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**Devout Agnostic** · (This post was last modified: 08-07-2012 11:12 PM by Devout Agnostic.)

I don't claim to be an expert, and in fact I think its better not to be one in this particular area of study, since if there is, indeed, any dynamic, meaningful memetic system here worth studying, then we are living inside of it everyday, and everything you need to understand it is right in front of your face.

My theory is as follows: Symbols fall into two categories, which intermix both esoterically and exoterically to some degree in almost all easily identifiable symbols.

The first, most common, and less powerful of the two categories could be called associational or conditioned symbols. These are symbols which derive their meanings from conscious attribution with some concept. They must be taught, and through consensus, make communication of both mundane and complex ideas easier.

Unconditioned symbols, on the other hand, work by taking advantage of the natural programming of the human mind. Since we exist in a 3-Dimensional space, our unconscious and preconscious minds are constantly working out the geometry of depth, figures, and movement, and in our natural state this was vital in order to assess threats and other subjects of interest to our survival. The more important the geometry is to our survival, the more it can be used to manipulate us on an unconscious level.

These move from simple to sophisticated:
-The 6 pointed star combines male and female imagery and was the height of sophistication for fertility religions
-The 5 pointed star combines both human figure and facial geometry with a mere inversion. This is used as a symbol for authority.
-The Cross accomplishes the same effect as the 5-pointed star, but eliminates the need for inversion.

Tell me what you think. Questions or input are welcome.

Sky God/Earth Goddess with corresponding instincts:

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**Devout Agnostic** · (This post was last modified: 08-07-2012 11:12 PM by Devout Agnostic.)

5-pointed star upright (GOOD)
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5-pointed star inverted (EVIL)
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**Devout Agnostic** · (This post was last modified: 08-07-2012 11:12 PM by Devout Agnostic.)

Cross Exoteric
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Cross Esoteric
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**Hamsterfist**

Interesting post.

**Devout Agnostic**

Hamsterfist Wrote:

Interesting post.

Thanks for the Bump

**Full Circle**

The cross is FAR older that Christianity. Maybe this site will interest you:

http://levigilant.com/Bulfinch_Mythology...redMu.html

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**sia**

john the baptist arrived from greece yesterday

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**Devout Agnostic** · (This post was last modified: 08-07-2012 11:52 PM by Devout Agnostic.)

Full Circle Wrote:

The cross is FAR older that Christianity. Maybe this site will interest you:

http://levigilant.com/Bulfinch_Mythology...redMu.html

Yes, but those are solar crosses. The difference is the long tail giving it the proportions of the golden ratio and thereby plugging it into a far more immediate and potent part of the human psyche.

**RegisteredLOPGuest**

maybe you've already read jung but if not what he said about archetypes might interest you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes

**Devout Agnostic**

RegisteredLOPGuest Wrote:

maybe you've already read jung but if not what he said about archetypes might interest you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes

Its definitely an inspiration for the idea that im trying to express here, but I havent read it all. In terms geometric symbols he seemed more interested in mandalas, and i never got into that part of jungian theory. Do you know of anything he wrote that was similar to this idea of instinctual geometry?

**daisy** lop guest User ID: 48475 08-08-2012 12:41 AM

**Devout Agnostic**

Check this out. I'm not sure what it means, but I get chills everytime I think about it.

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**GreenAQ** · **GreenAQ** Livin' a dream User ID: 113375 08-08-2012 05:00 AM **Posts: 8,991**

**Devout Agnostic**

Following up on the crosses and crescents and shades of war, this is one of my favorites. The USSR was a new atheistic order imposed on both christian and muslim areas of Eurasia.

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**absurdious** · **absurdious** INFP User ID: 27152 08-08-2012 07:13 AM **Posts: 15,721**

Symbol literacy opens up a whole new world...