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Ammo shortage reason, specifically 22LR and a Dire Warning!
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Another reason for the shortage of. 22 LR is because DHS is using it for training. Yep, all those. AR15 riles will fire the .22LR ammunition with a cheap conversion kit. For less than $200.00 you can purchase a new bolt and bolt carrier and change your DPMS or whatever to fire. 22LR instead of the high dollar. 223. Yea, have to change magazines , but the barrel and everything else will work just fine.
So, if you see aSrjceahd box or two of. 22LR, buy it. The life you save might be your own.
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Post: #47
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The higher "across the board" demand in ammunition is that for center fire defensive type in both rifle and handgun. Profit margines are much higher for these types of ammunition as well. When you consider X grains of powder, and X grains of total bullet weight in a typical box of .223 ammo, you can see why.

A typical formula might look like this:

30 grains of powder X 20 rounds @ box = 600gr powder
55 grain bullet X 20 = 1100 grains bullet weight.

Of course, this does not include the cost of brass.

Compared to a typical bulk pack of 22RF:

40gr bullet@ 500 round count = 20,000 grains of lead
Estimated 1/12 grain powder charge X 500 = 750 grains of powder to manufacture 500 rounds.

7000grains = 1lb

Crunching the bottom line...

Currently in my area when ammo can be found, bulk pack .22 is going $35- 40 @ box.

.223 can be found for $15.00 and up.

Looking at these numbers, where is the higher profit margin at? 
This is why .22 is hard to get. Plus the added benefit it is in more demand across the country than 22..


This crises is not going away soon! Expect it to continue at least another 4 years..
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Post: #48
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Funny story how I know this but why is DHS selling AK's and AR's on gun auctions/forums? Anon
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Post: #49
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"Strike-anywhere" matches can also supposedly be used to recharge primers in an emergency situation- look online for the Improvised Munitions Handbook for more good ideas.
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Post: #50
Ammo shortage reason, specifically 22LR and a Dire Warning!
Thomas Tanner  Wrote: (03-22-2013 03:20 AM)
Facts  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:09 PM)
While even the NRA is stupid enough to blame hoarding this simply isn't the case. Find me a single distributor who has seem any real supply lately. What you are noticing filter in is center fire cartridges and not rimfire... Why?

The problem was that rimfire cartridges were the hardest to switch to the new expiry primers. The problems related to centerfire were easier to sort out. The old recipe was switched with the DHS buying long term supplies of their common rounds publicly (for short term usage) and off the record buying off the uncommon rounds to allow the new expiry rounds to filter into the market. The rimfire cartridges were more problematic but were sorted out however this required the DHS to make a full run on the remainder of the market and supplies. This caused the collapse of the supplies of 22LR. The manufacturing companies are doing their best to catch up but this switchover had to happen for the elitists to continue on to the next stage of their plans. This is also why the latest shootings were staged and the anti-gun agenda was moved to the table again.

This had two purposes, number one was to cause a panic to buy off remaining rounds and create an illusion that the shortage was solely based on the panic buying. Number two was to cause people to get on the ranges to practice for any coming threat thus burning up supplies of long term original ammo. So here is your warning:

DO NOT USE ANY of YOUR OLDER AMMO FOR TARGET SHOOTING. SAVE IT ALL!!!!!

You are going to need it. The newer ammo has primers that will deteriorate at a very fast rate and will become unreliable in as few as six months. The new ammo may also have another hidden danger that I could not yet verify. At one point a plan was also to be implemented that all new ammo be manufactured with primers that has a very fine trigger wire installed within them that would cause a flash burn in the primer in the case of an EMP that causing all of the said ammo to explode. The main problem implementing these primers was originally that a cartridge was effectively sealed from an EMP pulse but this may have been overcome and may be another reason for the rimfire shortage as it would have been much more complicated to introduce this effect in this cartridge.

No doubt shills will arrive on this thread in short order but you have been warned. Those few of you left with a remaining IQ will see the validity of this easily.

yeah but would not ammo suppliers like remington winchester have to be in collusion to do this.Scream1

well du chuckle
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Post: #51
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Buy old spam cans of surplus ammo ✓

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Post: #52
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ok, simple way to confirm or deny this. they'd have to publish new loading manuals (ALL the powder and primer manufacturers) as ALL max loads would now change. so, check what has been "stable" loads in a few different cartridges, as well as the "target load" recommendations. if the max loads are the same weight, same powder, complete bullshit then. that kind of change would HAVE to effect the burning curve, and pressure buildup the primer causes. that means the maximum pressure loads would HAVE to change. no ands, ifs, or buts. so, if say hogden doesn't release a new reloading pamphlet, bullshit. if hornady doesn't publish a new edition, bullshit. if they all do, but the max loads of any powder is the same with the same primer, bullshit. now, if you see all the manufacturers publishing all new info that isn't really close to older manuals, it lends the idea a LITTLE credence, as such stupidity as "taggants" have previously been experimented with. chemically, it sounds like an incredibly bad idea, because between "fresh" and "inert" there has to be degradation of the chemical compounds, which HAS to effect the burning rate and pressure rise (which could, with some loads that are max pressure when "fresh", push them into "hand grenade" territory, such as those rifle ball powder "no reduced loads" magnum pistol rounds). that honestly sounds like something one would be very hard pressed to convince those manufacturers to do, let alone remain silent about. you lose loyal customers when they have to pick pieces of revolver cylinder out of their heads...

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Post: #53
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oh, and for those who think they'll make their own primers, might i suggest you apply such ideas ONLY to black powder, or the field expedient equivalents. unless you have a very robust pressure barrel transducer system, development of loads with smokeless powder with a component of unknown performance can prove lethal, even with loads that would seem intuitively "safe". experimentation with explosives is a VERY dangerous pass time, even with "safe explosives". primers are, by design, sensitive to shock. that makes their manufacture all the more hazardous. general hatcher related a tale of an arsenal test rig employee that, while carrying a bucket of small arms primers shook them to hear the "swooshy" rattle sound they made as they rubbed across each other. it was, presumably, the last sound he heard. the resulting explosion left his feet in his shoes, and not much else. in doing some research on "tannerite", i came across a pyrotechnical forum that had much of what i sought, mostly provided by a single intrepid experimenter. his final entry on the tannerite thread included "but, that was all before i lost both hands, so the work has slowed quite a bit". that was a VERY skilled pro. YOU are not.
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Post: #54
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-22-2013 05:54 AM)
Funny story how I know this but why is DHS selling AK's and AR's on gun auctions/forums? Anon

Um...might I ask where these auction sites are? Our local police were selling some uppers and lowers. But they were shit, and hit top dollar the first few bids.

I think people are missing what's really going on here. All of the manufacturers, the dealers, they have warehouses full of product.

They learned their lesson well In the great panic of 08. They are intentionally releasing small amounts and fanning the fires. The rate WE pay for ammunition went up. Not because their rate went up, but because they know they can. They are manipulating this climate.

There are NO real shortages. Just manufacturers piece mealing their supply out so they can make the most money possible.

In a matter of months, this will blow over, just like 08.

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Post: #55
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I have a PMR 30 one box per mag, with 20 left over and then so on. So two boxes only fills 3 mags.
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Post: #57
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skeptic  Wrote: (03-21-2013 07:22 PM)
I don't buy it. Think of the legal liability in the event that thousands of innocent people were suddenly "shot" by their caches of stored ammo.

LOL! Somehow I think if this were to happen then suing people would be the least of their worries
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Post: #58
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Here is the link to the USPTO dated 1998.
Hope I am not repeating.

United States Patent 5,773,748
Makowiecki , et al. June 30, 1998

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Limited-life cartridge primers


http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parse...PN/5773748
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Post: #59
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Bump
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Post: #60
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remember, hide your weapons and ammo where authorities can't find it. make a water proof container from some large pvc pipe, grease it up and throw a sock full of dry rice in there, seal it up and bury it where you can get it if needed and authorities can't seize it. final warning
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