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5.8x21mm One for the Gunnies
Malu
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RE: 5.8x21mm
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Chinese Bullets Found With Enemies In Afghanistan and Iraq

China's robust arms industry has been able to duplicate U.S.-made, armor piercing rounds, and the bullets are being found with the enemy in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Two government sources tell HUMAN EVENTS the sniper ammunition is sending alarm bells through the Pentagon as it hurries to keep pace by producing improved body armor for soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors.

The sources said the Chinese munitions are not thought capable of defeating the super-hard ceramic plates that now protect service members against smalls-arms fire, including armor-piercing bullets.

But there are intelligence reports that China is using the copycat bullets to spring board to an even better armor-defeating rifle round that would be able to kill protected personnel.

That is why the Army this year has been on an accelerated testing and developing schedule to field the next-generation ceramic plate in 2009.
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Fatalwishes
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02-14-2011 08:39 PM

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RE: 5.8x21mm One for the Gunnies
Malu  Wrote: (02-14-2011 07:14 PM)
i read about this a few months back, i need to remember where i read it because they were very concerned about this round, as it would void most body armor out there
it was a military website

yes i would like to get my hands on some of this stuff

thanks for the heads up FW

Welcome, there are a lot of new rounds out there I have not studied up on.

Face it, the 9x19mm is getting tired. I'm ready for some real technology.

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Fatalwishes
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RE: 5.8x21mm One for the Gunnies
Malu  Wrote: (02-14-2011 07:20 PM)
http://www.bodyarmornews.com/body-armor-...d_Iraq.htm

Chinese Bullets Found With Enemies In Afghanistan and Iraq

China's robust arms industry has been able to duplicate U.S.-made, armor piercing rounds, and the bullets are being found with the enemy in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Two government sources tell HUMAN EVENTS the sniper ammunition is sending alarm bells through the Pentagon as it hurries to keep pace by producing improved body armor for soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors.

The sources said the Chinese munitions are not thought capable of defeating the super-hard ceramic plates that now protect service members against smalls-arms fire, including armor-piercing bullets.

But there are intelligence reports that China is using the copycat bullets to spring board to an even better armor-defeating rifle round that would be able to kill protected personnel.

That is why the Army this year has been on an accelerated testing and developing schedule to field the next-generation ceramic plate in 2009.


Hrmm this should lead to some interesting ammo developments as well.

I can't wait to see what they come up with.

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Fatalwishes
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RE: 5.8x21mm One for the Gunnies
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-14-2011 06:44 PM)
I wouldn't trust my life to a puny bullet like that, especially fired from a short pistol barrel.

Which one would you choose and why?


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PDW cartridges, shown to scale. From left to right: .30 Carbine, 5.56mm NATO, 6x35 KAC, 5.7mm FN, 4.6mm HK,
5.8x21 Chinese, 6.5x25 CBJ, 9x19 NATO, 9x21 Russian AP, .40 S&W, .45 ACP

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Fatalwishes
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RE: 5.8x21mm One for the Gunnies
This is a really good read here...


http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/PDWdebunk.html

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Omega r.i.p.
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RE: 5.8x21mm One for the Gunnies
Fatalwishes  Wrote: (02-14-2011 08:44 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-14-2011 06:44 PM)
I wouldn't trust my life to a puny bullet like that, especially fired from a short pistol barrel.

Which one would you choose and why?


[Image: 058C_4D5977FF.jpg]


PDW cartridges, shown to scale. From left to right: .30 Carbine, 5.56mm NATO, 6x35 KAC, 5.7mm FN, 4.6mm HK,
5.8x21 Chinese, 6.5x25 CBJ, 9x19 NATO, 9x21 Russian AP, .40 S&W, .45 ACP

In rifle, .308 however thats not on the list.

Pistol??? .45acp and .44 special


Why?

1911's are the way I roll, nuthin' like a good ole thumper.

.44 special?

Nice little carry piece with excellent ballistic performance, plus I load for .44 mag and can use the same dies, and can load .44 special for the .44 mag for plinkin rounds.


Its all quite logical.

chuckle

For he hath fallen from his exaltation,
and received his portion.' (D&C 132:39).
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Fatalwishes
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02-14-2011 09:36 PM

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RE: 5.8x21mm One for the Gunnies
Omega  Wrote: (02-14-2011 09:20 PM)
Fatalwishes  Wrote: (02-14-2011 08:44 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (02-14-2011 06:44 PM)
I wouldn't trust my life to a puny bullet like that, especially fired from a short pistol barrel.

Which one would you choose and why?


[Image: 058C_4D5977FF.jpg]


PDW cartridges, shown to scale. From left to right: .30 Carbine, 5.56mm NATO, 6x35 KAC, 5.7mm FN, 4.6mm HK,
5.8x21 Chinese, 6.5x25 CBJ, 9x19 NATO, 9x21 Russian AP, .40 S&W, .45 ACP

In rifle, .308 however thats not on the list.

Pistol??? .45acp and .44 special


Why?

1911's are the way I roll, nuthin' like a good ole thumper.

.44 special?

Nice little carry piece with excellent ballistic performance, plus I load for .44 mag and can use the same dies, and can load .44 special for the .44 mag for plinkin rounds.


Its all quite logical.

chuckle

Yeah I got a Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 special. I also have a Ruger Super Black Hawk in .44mag and a Marlin 1894 in .44 mag.

One set of dies, all set the same...just slip in the washer to make up the difference. Just like .38 and .357. I hear ya.

I'm fascinated with the new rounds.....seems as though the more I read the less impressive they are over what is currently offered.

5.28x21
45 grains AP 1574 ft / sec 247 FT · lbf

.22 mag

40 gr JHP 1,910 ft/s 324 ft·lbf

Hrmm...imagine if they would just make the .22mag with an AP bullet ....

Then the Kel Tec PMR 30 with the a 30 round mag would really be bad ass.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/5-7x28_cop_killer.htm

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Fatalwishes
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RE: 5.8x21mm One for the Gunnies
Bump


Just 1 bump for the evening gunnies.

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