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Chemtrail believers claim that persistent contrails are a new thing, and they call the persistent trails "chemtrails". They also claims that contrails don't last a long time, and they certainly don't spread out and cause cirrus clouds and overcast skies. They also claim the chemtrails started in the late 1990s.

And yet, here's an issue of Popular Science, from 1969, 43 years ago, which says:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC4kndAlhn0

How Jet Planes affect weather

The reflectivity of the earth is also altered by jet contrails, say Dr. Walter Orr Roberts, director of the National Center for Atmospheric Research.

Contrails, Dr. Roberts explains, do not simply spread out at the 30-40,000-foot altitudes where jets fly, but spawn cirrus clouds by seeding the upper atmosphere with ice crystals from the water vapor in jet exhaust. On a clear day, you can often see this happening near heavily traveled airways.

"It is almost certain that on many occasions - 30 to 40 days a year, say - the cause of cirrus cloud cover can take in a substantial part of a continent, perhaps half of the U.S., and has a substantial influence on our radiation budget"

- Popular Science, May 1969, Page 76

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So if contrails did this 43 years ago, and back then they were doing it for 30 to 40 days of the year, then why do some people insist that this is something new? Why the mantra of "contrails fade away, chemtrails persist and spread"? Clearly contrails quite frequently persist and spread, at least according to the science of 43 years ago.

So consider your options here, what could be going on?

A) The Popular Science Article is a modern fake. Clearly not true, Popular Science was a magazine with a very high circulation, and there are thousands of copies of this issue still in existence, all of which are the same. This particular copy I bought on eBay for $3. Many people have collections that include this copy. It's impossible for it to be a modern fake unless that includes having a time machine.

B) The Popular Science Article is 1969 Propaganda, brainwashing people for the chemtrails to come. If this were true it would be quite breathtakingly ambitious, risky, and entirely nonsensical. Why would they put an article in a magazine about something that they were not planning to do for 30 years? Why would they put descriptions of things that anyone with eyes could see were not happening at the time? They expect nobody to notice this blatant lie for 30 years?

C) The Popular Science Article is true. Contrails do quite often persist and spread and turn into cirrus clouds and affect the weather. The claims of movies like "What In The World Are They Spraying" are lies.

So what do you think, chemtrail believers? One of the above? Something else? Clearly someone is lying to you. Is it me? Is it Popular Science from 43 years ago? Or is it Michael J. Murphy?

~~Skippy Guardian~~

After much research on this subject I came to the conclusion that chemtrails are persistent contrails that have been made more persistent by tweaking the fuel mixture.

**The Evil AC** I am not a number!!! User ID: 666 09-02-2012 04:39 PM

Have you lost your mind? It was obviously planted by the same time travelers that put Barrack Obama's Birth Certificate in Hawaii and called the newspapers to have the announcement recorded.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 108852 09-02-2012 04:42 PM

Early stages of the research.
Chemtrailling did not "begin" in 1998, nor did contrailling first get observed in 69.

The Vapor is used to piggy back.

H20/ice looks and acts like H2O and ice crystals.

Chemtrails do not act or look like H20/ice.

They have way more in common with SMOKE...especially smoke that gets all MINGLY with H2O/ice crystals.

Your wool has thin fiber and a very loose weave.

cheers.

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 09-02-2012 04:42 PM

They won't/can't/are incapable of explaining/debating anything and will merely spam your thread with bullshit youtube video's.

Over and over.

**LessObvious**

The Librarian Wrote:

After much research on this subject I came to the conclusion that chemtrails are persistent contrails that have been made more persistent by tweaking the fuel mixture.

Links, pics?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 84366 09-02-2012 04:53 PM

I don't know if anyone has ever speculated this here before but, what if it's both. What if the trails we see up there are both contrails and chemtrails. With the evidence I've seen supporting both sides of the argument I'm left to think that it's both.

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~

LoP Guest Wrote:

I don't know if anyone has ever speculated this here before but, what if it's both. What if the trails we see up there are both contrails and chemtrails. With the evidence I've seen supporting both sides of the argument I'm left to think that it's both.

Thats plausible and its much more sound than saying that there is a worldwide mass poisoning.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 108852 09-02-2012 04:56 PM

explain this

"
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Global-W...is-warming

The data show that global average cloud height declined by roughly one percent over the decade, decreasing by around 100 to 130 feet. This was mostly the result of fewer clouds forming at the highest altitudes, according to a NASA release. Scientists are not sure why this happened, (because they are lying)but it might be due to a change in atmospheric circulation patterns at high altitudes, Davies said. But they do know what it could mean: A drop in cloud height would allow more heat to escape the Earth into space, reducing the overall temperature of the planet.

"Post #1 New articles for July, August
Post #2 Archive articles for May & June

Global Warming Checklist & Previous thead:-
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Global-W...s-Post-146

Latest Updates: United Kingdom is warming in line with global trends
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2012/08/...bal-trends

Thawing permafrost frees millions of tons of carbon: study
http://www.france24.com/en/20120829-thaw...de_5349774

Arctic sea ice shrinks to lowest extent ever recorded
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...CMP=twt_fd

Greenland sets new summertime melt record
http://current.com/technology/93876993_g...record.htm

JULY
Heat Wave Sets More All-Time Temperature Records
http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/heat...e-records/

Rise in sea level can't be stopped: scientists
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/01...EG20120701

Greenland Ice Sheet Melt Nearing Critical ‘Tipping Point’
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/07...ing-point/

Record warmest January-June for Lower 48 States:
http://www.weather.com/news/noaa-hottest...e-20120709

Last 12 months hottest ever in U.S. recorded history
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/09/us/ext...index.html

Texas drought, British heat linked to climate change
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/10...9Z20120710

Persian Gulf temperature rises by 2 degrees in 7 years
http://www.payvand.com/news/12/jul/1076.html

Record Amount of Arctic Sea Ice Melted in June
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/recor...-in-june//

5-mile-long landslide in Alaska national park
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...lprit?lite

Death Valley records a low of 107°F (41.7°C): a world record
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMas...rynum=2153

Northern Hemisphere warmest on record
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capi..._blog.html

Bacteria outbreak in Northern Europe due to ocean warming
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48278511/ns/...AxxQqDNnlY

NASA satellites see unprecedented Greenland ice sheet surface melt
http://www.bnonews.com/inbox/?id=978&utm...um=twitter

Record warmth at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMas...rynum=2156

US: July on pace to be hottest month on record
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/sto...f5283833=1

Chronic 2000-2004 drought, worst in 800 years, may be the 'new normal'
http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-chronic-d...years.html

Lake Michigan records its all-time warmest temperature
http://www.examiner.com/article/lake-mic...or-chicago
"

What a circus!

":lmao: Lmao

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~

LoP Guest Wrote:

explain this

"
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Global-W...is-warming

The data show that global average cloud height declined by roughly one percent over the decade, decreasing by around 100 to 130 feet. This was mostly the result of fewer clouds forming at the highest altitudes, according to a NASA release. Scientists are not sure why this happened, (because they are lying)but it might be due to a change in atmospheric circulation patterns at high altitudes, Davies said. But they do know what it could mean: A drop in cloud height would allow more heat to escape the Earth into space, reducing the overall temperature of the planet.

"Post #1 New articles for July, August
Post #2 Archive articles for May & June

Global Warming Checklist & Previous thead:-
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Global-W...s-Post-146

Latest Updates: United Kingdom is warming in line with global trends
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2012/08/...bal-trends

Thawing permafrost frees millions of tons of carbon: study
http://www.france24.com/en/20120829-thaw...de_5349774

Arctic sea ice shrinks to lowest extent ever recorded
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...CMP=twt_fd

Greenland sets new summertime melt record
http://current.com/technology/93876993_g...record.htm

JULY
Heat Wave Sets More All-Time Temperature Records
http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/heat...e-records/

Rise in sea level can't be stopped: scientists
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/01...EG20120701

Greenland Ice Sheet Melt Nearing Critical ‘Tipping Point’
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/07...ing-point/

Record warmest January-June for Lower 48 States:
http://www.weather.com/news/noaa-hottest...e-20120709

Last 12 months hottest ever in U.S. recorded history
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/09/us/ext...index.html

Texas drought, British heat linked to climate change
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/10...9Z20120710

Persian Gulf temperature rises by 2 degrees in 7 years
http://www.payvand.com/news/12/jul/1076.html

Record Amount of Arctic Sea Ice Melted in June
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/recor...-in-june//

5-mile-long landslide in Alaska national park
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...lprit?lite

Death Valley records a low of 107°F (41.7°C): a world record
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMas...rynum=2153

Northern Hemisphere warmest on record
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capi..._blog.html

Bacteria outbreak in Northern Europe due to ocean warming
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48278511/ns/...AxxQqDNnlY

NASA satellites see unprecedented Greenland ice sheet surface melt
http://www.bnonews.com/inbox/?id=978&utm...um=twitter

Record warmth at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMas...rynum=2156

US: July on pace to be hottest month on record
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/sto...f5283833=1

Chronic 2000-2004 drought, worst in 800 years, may be the 'new normal'
http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-chronic-d...years.html

Lake Michigan records its all-time warmest temperature
http://www.examiner.com/article/lake-mic...or-chicago
"

What a circus!

":lmao:

wow those smileys just proved there is a worldwide mass poisoning conspiracy.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 108852 09-02-2012 05:02 PM

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
explain this

"
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Global-W...is-warming

The data show that global average cloud height declined by roughly one percent over the decade, decreasing by around 100 to 130 feet. This was mostly the result of fewer clouds forming at the highest altitudes, according to a NASA release. Scientists are not sure why this happened, (because they are lying)but it might be due to a change in atmospheric circulation patterns at high altitudes, Davies said. But they do know what it could mean: A drop in cloud height would allow more heat to escape the Earth into space, reducing the overall temperature of the planet.

"Post #1 New articles for July, August
Post #2 Archive articles for May & June

Global Warming Checklist & Previous thead:-
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Global-W...s-Post-146

Latest Updates: United Kingdom is warming in line with global trends
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2012/08/...bal-trends

Thawing permafrost frees millions of tons of carbon: study
http://www.france24.com/en/20120829-thaw...de_5349774

Arctic sea ice shrinks to lowest extent ever recorded
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...CMP=twt_fd

Greenland sets new summertime melt record
http://current.com/technology/93876993_g...record.htm

JULY
Heat Wave Sets More All-Time Temperature Records
http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/heat...e-records/

Rise in sea level can't be stopped: scientists
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/01...EG20120701

Greenland Ice Sheet Melt Nearing Critical ‘Tipping Point’
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/07...ing-point/

Record warmest January-June for Lower 48 States:
http://www.weather.com/news/noaa-hottest...e-20120709

Last 12 months hottest ever in U.S. recorded history
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/09/us/ext...index.html

Texas drought, British heat linked to climate change
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/10...9Z20120710

Persian Gulf temperature rises by 2 degrees in 7 years
http://www.payvand.com/news/12/jul/1076.html

Record Amount of Arctic Sea Ice Melted in June
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/recor...-in-june//

5-mile-long landslide in Alaska national park
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...lprit?lite

Death Valley records a low of 107°F (41.7°C): a world record
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMas...rynum=2153

Northern Hemisphere warmest on record
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capi..._blog.html

Bacteria outbreak in Northern Europe due to ocean warming
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48278511/ns/...AxxQqDNnlY

NASA satellites see unprecedented Greenland ice sheet surface melt
http://www.bnonews.com/inbox/?id=978&utm...um=twitter

Record warmth at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMas...rynum=2156

US: July on pace to be hottest month on record
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/sto...f5283833=1

Chronic 2000-2004 drought, worst in 800 years, may be the 'new normal'
http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-chronic-d...years.html

Lake Michigan records its all-time warmest temperature
http://www.examiner.com/article/lake-mic...or-chicago
"

What a circus!

":lmao:

wow those smileys just proved there is a worldwide mass poisoning conspiracy.

You are a loser.
You are perfect as a WWF fan.
Duped, gullible, and phony.
You and your kind cant touch me.
Lmao

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 108852 09-02-2012 05:05 PM

tear it up....<tosses in this joke of information>

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
The data show that global average cloud height declined by roughly one percent over the decade, decreasing by around 100 to 130 feet. This was mostly the result of fewer clouds forming at the highest altitudes, according to a NASA release. Scientists are not sure why this happened, (because they are lying)but it might be due to a change in atmospheric circulation patterns at high altitudes, Davies said. But they do know what it could mean: A drop in cloud height would allow more heat to escape the Earth into space, reducing the overall temperature of the planet.

"Post #1 New articles for July, August
Post #2 Archive articles for May & June

Global Warming Checklist & Previous thead:-
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Global-W...s-Post-146

Latest Updates: United Kingdom is warming in line with global trends
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2012/08/...bal-trends

Thawing permafrost frees millions of tons of carbon: study
http://www.france24.com/en/20120829-thaw...de_5349774

Arctic sea ice shrinks to lowest extent ever recorded
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...CMP=twt_fd

Greenland sets new summertime melt record
http://current.com/technology/93876993_g...record.htm

JULY
Heat Wave Sets More All-Time Temperature Records
http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/heat...e-records/

Rise in sea level can't be stopped: scientists
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/01...EG20120701

Greenland Ice Sheet Melt Nearing Critical ‘Tipping Point’
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/07...ing-point/

Record warmest January-June for Lower 48 States:
http://www.weather.com/news/noaa-hottest...e-20120709

Last 12 months hottest ever in U.S. recorded history
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/09/us/ext...index.html

Texas drought, British heat linked to climate change
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/10...9Z20120710

Persian Gulf temperature rises by 2 degrees in 7 years
http://www.payvand.com/news/12/jul/1076.html

Record Amount of Arctic Sea Ice Melted in June
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/recor...-in-june//

5-mile-long landslide in Alaska national park
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...lprit?lite

Death Valley records a low of 107°F (41.7°C): a world record
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMas...rynum=2153

Northern Hemisphere warmest on record
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capi..._blog.html

Bacteria outbreak in Northern Europe due to ocean warming
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48278511/ns/...AxxQqDNnlY

NASA satellites see unprecedented Greenland ice sheet surface melt
http://www.bnonews.com/inbox/?id=978&utm...um=twitter

Record warmth at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMas...rynum=2156

US: July on pace to be hottest month on record
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/sto...f5283833=1

Chronic 2000-2004 drought, worst in 800 years, may be the 'new normal'
http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-chronic-d...years.html

Lake Michigan records its all-time warmest temperature
http://www.examiner.com/article/lake-mic...or-chicago
"

What a circus!

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Intervie...med?page=5

**Skippy**

LessObvious Wrote:

The Librarian Wrote:
After much research on this subject I came to the conclusion that chemtrails are persistent contrails that have been made more persistent by tweaking the fuel mixture.

Links, pics?

Here ya go, see what you think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6X5QZDQ6mw

More here:

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-What-Rea...Chemtrails

**RickRollD**

All those links just proved that it has nothing to do with "chemtrails"

Guest is a moron.
Bump

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~

LoP Guest Wrote:

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
explain this

"
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Global-W...is-warming

The data show that global average cloud height declined by roughly one percent over the decade, decreasing by around 100 to 130 feet. This was mostly the result of fewer clouds forming at the highest altitudes, according to a NASA release. Scientists are not sure why this happened, (because they are lying)but it might be due to a change in atmospheric circulation patterns at high altitudes, Davies said. But they do know what it could mean: A drop in cloud height would allow more heat to escape the Earth into space, reducing the overall temperature of the planet.

"Post #1 New articles for July, August
Post #2 Archive articles for May & June

Global Warming Checklist & Previous thead:-
http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Global-W...s-Post-146

Latest Updates: United Kingdom is warming in line with global trends
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2012/08/...bal-trends

Thawing permafrost frees millions of tons of carbon: study
http://www.france24.com/en/20120829-thaw...de_5349774

Arctic sea ice shrinks to lowest extent ever recorded
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/20...CMP=twt_fd

Greenland sets new summertime melt record
http://current.com/technology/93876993_g...record.htm

JULY
Heat Wave Sets More All-Time Temperature Records
http://www.climatecentral.org/blogs/heat...e-records/

Rise in sea level can't be stopped: scientists
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/01...EG20120701

Greenland Ice Sheet Melt Nearing Critical ‘Tipping Point’
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/07...ing-point/

Record warmest January-June for Lower 48 States:
http://www.weather.com/news/noaa-hottest...e-20120709

Last 12 months hottest ever in U.S. recorded history
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/09/us/ext...index.html

Texas drought, British heat linked to climate change
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/10...9Z20120710

Persian Gulf temperature rises by 2 degrees in 7 years
http://www.payvand.com/news/12/jul/1076.html

Record Amount of Arctic Sea Ice Melted in June
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/recor...-in-june//

5-mile-long landslide in Alaska national park
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/0...lprit?lite

Death Valley records a low of 107°F (41.7°C): a world record
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMas...rynum=2153

Northern Hemisphere warmest on record
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capi..._blog.html

Bacteria outbreak in Northern Europe due to ocean warming
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48278511/ns/...AxxQqDNnlY

NASA satellites see unprecedented Greenland ice sheet surface melt
http://www.bnonews.com/inbox/?id=978&utm...um=twitter

Record warmth at the top of the Greenland Ice Sheet
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMas...rynum=2156

US: July on pace to be hottest month on record
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/sto...f5283833=1

Chronic 2000-2004 drought, worst in 800 years, may be the 'new normal'
http://m.phys.org/news/2012-07-chronic-d...years.html

Lake Michigan records its all-time warmest temperature
http://www.examiner.com/article/lake-mic...or-chicago
"

What a circus!

":lmao:

wow those smileys just proved there is a worldwide mass poisoning conspiracy.

You are a loser.
You are perfect as a WWF fan.
Duped, gullible, and phony.
You and your kind cant touch me.

I know why you call me a loser do you? I will tell you its because you have no argument if you did you would use it. When had ad-hom attacks start flying the debate is over. The relevant question in this debate is not about who makes the argument, but whether the argument is valid. Spin that.