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Abraham Came Out of India not Sumer?
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In his History of the Jews, the Jewish scholar and theologian Flavius Josephus (37 - 100 A.D.), wrote that the Greek philosopher Aristotle had said: "...These Jews are derived from the Indian philosophers; they are named by the Indians Calani." (Book I:22.)

Clearchus of Soli wrote, "The Jews descend from the philosophers of India. The philosophers are called in India Calanians and in Syria Jews. The name of their capital is very difficult to pronounce. It is called 'Jerusalem.'"

"Megasthenes, who was sent to India by Seleucus Nicator, about three hundred years before Christ, and whose accounts from new inquiries are every day acquiring additional credit, says that the Jews 'were an Indian tribe or sect called Kalani...'" (Anacalypsis, by Godfrey Higgins, Vol. I; p. 400.)

Martin Haug, Ph.D., wrote in The Sacred Language, Writings, and Religions of the Parsis, "The Magi are said to have called their religion Kesh-î-Ibrahim.They traced their religious books to Abraham, who was believed to have brought them from heaven." (p. 16.)

There are certain striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his consort Saraisvati, and the Jewish Abraham and Sarai, that are more than mere coincidences. Although in all of India there is only one temple dedicated to Brahma, this cult is the third largest Hindu sect. In Hindu mythology, Sarai-Svati is Brahm's sister.


The bible gives two stories of Abraham. In this first version, Abraham told Pharaoh that he was lying when he introduced Sarai as his sister. In the second version, he also told the king of Gerar that Sarai was really his sister.

However, when the king scolded him for lying, Abraham said that Sarai was in reality both his wife and his sister! "...and yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife." (Genesis 20:12.)

But the anomalies don't end here. In India, a tributary of the river Saraisvati is Ghaggar. Another tributary of the same river is Hakra. According to Jewish traditions, Hagar was Sarai's maidservant; the Moslems say she was an Egyptian princess. Notice the similarities of Ghaggar, Hakra and Hagar.

The bible also states that Ishmael, son of Hagar, and his descendants lived in India. "...Ishmael breathed his last and died, and was gathered to his kin... They dwelt from Havilah (India), by Shur, which is close to Egypt, all the way to Asshur." (Genesis 25:17-18.)

It is an interesting fact that the names of Isaac and Ishmael are derive from Sanskrit: (Hebrew) Ishaak = (Sanskrit) Ishakhu = "Friend of Shiva." (Hebrew) Ishmael = (Sanskrit) Ish-Mahal = "Great Shiva."

A third mini-version of the Abraham story turns him into another "Noah." We know that a flood drove Abraham out of India. "...Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, your fathers dwelt on the other side of the flood in old time, Even Terah, the father of Abraham, and the father of Nachor; and they served other gods. And I took your father Abraham from the other side of the flood, and led him throughout all the land of Canaan." (Joshua 24:2-3.)

Genesis 25 mentions some descendants of his concubine Ketura (Note: The Moslems claim that Ketura is another name of Hagar.): Jokshan; Sheba; Dedan; Epher. Some descendants of Noah were Joktan, Sheba, Dedan, and Ophir. These varying versions have caused me to suspect that the writers of the bible were trying to unite several different branches of Judaism.

About 1900 BC, the cult of Brahm was carried to the Middle and Near East by several different Indian groups after a severe rainfall and earthquake tore Northern India apart, even changing the courses of the Indus and Saraisvati rivers.

The classical geographer Strabo tells us just how nearly complete the abandonment of Northwestern India was. "Aristobolus says that when he was sent upon a certain mission in India, he saw a country of more than a thousand cities, together with villages, that had been deserted because the Indus had abandoned its proper bed." (Strabo's Geography, XV.I.19.)

"The drying up of the Sarasvati around 1900 BCE, which led to a major relocation of the population centered around in the Sindhu and the Sarasvati valleys, could have been the event that caused a migration westward from India. It is soon after this time that the Indic element begins to appear all over West Asia, Egypt, and Greece." (Indic Ideas in the Graeco-Roman World, by Subhash Kak, taken from IndiaStar online literary magazine; p.14)

The exodus of refugees out of ancient India did not occur all at once but over a period of one or more thousand years. If all these refugee ruling peoples were exclusively of Indian heritage, why doesn't History mention them? Indeed they are mentioned as Kassites, Hittites, Syrians, Assyrians, Hurrians, Arameans, Hyksos, Mittanians, Amalekites, Aethiops (Atha-Yop), Phoenicians, Chaldeans, and many others.

But we have been wrongly taught to regard them as ethnicities indigenous to Western Asia. Our history books also call them "Indo-Europeans," causing us to wonder where they were really from. "The people of India came to realize their social identity in terms of Varna and Jati (societal functions or caste); not in terms of races and tribes." (Foundations of Indian Culture; p. 8.)

Another problem that western scholars have in identifying the Indo-Europeans as Indians is that India was not then and never was a nation. Furthermore, it is not "India." It is Bharata, and even Bharata is not a nation. Bharata is a collection of nations, just as Europe is a collection of nations, presently held together by the real or perceived threat of Moslem expansionism. Indian scholars have told me that when and if this expansionism ever disappears, the "Bharata Union" will again splinter into many smaller nations.

"The Arabian historians contend that Brahma and Abraham, their ancestor, are the same person. The Persians generally called Abraham Ibrahim Zeradust. Cyrus considered the religion of the Jews the same as his own. The Hindoos must have come from Abraham, or the Israelites from Brahma..." (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 396.)

Melchizadek... the sage of Salem

If what I have said thus far isn't convincing enough, maybe the word "Melchizedek" will be. Melchizedek was a king of Jerusalem who possessed secret mystical and magical powers. He was also Abraham's teacher.

Melik-Sadaksina was a great Indian prince, magician, and spiritual giant - the son of a Kassite king. In Kashmiri and Sanskrit, Sadak = "a person with magical, supernatural powers." A certain Zadok (Sadak?) was also a supernaturally-endowed priest who annointed Solomon. Why does the Kassite (of royal caste) Melik-Sadaksina, a mythical Indian personage, suddenly appear in Jerusalem as the friend and mentor of Abraham?

According to Akshoy Kumar Mazumdar in The Hindu History, Brahm was the spiritual leader of the Aryans. As an Aryan (Not of Yah), he naturally believed in idols. The bible says that he even manufactured them. Upon seeing how increasing idol worship and religious guesswork were contributing to the further downfall of his people, Brahm backed away from Aryanism and re-embraced the ancient Indian (Yah) philosophy (Cult of the MaterialUniverse) even though it, too, was foundering in man made evils. He decided that mankind could save himself only by dealing with what was real; not the imagined....

In his book Moisés y los Extraterrestres, Mexican author Tomás Doreste states,

Voltaire was of the opinion that Abraham descended from some of the numerous Brahman priests who left India to spread their teachings throughout the world; and in support of his thesis he presented the following elements: the similarity of names and the fact that the city of Ur, land of the patriarchs, was near the border of Persia, the road to India, where that Brahman had been born.

The name of Brahma was highly respected in India, and his influence spread throughout Persia as far as the lands bathed by the rivers Euphrates and Tigris. The Persians adopted Brahma and made him their own. Later they would say that the God arrived from Bactria, a mountainous region situated midway on the road to India. (pp. 46-47.)

Bactria (a region of ancient Afghanistan) was the locality of a prototypical Jewish nation called Juhuda or Jaguda, also called Ur-Jaguda. Ur meant "place or town." Therefore, the bible was correct in stating that Abraham came from "Ur of the Chaldeans." "Chaldean," more correctly Kaul-Deva (Holy Kauls), was not the name of a specific ethnicity but the title of an ancient Hindu Brahmanical priestly caste who lived in what are now Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Indian state of Kashmir.

"The tribe of Ioud or the Brahmin Abraham, was expelled from or left the Maturea of the kingdom of Oude in India and, settling in Goshen, or the house of the Sun or Heliopolis in Egypt, gave it the name of the place which they had left in India, Maturea." (Anacalypsis; Vol. I, p. 405.)

"He was of the religion or sect of Persia, and of Melchizedek."(Vol. I, p. 364.)

"The Persians also claim Ibrahim, i.e. Abraham, for their founder, as well as the Jews. Thus we see that according to all ancient history the Persians, the Jews, and the Arabians are descendants of Abraham.(p.85) ...

We are told that Terah, the father of Abraham, originally came from an Eastern country called Ur, of the Chaldees or Culdees, to dwell in a district called Mesopotamia. Some time after he had dwelt there, Abraham, or Abram, or Brahma, and his wife Sara or Sarai, or Sara-iswati, left their father's family and came into Canaan. The identity of Abraham and Sara with Brahma and Saraiswati was first pointed out by the Jesuit missionaries."(Vol. I; p. 387.)

http://www.hermetics.org/Abraham2.html

and so on and so on....

Does this tie into the Christos?

"This, in our day, is the Christian religion, not as having been unknown in former times, but as having recently received that name."

- St Augustine
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Most excellent! You the man Sia! Cheer I made a crypto-naga thread on a whim making a play on the ever present it's a joo thread and it kinda went in some pretty cool directions. You might enjoy it if you haven't seen it. The last few pages get meaty. Cheer

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-It-s-The-Crypto-Nagas

I'll try to add something here in a bit. Jhikpghf

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I posted that article here about 9 months ago. I began to read his work more earnestly recently. The last time I read that article was yesterday. Good post. One point Gene seems to make in other writings is the ancient Hindus practiced Christianity, except it wasn't called the same. He claims there are parallels in events, the same way there were in the creation and flood stories.
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Everyone came from the olive tree!
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Ahriman  Wrote: (12-20-2012 01:09 AM)
Most excellent! You the man Sia! Cheer I made a crypto-naga thread on a whim making a play on the ever present it's a joo thread and it kinda went in some pretty cool directions. You might enjoy it if you haven't seen it. The last few pages get meaty. Cheer

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-It-s-The-Crypto-Nagas

I'll try to add something here in a bit. Jhikpghf

I was debating whether to start a thread on how the daevas of the ancient vedic sutras morphed into the fallen angels of judeo-christian lore but it seemed too much effort (*lazy*). But the parallels are obvious to anyone with half a brain. Might also make sense of the comfort at which the Jewish Persians have with their identity....

checking out the Naggas thread now.

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SecretGeek  Wrote: (12-20-2012 01:12 AM)
I posted that article here about 9 months ago. I began to read his work more earnestly recently. The last time I read that article was yesterday. Good post. One point Gene seems to make in other writings is the ancient Hindus practiced Christianity, except it wasn't called the same. He claims there are parallels in events, the same way there were in the creation and flood stories.

baptism?

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the thing about baptism is that it is no where mentioned in the old testament...

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john the baptizer?

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sia  Wrote: (12-20-2012 01:17 AM)
Ahriman  Wrote: (12-20-2012 01:09 AM)
Most excellent! You the man Sia! Cheer I made a crypto-naga thread on a whim making a play on the ever present it's a joo thread and it kinda went in some pretty cool directions. You might enjoy it if you haven't seen it. The last few pages get meaty. Cheer

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-It-s-The-Crypto-Nagas

I'll try to add something here in a bit. Jhikpghf

I was debating whether to start a thread on how the daevas of the ancient vedic sutras morphed into the fallen angels of judeo-christian lore but it seemed too much effort (*lazy*). But the parallels are obvious to anyone with half a brain. Might also make sense of the comfort at which the Jewish Persians have with their identity....

checking out the Naggas thread now.

You hit that square on the head though. I'll post one little tid bit from that thread here. It's part of Angkor Wat. This naga serpent cult was far reaching. Reminds me of the book of Revelation. Imo the 10 horns of the seven heads would be keeping us in the lower regions under the 10 petaled solar plexus chakra. In Sodom & Gommorah the 2 bottom chakras. Casting their spell. Hiding what is just basic science behind myth. Jhikpghf

Ahriman  Wrote: (12-18-2012 07:11 AM)
A seven-headed serpent or “naga” forms a stone balustrade beside a walkway leading into a building at Angkor Wat.

The naga, literally “serpent” in Sanskrit, represents power, water, and fertility in many Hindu texts. Khmer adopted the Hindu Indian myths and elaborated on them extensively in their own stories, rituals, and art. Using the naga body as a stone balustrade is called a Khmer invention although stone dragon balustrades also are seen in Chinese architecture.

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Sia...I am studying the situation from a weird perspective, but good point on baptism. I am even including dinosaurs and man together at the same time and a massive underground cave system throughout the planet. I believe there is a good possibility the Aryans (Turks or Phoenicians, etc.) and the Hindus (Hebrews) were both Semitic (closely related) and ruled the world because of their seafaring technology and ability to access resources.
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I present to you "Da tree of life" oh yeah don't eat from the tree in the middle of the garden! You have been warned!

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Ahriman  Wrote: (12-20-2012 01:25 AM)
sia  Wrote: (12-20-2012 01:17 AM)
Ahriman  Wrote: (12-20-2012 01:09 AM)
Most excellent! You the man Sia! Cheer I made a crypto-naga thread on a whim making a play on the ever present it's a joo thread and it kinda went in some pretty cool directions. You might enjoy it if you haven't seen it. The last few pages get meaty. Cheer

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-It-s-The-Crypto-Nagas

I'll try to add something here in a bit. Jhikpghf

I was debating whether to start a thread on how the daevas of the ancient vedic sutras morphed into the fallen angels of judeo-christian lore but it seemed too much effort (*lazy*). But the parallels are obvious to anyone with half a brain. Might also make sense of the comfort at which the Jewish Persians have with their identity....

checking out the Naggas thread now.

You hit that square on the head though. I'll post one little tid bit from that thread here. It's part of Angkor Wat. This naga serpent cult was far reaching. Reminds me of the book of Revelation. Imo the 10 horns of the seven heads would be keeping us in the lower regions under the 10 petaled solar plexus chakra. In Sodom & Gommorah the 2 bottom chakras. Casting their spell. Hiding what is just basic science behind myth. Jhikpghf

Ahriman  Wrote: (12-18-2012 07:11 AM)
A seven-headed serpent or “naga” forms a stone balustrade beside a walkway leading into a building at Angkor Wat.

The naga, literally “serpent” in Sanskrit, represents power, water, and fertility in many Hindu texts. Khmer adopted the Hindu Indian myths and elaborated on them extensively in their own stories, rituals, and art. Using the naga body as a stone balustrade is called a Khmer invention although stone dragon balustrades also are seen in Chinese architecture.

[Image: 0C33_50CFFAC8.jpg]


http://www.learnnc.org/lp/multimedia/1897

seven horns equals seven deadly sins.


1 A proud look.
2 A lying tongue.
3 Hands that shed innocent blood.
4 A heart that devises wicked plots.
5 Feet that are swift to run into mischief.
6 A deceitful witness that uttereth lies.
7 Him that soweth discord among brethren.

Synchronicity, I have also been heavily studying the far east and seeing correlations.

And on the pedestal these words appear:

“My name is OZYMANDIAS, King of Kings.” Look on my works ye Mighty, and despair! No thing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that Colossal Wreck, boundless and bare, The lone and level sands stretch far away."


(Percy Bysshe Shelley, 1818)

Contacting the Devas...

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SecretGeek  Wrote: (12-20-2012 01:34 AM)
Sia...I am studying the situation from a weird perspective, but good point on baptism. I am even including dinosaurs and man together at the same time and a massive underground cave system throughout the planet. I believe there is a good possibility the Aryans (Turks or Phoenicians, etc.) and the Hindus (Hebrews) were both semetic (closely related) and ruled the world because of their seafaring technology and ability to access resources.

I'm starting to think the whole Semitic thing is 'made up' -- that goes for Arabs as well.

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Odd synchronicity. I woke up this morning thinking bout Abraham and how he came to be and thought I'd read up on it. And now this.

I woke up thinking about Abraham? That is odd. chuckle

Thanks.

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He came out of North America

Narmer Palette represents Biblical Abraham

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some ancient ancient civilations that once was but are now no more than rock formations.

india is very old. pre-sumer. and pre-india is the area of peru/bolivia/lake titikaka. maybe even pre-peru is morocco, where there are tall mountainous rocks that somehow resemble man-made (statues? faces?) that are eroded by time.
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99. He said: "I will go to my Lord! He will surely guide me

100. "O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!"

101. So We gave him the good news of a forbearing son.

102. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I have seen in a vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if Allah so wills, one of the steadfast!"

103. So when they had both submitted (to Allah), and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice)


104. We called out to him "O Abraham! ...

105. "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right.

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