Ghenghy  Wrote:

birdie  Wrote:

Wow, thank you for that - I have never seen that video before.

I have always thought there was a high probability of no planes due to the problems with the passengers.

But, I have never seen the problems of the video footage so well expalined before.

Oddly enough, the two big discussion boards, Simon Shack's and Phil Jayhan's, come to opposite conclusions - but they have both allowed their research to come to other totally insane ideas.

Birdie, who is Jayhan, and what is his argument with Simon Shack?

Thanks.

Jayhan has the Let's Roll forum and he refuses to even entertain the idea of there being no planes. However, IMO he has gone completely off the rails in his research, and he basically likes to claim that the towers were gutted before the event and that they were empty that day and that no one really died. Kind of undermines whatever actual good research he may have previously done if he starts making such crazy claims, if you ask me.

Shack has similar evidence of the video tampering as the OP's videos so he's a no-plane guy, but I am pretty sure he doesn't think "no one died" that day...

birdie  Wrote:

Ghenghy  Wrote:

Birdie, who is Jayhan, and what is his argument with Simon Shack?

Thanks.

Jayhan has the Let's Roll forum and he refuses to even entertain the idea of there being no planes. However, IMO he has gone completely off the rails in his research, and he basically likes to claim that the towers were gutted before the event and that they were empty that day and that no one really died. Kind of undermines whatever actual good research he may have previously done if he starts making such crazy claims, if you ask me.

Shack has similar evidence of the video tampering as the OP's videos so he's a no-plane guy, but I am pretty sure he doesn't think "no one died" that day...

OK thanks.

Shack is of the opinion that a few hundred died on 9/11, and he presents evidence of that on his site. I was reading the other day that less than 300 names appeared on the SSDI. An independent search will verify this, just like the two flights that never took off that day. The government isnt very good at covering their tracks, they depend on the stupidity of the public.

I stopped reading Lets Roll years ago because IMO it was infested with shills.

Yes, I am also of the opinion that many less died than is reported (even the plane manifests don't match the number of reported dead)but I think Jayhan goes way too far in insisting that basically NO ONE died. That's pretty absurd. He even tries to say the jumpers were fake, which is a bridge too far, IMO, as there is plenty of gory videos available of the aftermath and the firefighters reacting to the jumpers.

I think all of the 9-11 boards are infested with shills, and that even the mods of them have become half-crazy from the research and the paranoia. I once joined Shack's forum and got shit on just for making my (required) new member introduction. I was so shocked by their behavior I told them to take their membership and shove it up their ass - it wasn't worth even engaging in discussion with nutjobs like that. I then took some time to read through their "introductions" thread and discovered that I was just one of many who was instantly bounced upon introduction there. It's too bad they are THAT crazy - thye probably miss out on some good insights from people who might have valuable info, but they're too busy eating their young to notice. Sad.

I understand this thread is based on bogus planes and people,but who gives a shit if its true or not. Honestly,,What truthers should focus on is not videos or pictures but common f*cking sense. 2 aluminum planes cannot pulverize three f*cking buildings made from mild steel and reinforced concrete. When you compare the weight/compound of the planes with the weigh/compound of three f*cking skyscrapers any non-retard will immediately realize how ballsy our government/elite truly is. And they still continue doing it till this day. Any time a powerful entity discloses or is pressed on aggressively advertising information = ITS A f*cking LIE

Its bullshit

For those who are "debunker sheeple" : you are f*cking dumb and deserve what's coming to you. One day your matrix gay ass bubble will pop and I hope you cry like the retarded bitches you are.


Again,,The smoking gun or the elephant in the room is not some youtube video or some documentary , its knowledge. Knowledge in construction. No one needs a degree on anything,just f*cking inform yourself on how shit is built and why. Only then would you realize how bullshit everything you think you know IS!

Sorry for the CAPS in my previous post.

Currahee  Wrote:

Ghenghy  Wrote:

Gheez, what an amateur.

First of all, this is the text that accompanies that video on Liveleak.


"200 jumpers" you say? OMG, I cant stop laughing.

Now, exactly where are the bodies in that clip? Nothing in that short segment from 3:07 to 3:13 can be identified as human bodies, are you f*cking kidding me? And the jumpers were digitally inserted, its obvious.

BTW, as to the claim of "200 jumpers", thats just totally absurd. Most of the so called victims were fakes anyway, and less than 250 of the entire database of "victims" names even appeared in the SSDI as of 3 years ago.

You've been duped. Sorry.

I saw the videos live, I'm not sure if they've ever been aired again? You could see jumpers, and that night I saw pics online. Pics I still wish I would've never looked at.

Not saying they couldn't of been faked.

But why would they need to?

To traumatize, and it worked.

All those jumpers were digitally inserted, and the claim of 200 jumpers.,.. well you must realize how insanely ridiculous that is?

LoP Guest  Wrote:

amazing how stupid you sheep are

So...
people adamantly do not believe the official story.....but they believe bodies and planes have been "digitally inserted"?

That is a REAL logical trade off there...

There were planes, but the U.S. was behind the whole thing. Not Al-CIAda

The Lucky AC  Wrote:

So...
people adamantly do not believe the official story.....but they believe bodies and planes have been "digitally inserted"?

That is a REAL logical trade off there...

There were planes, but the U.S. was behind the whole thing. Not Al-CIAda

Logic includes reason and evidence. You provide neither, all you have is belief. At this point it looks like the towers were blown up by mini nukes and their were no planes. Jim Fetzer is one of the researchers who is willing to go where the evidence leads. Check him out.

LoP Guest  Wrote:

The Lucky AC  Wrote:

So...
people adamantly do not believe the official story.....but they believe bodies and planes have been "digitally inserted"?

That is a REAL logical trade off there...

There were planes, but the U.S. was behind the whole thing. Not Al-CIAda

Logic includes reason and evidence. You provide neither, all you have is belief. At this point it looks like the towers were blown up by mini nukes and their were no planes. Jim Fetzer is one of the researchers who is willing to go where the evidence leads. Check him out.

That's easy for us to say because we weren't there. Why not go to New York or find somebody who was there that day, near the building, and ask them what they saw? There were thousands who saw it.

Problem is finding somebody....

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Problem is finding somebody....

Go to one of the restaurants or ask anyone who works around there. I'm sure you'll find somebody who will tell you. I'm sure if you have your mind set you still wouldn't believe them anyway...even if they did see it all unfold before their very eyes.

I would say that the theory that these were government issued planes and not passenger planes makes sense. Some witnesses said there were no windows, and looked like something from the military. Someone from the media even reported it on that day.