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20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
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BJ lop guest User ID: 96867 05-17-2012 02:59 AM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
Obesity started to go rampant some time back in the 80's, just as aspartame was getting popular as a "diet" drink. The gov't didn't care then, so why should they care so much now? Well, there's this:
...America’s obesity epidemic is now taking a toll on organ donations, with around one quarter of those willing to help tipping the scales at a weight that makes their vital organs unwanted and unusable.
...As it turns out, almost one quarter of persons listed as would-be kidney donors would in actuality be ineligible due to their weight.
Dr. Sachdeva agrees and warns that, unless serious measures are taken, the obesity issue will only worsen.
“Something needs to be done – we can’t wait on this,” Sachdeva says. “We have more than 92 thousand candidates on the waiting list for a kidney transplant, and nearly a quarter of people who could donate are excluded based on obesity.”
http://rt.com/usa/news/organ-transplant-...esity-243/
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Wyldflwr Registered User User ID: 46881 05-17-2012 03:03 AM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
How about letting people who make bad choices fend for themselves for a change.
It's called personal responsibility.
You want to eat six cheeseburgers for dinner? Boohoo for you when you drop dead of coronary disease at age 42.
The gov't isn't going to "save you". Take some responsibility, America.
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haskins Registered User User ID: 75994 05-17-2012 03:06 AM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
BJ Wrote:Obesity started to go rampant some time back in the 80's, just as aspartame was getting popular as a "diet" drink. The gov't didn't care then, so why should they care so much now? Well, there's this:
...America’s obesity epidemic is now taking a toll on organ donations, with around one quarter of those willing to help tipping the scales at a weight that makes their vital organs unwanted and unusable.
...As it turns out, almost one quarter of persons listed as would-be kidney donors would in actuality be ineligible due to their weight.
Dr. Sachdeva agrees and warns that, unless serious measures are taken, the obesity issue will only worsen.
“Something needs to be done – we can’t wait on this,” Sachdeva says. “We have more than 92 thousand candidates on the waiting list for a kidney transplant, and nearly a quarter of people who could donate are excluded based on obesity.”
http://rt.com/usa/news/organ-transplant-...esity-243/
SO..WE NEED TO BE SKINNY SO RICH CAN HARVEST AND USE OUR ORGANS?
shit....got off big pharmas bullshit 1-1/2 half ago
dropped from 320 to my life time normal average adult weight of 195 or so
so guess I back on the list...till I fill in part what drugs have you done
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 96870 05-17-2012 03:17 AM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
i think part of the reason folks don't eat right is because they are always trying to fill a void, and i don't mean emotional. vitamins were invented in 1939 because they discovered that America's farmland was all "farmed out."
the natural levels of minerals that were supposed to be in the soil and in the food were just not there.
so, people eat and eat and eat trying to fulfill a craving for nutrition that is just not there in most of the food.
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haskins Registered User User ID: 75994 05-17-2012 03:26 AM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
LoP Guest Wrote:i think part of the reason folks don't eat right is because they are always trying to fill a void, and i don't mean emotional. vitamins were invented in 1939 because they discovered that America's farmland was all "farmed out."
the natural levels of minerals that were supposed to be in the soil and in the food were just not there.
so, people eat and eat and eat trying to fulfill a craving for nutrition that is just not there in most of the food.
kinda heard same thing bout how , if we drank the amount of water a day we were suppose to that we would eat less
water , not pop , coffee , beer , ect ...water
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“You know, I told you people something a long time ago, and it's just as pertinent today as it was then. Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice - pull down your pants and slide on the ice.”
Allan Arbus~ As Sidney Freedman
M.A.S.H. 4077
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 93836 05-17-2012 04:25 AM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
Additional taxes don't do a damn thing except piss people off.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 62850 05-17-2012 04:26 AM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
noteye Wrote:It's a proposition some might find hard to swallow: a 20-percent tax on unhealthy food to improve the health of the nation.
Yet such a tax - spread across the food chain from manufacturer to consumer, coupled with changes in food policy to spur production of healthier food - is needed to reverse the pandemic of obesity and chronic diseases, researchers say.
Two articles published online today (May 15) in the British Medical Journal describe this course of action. These opinion pieces come one week before the 65th World Health Assembly, to convene on May 21 to 26 in Geneva, where diet-related diseases will be the primary topic.
Size of fat tax
One article, led by Oliver Mytton of Oxford University's Department of Public Health, looked at tax schemes worldwide to see what has worked, however marginally. Many countries are now using such "sin" taxes, which have curbed tobacco and alcohol use, to limit the consumption of unhealthy food, Mytton said. These taxes are based on the basic economic theory that, as the price of an item rises, the consumption of that item will fall.
But this theory isn't necessarily true with food, Mytton said. Just because the price of microwave-ready, deep-fried, gooey cheese sticks goes up doesn't mean the nation will switch to kale. People might continue eating deep-fried, gooey cheese sticks, because that's what they like to eat and that's all they know how to eat.
Mytton's group, however, found numerous cases in which a relatively high tax altered food consumption in a healthful way. One example comes from Denmark, where early assessment is showing that a new relatively high "fat tax" on oh-so-cherished saturated fat has prompted people to eat foods with a healthier fat profile. Another study comes from Boston, at the Brigham and Women's Hospital cafeteria, where a 35-percent increase in the price of sugary drinks led to a 26-percent reduction in consumption.
Analyzing such food tax schemes, Mytton's group eyeballed a 20-percent tax as the level at which changes on food consumption become noticeable.
Mytton is cognizant of unintended consequences of food taxes - for example, trading one evil for another, less sugar for more fat, or buying less healthy food for lack of money to buy any food. For this reason, he suggests introducing a sugary beverage tax, in which the alternative is usually drinking more tap water.
"A tax isn't going to fix obesity; it's not going to fix diet-related diseases," Mytton said. "There's no single solution. But it can have a role in moving people in the right direction" with their eating patterns. Mytton also would like to see subsidies for healthy foods, such as fruit and vegetables.
Full story... http://www.sott.net/articles/show/245523...ht-Obesity
This is a masked tax on the poor.
People will whine and b*tch about how it's not, but it is. These types of "vice" taxes are mainly aimed at making the poor poorer. More or less it's related to what they're able to afford which are generally processed foods.
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Eclectric Registered User User ID: 13383 05-17-2012 04:33 AM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
Taxes don't fix stupidity.
By all means, marry. If you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher.
- Socrates
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BJ lop guest User ID: 75750 05-17-2012 10:58 AM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
If the Govt. is so concerned about the epidemic of obesity, it should have taken Aspartame and High Fructose Corn Syrup off the market long ago!
Dr. Julian Whitaker -
The Lowdown On Aspartame/NutraSweet
From ´Health & Healing´ March, 2000
From 1960 to l976, there was virtually no change in the number of Americans who were overweight: roughly 24 percent of the population. However, from the mid l980s to the present, this number has more than doubled to 54 percent! this coincides with the massive infusion of noncaloric chemical sweeteners and sugar-free "diet" foods that are eaten by close to three-quarters of the adult population.
...Far from helping us lose weight, aspartame has been proven to increase appetite, especially cravings for sweets. Imagine "diet" products that help you pack on extra pounds!
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They were children or young adults in the late 70s, 80s and 90s when high fructose corn syrup was introduced to the American food supply as a cheap replacement for sugar. Now many of them are struggling with an epidemic of obesity and diabetes, also being referred to as diabesity. ...
According to Dr. Mark Hyman, MD "Immediate action is needed to address this problem on a societal level. The time for blaming the victim, for putting the entire responsibility of the obesity epidemic on a gluttonous population is over. The science is clear, and we have the means to save lives and millions in health care dollars.”
We can lay the cause of obesity to rest. The solution is clear...take the damn chemical sweeteners off the market!
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BJ lop guest User ID: 75750 05-17-2012 11:14 AM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
Another food additive, MSG, that fattens us up for the kill:
A recent Study in rural China on humans, shows MSG contributes to obesity, regardless of caloric intake or activity. Animal studies also showed that glutamate constricts blood vessels. It acts as a calcium channel OPENER, and increased appetite in healthy animals by 40% by acting on the hypothalamus.
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Dr Blaylock, who dedicated all his research and time into studying the problems with aspartame and MSG, explains this in the DVD, Sweet Misery, he calls them 'excitoxins'.
'It causes irreversible holes in the brain! This was found out when they studied the results from feeding this substance to mice in controlled experiments. Why are this dangerous substances allowed in our foods?'
http://www.eastbournetoday.co.uk/ViewArt...eID=929471
http://www.rense.com/general52/msg.htm
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SpeaRitual Courage User ID: 92388 05-17-2012 12:00 PM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
Revenue stream to the rescue!  Probably should charge citizenry for every CCTV image capture per day (best collaborate with the commercial sector).
Edgy-caged citizenry is responsible citizenry!
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Jackinthebox Registered User User ID: 92183 05-17-2012 01:51 PM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
First of all, any food could be considered unhealthy. Proper nutrition has nothing to do with a "don't eat this" approach. This is one reason why they have never been able to successfully regulate food stamps in order to limit what is allowed to be purchased with an EBT card.
Take something as simple as butter for example. Most people tend to think it is "bad" for you when in fact is helps to provide certain essential fats which the body actually does require. Of course, too much of anything can be a problem.
Alternately, will this tax ba applied across the board to anything that is genetically modified, irradiated, etc.? The truth is that probably about 99.5% of what you get in the supermarket is unhealthy and processed. Even the meat, and fresh produce.
Now secondly, and probably even more glaringly obvious, is the fact that people cannot afford healthy foods, and are forced to turn to heavily processed food alternatives. Things like ramen, bologna, white bread, these are all things that poor folk rely on and the middle class even turn to in order to stretch the budget in these hard time. Adding 20% to the food budget of anyone in these hard times is a dangerous proposition and will literally put our country on the road to starvation.
Check out this article on what they have been doing to our food supply...
http://stationsixunderground.blogspot.co...z1v5kDDA4h
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Jackinthebox Registered User User ID: 92183 05-17-2012 02:00 PM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
LoP Guest Wrote:i think part of the reason folks don't eat right is because they are always trying to fill a void, and i don't mean emotional. vitamins were invented in 1939 because they discovered that America's farmland was all "farmed out."
the natural levels of minerals that were supposed to be in the soil and in the food were just not there.
so, people eat and eat and eat trying to fulfill a craving for nutrition that is just not there in most of the food.
Bingo. It's not just about things like MSG and GM. The sad fact is that our food has been stripped of nutritional value. Spinach, for example, has 90% less nutrition than it did in the 1930's. So in order to get the same nutrition that your grandparents got from a single serving, you would now have to have ten servings. Eat ten times as much of anything, you are on the road to obesity. Or alternately, don't eat the ten bowls and suffer starvation on a nutritional level. Which is really what we see happening. Obesity is not the cause of all these health problems we see, nutritional starvation is responsible for things like cancer and diabetes.
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Jackinthebox Registered User User ID: 92183 05-17-2012 02:03 PM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
Wyldflwr Wrote:How about letting people who make bad choices fend for themselves for a change.
It's called personal responsibility.
You want to eat six cheeseburgers for dinner? Boohoo for you when you drop dead of coronary disease at age 42.
The gov't isn't going to "save you". Take some responsibility, America.
Obesity is not about personal choice, it is about a lack of choice. Our food option in this country give the illusion of choice. But it's all shit, no matter what the color of the box is.
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LoP Guest lop guest User ID: 83968 05-17-2012 04:28 PM
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RE: 20% 'Fat Tax' Needed to Fight Obesity
noteye Wrote:It's a proposition some might find hard to swallow: a 20-percent tax on unhealthy food to improve the health of the nation.
Yet such a tax - spread across the food chain from manufacturer to consumer, coupled with changes in food policy to spur production of healthier food - is needed to reverse the pandemic of obesity and chronic diseases, researchers say.
Two articles published online today (May 15) in the British Medical Journal describe this course of action. These opinion pieces come one week before the 65th World Health Assembly, to convene on May 21 to 26 in Geneva, where diet-related diseases will be the primary topic.
Size of fat tax
One article, led by Oliver Mytton of Oxford University's Department of Public Health, looked at tax schemes worldwide to see what has worked, however marginally. Many countries are now using such "sin" taxes, which have curbed tobacco and alcohol use, to limit the consumption of unhealthy food, Mytton said. These taxes are based on the basic economic theory that, as the price of an item rises, the consumption of that item will fall.
But this theory isn't necessarily true with food, Mytton said. Just because the price of microwave-ready, deep-fried, gooey cheese sticks goes up doesn't mean the nation will switch to kale. People might continue eating deep-fried, gooey cheese sticks, because that's what they like to eat and that's all they know how to eat.
Mytton's group, however, found numerous cases in which a relatively high tax altered food consumption in a healthful way. One example comes from Denmark, where early assessment is showing that a new relatively high "fat tax" on oh-so-cherished saturated fat has prompted people to eat foods with a healthier fat profile. Another study comes from Boston, at the Brigham and Women's Hospital cafeteria, where a 35-percent increase in the price of sugary drinks led to a 26-percent reduction in consumption.
Analyzing such food tax schemes, Mytton's group eyeballed a 20-percent tax as the level at which changes on food consumption become noticeable.
Mytton is cognizant of unintended consequences of food taxes - for example, trading one evil for another, less sugar for more fat, or buying less healthy food for lack of money to buy any food. For this reason, he suggests introducing a sugary beverage tax, in which the alternative is usually drinking more tap water.
"A tax isn't going to fix obesity; it's not going to fix diet-related diseases," Mytton said. "There's no single solution. But it can have a role in moving people in the right direction" with their eating patterns. Mytton also would like to see subsidies for healthy foods, such as fruit and vegetables.
Full story... http://www.sott.net/articles/show/245523...ht-Obesity
Great, this will help end "ANOREXIA"!
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