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Amish fighting Amish - what the hell?
Isa-bella
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RE: Amish fighting Amish - what the hell?
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from BBC special.."Leaving Amish Paradise"

Young Men Burning Rubber/Hot Rods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJukEwDWQ-U
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Post: #17
RE: Amish fighting Amish - what the hell?
Isa-bella  Wrote: (10-07-2011 02:51 AM)
from BBC special.."Leaving Amish Paradise"

Young Men Burning Rubber/Hot Rods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJukEwDWQ-U

religitards are scary Batboy
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Post: #18
RE: Amish fighting Amish - what the hell?
Isa-bella  Wrote: (10-07-2011 02:51 AM)
from BBC special.."Leaving Amish Paradise"

Young Men Burning Rubber/Hot Rods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJukEwDWQ-U

Wonder if this documentary could be bullshit... I lived around the Amish in N.W. PA for a lot of years and never saw an Amish teenager dressed in western clothing let alone doing donuts in a hotrod... Generally, they are too preoccupied with hard work...

I'm thinking bullshit here!
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10-07-2011 03:16 AM

 



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RE: Amish fighting Amish - what the hell?
Isa-bella thanks for that clip. That was fascinating. Who would have thought the young boys are allowed freedom like that. Mind you, being a young party girl myself once - I do note the lack of females being allowed to do same.

I take it they think they will go to hell for a great number of reasons - namely, modern day life. Time for me to do some googling and educate myself a bit more on the Amish.
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RE: Amish fighting Amish - what the hell?
Vegas  Wrote: (10-07-2011 03:13 AM)
Isa-bella  Wrote: (10-07-2011 02:51 AM)
from BBC special.."Leaving Amish Paradise"

Young Men Burning Rubber/Hot Rods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJukEwDWQ-U

Wonder if this documentary could be bullshit... I lived around the Amish in N.W. PA for a lot of years and never saw an Amish teenager dressed in western clothing let alone doing donuts in a hotrod... Generally, they are too preoccupied with hard work...

I'm thinking bullshit here!

Was that near Blue Balls or Intercourse?
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Isa-bella
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10-07-2011 03:50 AM

 



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RE: Amish fighting Amish - what the hell?
Smiling  Wrote: (10-07-2011 03:16 AM)
Isa-bella thanks for that clip. That was fascinating. Who would have thought the young boys are allowed freedom like that. Mind you, being a young party girl myself once - I do note the lack of females being allowed to do same.

I take it they think they will go to hell for a great number of reasons - namely, modern day life. Time for me to do some googling and educate myself a bit more on the Amish.

Your welcome, it's called "Rumspringa" and females need not apply...lol
One day they'll be a gal that changes all that...there always is one.
Then again the author here uses "children" and not males?????

June 7, 2006

When Amish children turn 16, the rules change. They're encouraged to experiment and explore. The idea is that teens will come back to the church after tasting the modern world. For most, this means a tentative foray — a trip to the local movie theater, or driving lessons. But for some, the experience, called rumspringa, is all about sex, parties and fast cars.

Tom Shachtman's new book Rumspringa: To Be or Not To Be Amish had its beginnings in the research done for the documentary film Devil's Playground. Shachtman talks about how rumspringa works and what parents can learn from the Amish practice.
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Isa-bella
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10-07-2011 03:55 AM

 



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Very informative read..speaks about the females and Rumspringa

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=5455572
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10-07-2011 03:58 AM

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~ Shine On .. ~

~ Sarah Mclachlan ~
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Isa-bella
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10-07-2011 03:59 AM

 



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Smiling  Wrote: (10-07-2011 01:09 AM)
Thought these people set the standard for peace.

A group of religious castoffs has been attacking fellow Amish, cutting off their hair and beards in an apparent feud over spiritual differences, a sheriff said Thursday, and one victim blamed relatives involved in a cult.

No charges have been filed, but several victims suffered minor injuries, Jefferson County Sheriff Fred Abdalla said. The investigation has been hampered by the traditional reluctance of Amish to turn to law enforcement.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/57...llow-Amish


Here's another informative piece, "Amish Outlaws

http://www.amishoutlaws.com/paper.html
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RE: Amish fighting Amish - what the hell?
Vegas  Wrote: (10-07-2011 03:13 AM)
Isa-bella  Wrote: (10-07-2011 02:51 AM)
from BBC special.."Leaving Amish Paradise"

Young Men Burning Rubber/Hot Rods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJukEwDWQ-U

Wonder if this documentary could be bullshit... I lived around the Amish in N.W. PA for a lot of years and never saw an Amish teenager dressed in western clothing let alone doing donuts in a hotrod... Generally, they are too preoccupied with hard work...

I'm thinking bullshit here!

I'm in PA too & most of the Amish people I've met seem pretty peaceful, but I do know there is more going on behind closed than we know like child/spousal abuse. They don't rely on law enforcement so we never hear about it. Also, there are teenagers that go through a rebellious period & some have even bought pot & beer for parties that I've heard about, but never witnessed.

As far as attacks because of spiritual differences I haven't heard of anything around here.

Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - Mark Twain
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Isa-bella
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10-07-2011 04:14 AM

 



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Interview with author Tom Schatman

Never knew that the Amish feared hell so much and that fear brings most of the kids back to the community after doing their"Rumspringa.
Thanks smiley..never thought I'd be reading about the Amish tonight....so much i don't know...went to Lancaster with family as a child, do remember the quilts, and their home-made root-bear and Sho-Fly Pie...

http://binnallofamerica.com/BoAclassic/boaa4.8.8.html
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Isa-bella  Wrote: (10-07-2011 03:55 AM)
Very informative read..speaks about the females and Rumspringa

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...Id=5455572

Those kids really let rip in their double life. I would too.
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Isa-bella
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10-07-2011 04:22 AM

 



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RE: Amish fighting Amish - what the hell?
geminigirl  Wrote: (10-07-2011 04:04 AM)
Vegas  Wrote: (10-07-2011 03:13 AM)
Isa-bella  Wrote: (10-07-2011 02:51 AM)
from BBC special.."Leaving Amish Paradise"

Young Men Burning Rubber/Hot Rods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJukEwDWQ-U

Wonder if this documentary could be bullshit... I lived around the Amish in N.W. PA for a lot of years and never saw an Amish teenager dressed in western clothing let alone doing donuts in a hotrod... Generally, they are too preoccupied with hard work...

I'm thinking bullshit here!

I'm in PA too & most of the Amish people I've met seem pretty peaceful, but I do know there is more going on behind closed than we know like child/spousal abuse. They don't rely on law enforcement so we never hear about it. Also, there are teenagers that go through a rebellious period & some have even bought pot & beer for parties that I've heard about, but never witnessed.

As far as attacks because of spiritual differences I haven't heard of anything around here.


In one of the articles linked here it speaks of the kids parties,up to 1,500 Amish kids doing Rumspringa have come from all over..omg..
Did say that it was on Amish land...therefore no getting raided by the police and breathalyzers....and kids parents being called..been down that road when daughter was a teenager..lol
Many of the boys supposedly don't live at home during their wild years so that could explain why neighbors in the area aren't aware of who's who when seeing groups of boys ou and about and also would keep their worldly ways mostly removed from their Amish communities.
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Isa-bella
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10-07-2011 04:25 AM

 



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RE: Amish fighting Amish - what the hell?
Wednesday, September 8, 2010
Sexual Abuse among the Amish


I have been enjoying writing the fun posts about my stay in Germany. However, today I turn to a more serious topic. On September 2, 2010, there was a report in the New York Times about sexual abuse within an Amish community in Missouri. I commend Malcolm Gay for reporting on this little known problem among the Amish. Even though I was born and raised in an Amish community and endured sexual abuse myself, it is hard for me to say just how prevalent sexual abuse is among the Amish in general. But what I do know is that Amish men are dominate in the culture and that girls are taught they should be submissive to the men (and boys) from the time they can understand the concept. Most Amish do not educate their children about sex, so girls can easily fall prey to sexual abuse. They often have no reference to know what is happening to them, even as the abuse takes place. And to make matters worse, the usual avenues for getting help are not available to Amish children. Very often abuses are first noticed and reported by schoolteachers in mainstream society, but even that avenue is blocked for most Amish children who attend their own parochial schools.

When sexual abuse is uncovered among the Amish, they focus mainly on the perpetrator’s repentance, rather than on the welfare of the children, which allows pedophiles to walk freely among innocents. They are simply not equipped to deal with these issues, and their isolation from mainstream society means that public services are largely out of reach, especially for children. Even if people in the community know of abuse, they will usually not intervene on behalf of the children, because they do not want to be seen as meddling in other families’ everyday lives. This leaves those Amish children who are being abused with few or no advocates, just when they need them the most.

What is unusual about this particular case of Chester Mast is that the Amish actually sought help from law enforcement. Normally the Amish deal with a perpetrator by expelling him for from the church for several weeks (the time period varies by community), having him make a public confession, and then forgiving him. They believe in “forgiving and forgetting,” which means the slate is wiped clean and people are asked to treat that person as if he hadn't transgressed at all. Once the confession has been made, no one is allowed to speak of it again. While the perpetrator is being forgiven, the Amish children, who just lost their innocence, are often being overlooked.

The case related in the New York Times, is no different in this regard — the Amish are concerned about Chester Mast pleading not guilty when he has already admitted the wrongs in a public confession in his church. They are quoted as saying that his lying is worse than the abuse. I found myself saying, “Not so! With the abuse, there were children involved! There is more involved here than this man’s redemption — what about the children?!”

The article in the New York Times barely mentions the known victims — six girls between the ages of five and fifteen, and that there are possibly more victims. There is no mention of whether authorities are continuing their investigations into abuse in this community or an Amish reaction on behalf of these children. Nor is there mention of whether the children are receiving treatment and counseling by social services. I am hoping there will be a follow-up story that focuses on the fate of the victims.

I agree with the sociologist Dr. Donald Kraybill’s assessment that the Amish believe these types of behaviors are spiritual failings and therefore don’t recognize a psychological basis for deviant behavior. In my experience, they look inside their communities for a spiritual solution, when the more appropriate solution would be to seek help from professionals who are trained to deal with psychological problems. People (including the Amish) need help from psychologists, social workers, and law enforcement officials. That is why we have them.

I once had a conversation with an Amish woman who had endured physical abuse from her husband until she finally sought outside help. Several professionals who stepped in to help said to her, “We don’t know how to deal with abuse among the Amish.” Her response was, “Deal with it just like you would with anyone else.” I thought that was aptly put.

To the counselors, social workers, and law enforcement officials who are involved in this case, or any other abuse cases among the Amish I would say, “Please, speak up on behalf of these children — you may be their only advocates.”
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The story in the OP is happening about 10 miles from my home.

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