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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 14880 08-06-2012 10:21 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

This boy king idiot has pushed through less executive orders than your former president.

So why keep calling him stuff like a wanna be dictator?

That being said.... you guys need a non military industrial complex guy, so you guys gonna spent less on the military, so you do not turn into a police state or worse. But Mitt is not that guy too. So.... how can you do it. I would also not count on the Tea Party to stop militarising your country and the world.

Fire them alll!!!!

**Currahee** · (This post was last modified: 08-06-2012 11:21 AM by Currahee.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
This boy king idiot has pushed through less executive orders than your former president.

So why keep calling him stuff like a wanna be dictator?

That being said.... you guys need a non military industrial complex guy, so you guys gonna spent less on the military, so you do not turn into a police state or worse. But Mitt is not that guy too. So.... how can you do it. I would also not count on the Tea Party to stop militarising your country and the world.

Fire them alll!!!!

Both great posts. People are hung up on the person and not the system by design I believe.

Easy enough to say fire them all, but as individuals in a country that does not even allow us a direct vote on our president ... it's likely the power to fire them was wrested from us a long time ago and we only believe that button is attached to the trap door anymore. Well at least most people believe it.

The entire job needs to be redefined from the ground up.

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Peace

**The Lucky AC** Everything in life is luck User ID: 888 08-06-2012 02:53 PM

Here's George W. Bush's EOs:
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/orders/
there were 291 of them.

Here's the entire list, ever in our history. Starting with only 2 issued during the entire 19th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Uni...ive_orders

I don't know why you people are so partisian, screaming about Obama. He's not been the worst about this.

http://1461days.blogspot.com/2011/01/wha...utive.html
"What Presidents have used Executive Orders
Posted by 1461 Days at 6:11 PM
In the begining of Obama's Presidency some bloggers attempted to state that President George W. Bush and many other former Presidents had rarely exercised the Executive Order privilege granted to the President of the United States by the Constitution.

This is incorrect.

All Presidents have used the Executive Order or a form of the Executive Order to command and operate the Federal Government. Some used the Executive Order to push through laws when the Senate and Congress failed to move forward on what the leader of the free world felt were urgent and necessary laws that needed to be enacted immediately."

G.W.B. issued 291 EOs.
Bill Clinton issued 363.
G.H.B. issued 165.
Reagan issued 380 EOs.
FDR issued 3,728 EOs.
Here's a link to the EOs issued by President Obama so far:
http://1461days.blogspot.com/2009/01/cur...bamas.html
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register...obama.html
It was at 124 as of July 20th.
He's not really that far out of line with other recent Presidents. Actually, he's a bit on the low side.

Here's the deal people. The real conspiracy is not contained within a single party. They use our party systen to divide and conquer us. Whatever their agenda is they push through any way.
They want lots of Mexican workers and voters. They are easy to control and cheap. Bush stopped enforcing laws against employers of illegal aliens. Obama is offering some of them amnesty.
That's one prong of the conspiracy against the American people.

Real I.D. was Bush's baby, as was the survellience state. Obama has only built on the foundation laid by Bush.
That's another prong for you.

Look at the financial system, the bail outs, and rules they put in place to crack our skulls for another prong. Look at the new health care law for more of that and where they are sending (creating) jobs for even more about the debt slavery they are ensnaring the American people into.

There's lots more but those would all be good places to start.

Theoretically, you guys are smart, so you figure it out. Don't fall for the party line, 'us v. them' crappola the shills have been bombarding this site with since the Super Bowl purge at TOP.

Remember, two sides, one coin. Watch very carefully what each side actually does when they hold power and how each side switches positions on certain key issues when they are not in power. The issues they switch off on depending on who is 'it' are the real agenda of TPTB.
Use your brains!

**Bond, James Bond** Licensed to kill User ID: 007 08-06-2012 03:59 PM

The Troll Wrote:

And the Senate just seceded their right to vet appointees the other day...

I think dissolution of our current government is in order...

**Lucifer's Hammer**

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 80423 08-06-2012 04:07 PM

"Poor, wretched, and stupid peoples, nations determined on your own misfortune and blind to your own good! You let yourselves be deprived before your own eyes of the best part of your revenues; your fields are plundered, your homes robbed, your family heirlooms taken away. You live in such a way that you cannot claim a single thing as your own; and it would seem that you consider yourselves lucky to be loaned your property, your families, and your very lives.

"All this havoc, this misfortune, this ruin, descends upon you not from alien foes, but from the one enemy whom you yourselves render as powerful as he is, for whom you go bravely to war, for whose greatness you do not refuse to offer your own bodies unto death. He who thus domineers over you has only two eyes, only two hands, only one body, no more than is possessed by the least man among the infinite numbers dwelling in your cities; he has indeed nothing more than the power that you confer upon him to destroy you. Where has he acquired enough eyes to spy upon you, if you do not provide them yourselves? How can he have so many arms to beat you with, if he does not borrow them from you? The feet that trample down your cities, where does he get them if they are not your own? How does he have any power over you except through you? How would he dare assail you if he had no cooperation from you? What could he do to you if you yourselves did not connive with the thief who plunders you, if you were not accomplices of the murderer who kills you, if you were not traitors to yourselves?

"You sow your crops in order that he may ravage them, you install and furnish your homes to give him goods to pillage; you rear your daughters that he may gratify his lust; you bring up your children in order that he may confer upon them the greatest privilege he knows is to be led into his battles, to be delivered to butchery, to be made the servants of his greed and the instruments of his vengeance; you yield your bodies unto hard labor in order that he may indulge in his delights and wallow in his filthy pleasures; you weaken yourselves in order to make him the stronger and the mightier to hold you in check.

"From all these indignities, such as the very beasts of the field would not endure, you can deliver yourselves if you try, not by taking action, but merely by willing to be free. Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces."

Étienne de La Boétie - Discourse on Voluntary Servitude

**Enaid** · (This post was last modified: 08-06-2012 04:16 PM by Enaid.)

-- insert angry scream ---

Megalomaniac!!!!

The huge problem is the American public is too stupid, lazy and blind to see it. It is too hard to read and actually understand what is going on in this country.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 80423 08-06-2012 04:16 PM

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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 80423 08-06-2012 04:23 PM

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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 112774 08-06-2012 05:19 PM

Enaid Wrote:

-- insert angry scream ---

Megalomaniac!!!!

The huge problem is the American public is too stupid, lazy and blind to see it. It is too hard to read and actually understand what is going on in this country.

Interesting concept, I wonder if anyone here inluding you, has actually READ the cyber bill that has been defeated? Why do you all protest something you have no f*cking clue about?

**It's Hot Here**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Enaid Wrote:
-- insert angry scream ---

Megalomaniac!!!!

The huge problem is the American public is too stupid, lazy and blind to see it. It is too hard to read and actually understand what is going on in this country.

Interesting concept, I wonder if anyone here inluding you, has actually READ the cyber bill that has been defeated? Why do you all protest something you have no f*cking clue about?

Did you read it AC? I know I muddled through it and saw several things I didn't like...it takes "warrentless wire taps" to an entirely new level. So instead of insulting everyone on this thread, do some homework yourself.

**Balls Deep** · (This post was last modified: 08-06-2012 08:06 PM by Balls Deep.)

Are we surprised?

Thanks for the Heads up!

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 112774 08-06-2012 11:11 PM

Its Hot Here Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Enaid Wrote:
-- insert angry scream ---

Megalomaniac!!!!

The huge problem is the American public is too stupid, lazy and blind to see it. It is too hard to read and actually understand what is going on in this country.

Interesting concept, I wonder if anyone here inluding you, has actually READ the cyber bill that has been defeated? Why do you all protest something you have no f*cking clue about?

Did you read it AC? I know I muddled through it and saw several things I didn't like...it takes "warrentless wire taps" to an entirely new level. So instead of insulting everyone on this thread, do some homework yourself.

LOL…hell no I didn't read it, and that's why I didn't make any comment as to it being good or bad……I find it insulting to see knee jerk reaction from people who obviously have no idea what the hell they are talking about, I see it on internet fourms all the time.
So you "muddled through it" and can now give a solid conclusion….good for you.

**SlowLoris**

What is in the bill is important but the larger issue is that the Senate voted to shelve it. And Bammy thinking he is above the legislative branch has expressed an interest in signing his own law, bypassing Congress altogether.

That is the real issue here. It doesn't matter if the bill was about planting daisies in the median of all Federal Highways. Congress said NO!

**UcDat**

Currahee Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
This boy king idiot has pushed through less executive orders than your former president.

So why keep calling him stuff like a wanna be dictator?

That being said.... you guys need a non military industrial complex guy, so you guys gonna spent less on the military, so you do not turn into a police state or worse. But Mitt is not that guy too. So.... how can you do it. I would also not count on the Tea Party to stop militarising your country and the world.

Fire them alll!!!!

Both great posts. People are hung up on the person and not the system by design I believe.

Easy enough to say fire them all, but as individuals in a country that does not even allow us a direct vote on our president ... it's likely the power to fire them was wrested from us a long time ago and we only believe that button is attached to the trap door anymore. Well at least most people believe it.

The entire job needs to be redefined from the ground up.

$0.02