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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 116741 08-29-2012 07:17 AM

Jackinthebox Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
If you give money or food to the homeless bums, you arent helping the homeless problem...YOU ARE THE HOMELESS PROBLEM.

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Why is it dumb? When you pay people to do NOTHING, they will continue to do NOTHING.
Why would a homeless bum ever get off his ass and get a job, when he can make 300 bucks a day standing on a street corner holding a sign and looking for bleeding hearts who will give them money, not really to help them, but to feed their own ego and making themselves think they are helping.
Or like i mentioned before, actually funding criminal gangs and organized crime who are keeping the bums doped up and drunk in cheap hotels and making good money pimping them.
When I see someone with a "Will work for food sign", I offer them work. I hand them some trashbags and tell them I will give them a dollar for every bag of litter they pick up by the time I come back after work. I have NEVER found a homeless bum who would actually do the work. They dont have to really work, because they know some bleeding heart moron is in a car behind me and that moron will give them money for doing NOTHING.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 115799 08-29-2012 07:23 AM

Labor Ready gives out money. But then again, you have to work for it.

If you're not willing to work for money then F you.

**Johntaraz**

I've seen and read about some examples of this.

They are rare.

Most homeless are seriously struggling.

**Jackinthebox** · (This post was last modified: 08-29-2012 08:33 AM by Jackinthebox.)

Zardoz Wrote:

Jackinthebox Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
If you give money or food to the homeless bums, you arent helping the homeless problem...YOU ARE THE HOMELESS PROBLEM.

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Is that a bot post? (the Guest post)

It makes no sense but follows a template.

Probably. But then again, there are people stupid enough to say some shit like that, soo who knows.

**Jackinthebox**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Jackinthebox Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
If you give money or food to the homeless bums, you arent helping the homeless problem...YOU ARE THE HOMELESS PROBLEM.

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Why is it dumb? When you pay people to do NOTHING, they will continue to do NOTHING.
Why would a homeless bum ever get off his ass and get a job, when he can make 300 bucks a day standing on a street corner holding a sign and looking for bleeding hearts who will give them money, not really to help them, but to feed their own ego and making themselves think they are helping.
Or like i mentioned before, actually funding criminal gangs and organized crime who are keeping the bums doped up and drunk in cheap hotels and making good money pimping them.
When I see someone with a "Will work for food sign", I offer them work. I hand them some trashbags and tell them I will give them a dollar for every bag of litter they pick up by the time I come back after work. I have NEVER found a homeless bum who would actually do the work. They dont have to really work, because they know some bleeding heart moron is in a car behind me and that moron will give them money for doing NOTHING.

You show me where all the jobs are, and THEN you MIGHT have a point.

But since you have your head up your ass, you haven't heard. There are 30 million people ACTIVELY looking for work, but there are no jobs for them. You have a job for 30 million people?

Once you have that done, then we can talk about paying tens of millions more people a wage they can actually live on.

AND THEN we can debate the merits of being another cog in the wheel of the machine rather than living your own life as you please.

**Jackinthebox**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Jackinthebox Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
If you give money or food to the homeless bums, you arent helping the homeless problem...YOU ARE THE HOMELESS PROBLEM.

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Why is it dumb? When you pay people to do NOTHING, they will continue to do NOTHING.
Why would a homeless bum ever get off his ass and get a job, when he can make 300 bucks a day standing on a street corner holding a sign and looking for bleeding hearts who will give them money, not really to help them, but to feed their own ego and making themselves think they are helping.
Or like i mentioned before, actually funding criminal gangs and organized crime who are keeping the bums doped up and drunk in cheap hotels and making good money pimping them.
When I see someone with a "Will work for food sign", I offer them work. I hand them some trashbags and tell them I will give them a dollar for every bag of litter they pick up by the time I come back after work. I have NEVER found a homeless bum who would actually do the work. They dont have to really work, because they know some bleeding heart moron is in a car behind me and that moron will give them money for doing NOTHING.

In one breath you are talking about the homeless being the victims of gang slavery, and in the next breath you are calling them lazy people who prey on bleeding heart morons. So which is it?

**Jackinthebox**

Johntaraz Wrote:

I've seen and read about some examples of this.

They are rare.

Most homeless are seriously struggling.

I have seen ONE example of this. Old bum who walked around a small city along the Hudson for YEARS. Had a shopping cart, collected tin cans, the whole bit.

Come to find out, after he was murdered, that he had over a million dollars in a bank account, and owned a home worth more than a million dollars.

Yet at the same time, he was not faking it. This dude lived on the streets, slept in homeless camps, the whole nine yards.

Like I said, he was a well-known bum around town. People knew he was legitimately a street person. In his 60s when he was killed.

**N0D00M**

Jackinthebox Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Jackinthebox Wrote:
That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Why is it dumb? When you pay people to do NOTHING, they will continue to do NOTHING.
Why would a homeless bum ever get off his ass and get a job, when he can make 300 bucks a day standing on a street corner holding a sign and looking for bleeding hearts who will give them money, not really to help them, but to feed their own ego and making themselves think they are helping.
Or like i mentioned before, actually funding criminal gangs and organized crime who are keeping the bums doped up and drunk in cheap hotels and making good money pimping them.
When I see someone with a "Will work for food sign", I offer them work. I hand them some trashbags and tell them I will give them a dollar for every bag of litter they pick up by the time I come back after work. I have NEVER found a homeless bum who would actually do the work. They dont have to really work, because they know some bleeding heart moron is in a car behind me and that moron will give them money for doing NOTHING.

You show me where all the jobs are, and THEN you MIGHT have a point.

But since you have your head up your ass, you haven't heard. There are 30 million people ACTIVELY looking for work, but there are no jobs for them. You have a job for 30 million people?

Once you have that done, then we can talk about paying tens of millions more people a wage they can actually live on.

AND THEN we can debate the merits of being another cog in the wheel of the machine rather than living your own life as you please.

**Disturbed nli** Not the real one! User ID: 1 08-29-2012 08:49 AM

N0D00M Wrote:

Jackinthebox Wrote:
You show me where all the jobs are, and THEN you MIGHT have a point.

But since you have your head up your ass, you haven't heard. There are 30 million people ACTIVELY looking for work, but there are no jobs for them. You have a job for 30 million people?

Once you have that done, then we can talk about paying tens of millions more people a wage they can actually live on.

AND THEN we can debate the merits of being another cog in the wheel of the machine rather than living your own life as you please.

**Jackinthebox**

Practical Wage
On this page, we will itemize a sample budget for a single person in order to analyze what a fair standard would be for a minimum-wage worker. It is our position that a person working eight hours a day, five days a week, at any job, should be able to support themselves to a minimum basic standard of living. This practical wage is necessary in order to elevate the class of working poor to contributing members of society. Working for anything less than what is needed to subsist on independently, is nothing short of slavery.

All figures are based on national averages, for a Federal standard.

RENT ------------------------------$1000
BASIC UTILITIES --------------$200
ADVANCED UTILITIES ------$150
FOOD ------------------------------$300
NON-FOOD GROCERY -----$50
CLOTHING -----------------------$75
TRANSPORTATION ----------$500
HEALTHCARE -----------------$350
MISCELLANEOUS -----------$400
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Average Basic Monthly Expenses $3,025

A full-time job at 40 hours per week is 173.2 hours per month calculating 4.33 weeks in each month. To find a reasonable minimum wage, we divide the average basic monthly expenses figure, by the number of hours worked. For the average American worker to support themselves without government assistance or by borrowing beyond their means, that worker must earn...

$17.47 per hour

Of course, that figure must be after all taxes and contributions are taken, or that anyone earning that amount must be exempt from all such garnishments and liability. A person who cannot even afford to pay their own way, cannot afford to pay taxes. Forcing them to pay taxes that will jeopardize their basic standard of living, is unsound economics and in the long run will only force other taxpayers to subsidize those workers, in turn jeopardizing their own living standard, in a perpetual cycle that we see happening today as more workers descend into deep poverty.

If $17.47 per hour seems unreasonable to you, or just downright impossible, consider a few more facts. There was a time when a grocery clerk, or a department store salesperson could actually support themselves on what they earned. That is not so today.

Using data by the U.S. BLS, the average productivity per American worker has increased 400% since 1950. One way to look at that is that it should only take one-quarter the work hours, or 11 hours per week, to afford the same standard of living as a worker in 1950 (or our standard of living should be 4 times higher). Is that the case? Obviously not. Someone is profiting, it’s just not the average American worker. -Source

Based on consumption growth since 1968, the minimum wage today would have to be $25.05 to represent the same share of the country's total consumption. Based on national income growth, the minimum wage should be $22.08. Based on personal income growth, it should be $21.16. -Source

After adjusting for inflation, minimum wage workers today are paid about 26 percent less than they were in 1974.

At the top 1 percent of the American income distribution, average incomes rose 194 percent between 1974 and 2011. Had U.S. minimum wages risen at the same pace as U.S. maximum wages, the minimum wage would now be $26.96 an hour. -Source

Here is a detailed description of how we arrived at our sample budget figures:

http://mwwuamerica.blogspot.com/p/practical-wage.html

**Jackinthebox** · (This post was last modified: 08-29-2012 09:10 AM by Jackinthebox.)

Just saw an interesting thread "do you fear death?" and it made me think of something else here.

How would you like to die? Would you like to die of a hear attack at the water cooler one cold Monday morning with a half eaten bear claw in your hand? Would you like to die in a car wreck on your way home from that overnight shift you have to work 4 days a week on top of your full time job, just to keep the lights turned on? Maybe get your cap split in an armed robbery at the gas station where you are working 70 hours a week at minimum wage?

f*ck that noise. I would rather get drunk by a campfire one night, and just never wake up. Cheated the hangover for once, and never knew what happened. No pain, no suffering. No knowing you are about to die. No regrets that you will never see your loved ones again and that you are leaving them suffering.

Nope, something to be said for being a f*ckin bum.