, some get less. But all the money doled out averages to $168.00/day considering the amount of people on welfare.

LoP Guest  Wrote:

How are you getting the $168 per day?I know lots of people on welfare and foodstamps, not one of them is getting anywhere near that amount per day.

And barely that per month...

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Frank  Wrote:

Lsst month, the Senate Budget Committee reports that in fiscal year 2011, between food stamps, housing support, child care, Medicaid and other benefits, the [b]average U.S. household below the poverty line[/b] received $168.00 a day in government support. What’s the problem with that much support? Well, the median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day.

weasel words bolded.

Please define accurately "other benefits", because medicare and Social security are almost certainly among these. Meaning this (probably) is statistically deranged propaganda.

Please indicate how many people LIVE in households that receive $168/day in support vs how many live in households nationally.

And finally WHY did this statement have to qualify the comparison with the term "below the poverty line"? Would the stats seem different if households above the poverty line were included?

There are lies, damned lies and statistics. ~ Mark Twain

The universe of means-tested welfare spending refers to programs that provide low-income assistance in the form of direct or indirect financial support—such as food stamps, free housing, child care, etc.—and which the recipient does not pay into (in contrast to Medicare or Social Security).

How are you getting the $168 per day?I know lots of people on welfare and foodstamps, not one of them is getting anywhere near that amount per day.

Frank  Wrote:

Disturbed nli  Wrote:

you saying the welfare household has MORE in food, housing, childcare, and healthcare than a $50.000 a year household? that dont seem correct.

It's an average. Some get more, some get less. But all the money doled out averages to $168.00/day considering the amount of people on welfare.

I'd believe it if it included corporate welfare...

Blue Waffle  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

How are you getting the $168 per day?I know lots of people on welfare and foodstamps, not one of them is getting anywhere near that amount per day.

And barely that per month...

Again, it's a national average. That's been stated ad nauseam.

Blue Waffle  Wrote:

Frank  Wrote:

It's an average. Some get more, some get less. But all the money doled out averages to $168.00/day considering the amount of people on welfare.

I'd believe it if it included corporate welfare...

Then I have a suggestion;
Lets get rid of all corporate jobs and asshole, and the welfare system.

Lets do that right now - see how the chips fall.