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**chris999**

I dont like Obama care either, most people dont.

But it is better than the GOP telling us that we dont deserve healthcare because Washington spent all of our money on wars.

It is Washington's fault, not ours. They are just going to have to cut back on the tax breaks for Exxon and weapond manufacturers and the Pentagon budget, and find a way to make it work.

A promise was made AND paid for, and they are not holding up their end of the bargain. It isnt our fault, it is theirs.

**Brunhilda** · (This post was last modified: 09-25-2012 07:43 PM by Brunhilda.)

Insurance is an unnecessary middle man, that only results in higher health care costs, it is just gambling on who is going to get sick. Insurance companies are not in the business of providing health care they are in the business of denying health care. The only way they make money is by holding down cost of claims and the only way to do that is to deny health care.

If you removed insurance from the equation your doctor would be able to cut his cost in half and thus charge less. Much time is wasted on filling out insurance forms and performng uneccessary procedures dictated by the insurance companies.

I find it amazing people will scream about having government involved in their health care decision but not a peep about how the insurance industry controls the medical industry. It is sick to have a corporation decide what care is cost effective.

**chris999**

Brunhilda Wrote:

Insurance is an unnecessary middle man, that only results in higher health care costs, it is just gambling on who is going to get sick. Insurance companies are not in the business of providing health care they are in the business of denying health care. The only way they make money is by holding down cost of claims and the only way to do that is to deny health care.

If you removed insurance from the equation your doctor would be able to cut his cost in half and thus charge less. Much time is wasted on filling out insurance forms and performng uneccessary procedures dictated by the insurance companies.

I find it amazing people will scream about having government involved in their health care decision but not a peep about how the insurance industry controls the medical industry.

I agree. Obamacare is bad. It is his worst mistake. That is no reason for the Republicans to come out and say that it is our fault the we are dependent on 'entitlements' though.

I am actually for 100% socialized healthcare. Yes, taxes will go up some, but the hidden benefits are that employers wont have to deal with providing health insurance for their workers anymore. It will also reove the middle man (insurance) from the equation.

**Bob**

who do you think wrote Obamacare? Insurance companies did.

**chris999**

Malpractice Wrote:

who do you think wrote Obamacare? Insurance companies did.

Is that the same plan they wrote for Mitt Romney?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58515 09-26-2012 07:06 PM

Brunhilda Wrote:

Insurance is an unnecessary middle man, that only results in higher health care costs, it is just gambling on who is going to get sick. Insurance companies are not in the business of providing health care they are in the business of denying health care. The only way they make money is by holding down cost of claims and the only way to do that is to deny health care.

If you removed insurance from the equation your doctor would be able to cut his cost in half and thus charge less. Much time is wasted on filling out insurance forms and performng uneccessary procedures dictated by the insurance companies.

I find it amazing people will scream about having government involved in their health care decision but not a peep about how the insurance industry controls the medical industry. It is sick to have a corporation decide what care is cost effective.

Worse than insurance involvement in healthcare decisions is Big Pharma decisions in healthcare.
Big Pharma is the most lucrative field of business in America.
Think about that folks.
We are now rationing care to seniors and the disabled so that we can give hundreds of billions of dollars to Big Pharma.
The Pubs have been a great friend to Big Pharma but no greater than Obamacare.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58515 09-26-2012 07:19 PM

Brunhilda Wrote:

Insurance is an unnecessary middle man, that only results in higher health care costs, it is just gambling on who is going to get sick. Insurance companies are not in the business of providing health care they are in the business of denying health care. The only way they make money is by holding down cost of claims and the only way to do that is to deny health care.

If you removed insurance from the equation your doctor would be able to cut his cost in half and thus charge less. Much time is wasted on filling out insurance forms and performng uneccessary procedures dictated by the insurance companies.

I find it amazing people will scream about having government involved in their health care decision but not a peep about how the insurance industry controls the medical industry. It is sick to have a corporation decide what care is cost effective.

I am for some sort of Socialized Medicine System but I am NOT for Obamacare.
Obamacare is grossly over expensive.
Obamacare's cares cuts are in provider compensation and through rationing of care.
Obamacare is the greatest power grab in the history of our nation.
Obamacare hugely rewarded the nastiest players in healthcare..... Insurance and Big Pharma.
There are many many executives and researchers in Big Pharma that should be prosecuted and sent to prison..... SOME should be tried for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!
Insurance companies are nearly as bad.

Obamacare completely screws the folks while rewarding big biz.... the exact thing the Dims accuse the Pubs of doing.
I fully recognize that rationing of care to the folks is the Ghost of Christmas Future, but couldn't we have put some clamps on the richest of the rich just a little?
And sent a few of the perps to prison?