ever see the suicide nets they outside the upper floors of FoxCon?
Think of little Chinese children and their thoughts of killing themselves next time you get a new app for that thing.

They could incur all the costs of 100 percent domestic production and a 100 percent American workforce and still sell the iphone at the exact same price.........



Th article in the OP, with what many might judge as low numbers, only accounts for assembly here in America. Producing the parts in America would certainly add thousands to the costs of every one and take years to set up. We don't have the manufacturing here for the high tech parts.

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The Lucky AC  Wrote:

Cool racism bro. Richard the untouchable strikes again.

Hopefully America goes to war against Britain soon so we can test your theory of superior weaponry.

So Solly.

Do you realize that you're causing Disturbed to be legally vulnerable by posting your garbage? Great job asshole.

Americans should stop buying their products. Of course, that would take sacrifice something that many..although they b*tch and moan, will never do.

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Richard Eldritch  Wrote:

So Solly.

Do you realize that you're causing Disturbed to be legally vulnerable by posting your garbage? Great job asshole.

Link to any U.S. legal precedent whatsoever at all in which anyone was ever sued for doing an impression of a text accent? It wouldn't even make to a judge for him/her to laugh out of court.

If you really want to be offended, watch the Comedy Channel.....you will a thousand times worse every single night........

and guess what? not one comedian has been sued or ever will be.

They could incur all the costs of 100 percent domestic production and a 100 percent American workforce and still sell the iphone at the exact same price.........



Th article in the OP, with what many might judge as low numbers, only accounts for assembly here in America. Producing the parts in America would certainly add thousands to the costs of every one and take years to set up. We don't have the manufacturing here for the high tech parts.

Because they are too expensive verses slave labor of chinkville.
"be an obedient worker, and work for shit." not dissing the pop, but the controllers.

Do you understand what it takes for employers to pay hellcare premiums in this country????

At the end of the day, the math does not ADD UP!

putting aside the stupid comments such as chinkville for a minute, taking a look at alot of the other comments, it seems that most of the usa people are forgetting about 3 things that matter to most companies like apple, and usually post like these tend to gravitate towards the same conclusions at the end of the day, missing a closer look at what really plays a bigger part in things

tariffs

taxes

treaties

long unintelligable rant warning

if you take a few minutes and ignore all of the daily msm rhetoric about invisible trade wars, sanctions, and the daily racist and uninformed crap that leads to just really "they took our jobs", and that kind of stuff, you get to see that behind the scenes most politicians and agencies don't really give a rats ass about you or jobs that were never yours to begin with.

every year politicians pass new trade and treaty laws, and revise older ones, behind the scenes, far from the public eyes that conform to what corporations want, not people who lost a job, can't get a job, or actually think that working for tips is a areal "job". so the next time some idiot is on tv asking for votes and kissing babies, pay attention to what they are doing when that politicians career is on the line.

notice i said career, not job. big difference.

working in a slave shop is a job, not a career choice. working for tips because some asshole expands their business to a point that the excuse of "i can only afford to hire someone for 2 dollars and hour but they get tips and hey it's an american tradition", that is a job, not a career.

being paid to create laws that are enforceable by a judicial system, or even worse, police or military, laws that only serve to make some one a profit at the expense of public funded tax money, that is a career and a career choice for many who have the means to enter into the political arena. but before i get into writing a 50 page post on this subject, i'll try to make it short.

what are the laws for interstate trade, and taxation in your area. what are the tax codes for items prepackaged vs. ones that may need additional packaging and being shipped by a method that stacks the item on a pallet in boxes of 24 x 24 per unit and the weight of each individual unit when comparing and shopping for additional discounts for preferred shipping method used, and taking into account wether or not federal funding may be available because the local tax codes allows for a pre agreed upon rate surcharge discount because the local union uses labor that participates in a federal mandated insurance program which uses funds from a tax shelter set up by a politician which gained profit from personally, yet set the tax payers back an additional 20% because the neighboring state partakes of a program which utilizes laws still on the books to regulate shipping cost of items prepared in a wharehouse which uses non union labor but allows certain tax breaks because of no harm for the last 30 days to the creek that flows just 5 miles out of town but falls within the jurisidiction of the incorporated town limits who made a deal with the state it is a part of to recieve funds for business who may one day do business in that area because of the tax breaks for people who use toilet paper with pictures of cute panda bears f*cking sponsered by a foriegn zoo in columbia who just said no to drugs.


get the point yet. instead of bitching about chinks who took your jobs, labor cost and insurance cost, buying local, and all the other arguments like this, instead b*tch about the assholes you elect who make a pretty penny passing laws and regulations that let companies dictate what goes into a treaty, or trade law, which allows them to take advantadge of a foreign nations own miscreant behavior, skirting that companies own nation of origins laws.

because as far as the usa goes, holy crap have you read any the volumes of laws that have been passed already concerning this stuff. not to mention the ones that are still on the books but are completely made useless by new ones. and thats just for state to state, town to town tax codes, and trade laws, not even begining to get into the international stuff.

you don't have free energy because you have to take out a billion dollar loan just to cover the taxes and fees to run a windmill on property that at any time can be taken away from you for any reason it seems any time they see fit.

you don't have an apple plant because the cost of covering taxes on everything from the thickness of the paper used to put a stamp on the shipping invoice, to the potential loss of profits according to the insurance people who know that one day little billy may use an unauthorized mp3 of a monkey f*cking a rabbit, who's sound of ectasy could be confused for a van halen track from an album 20 years ago, but needs to be insured for that potential loss anyway.

you don't have a job that was taken to begin with, when a company can just make an ipod in china, forgetting about the whole mess when all they have to worry about is selling a product and then sticking it on a boat or a plane and sending it back to the nation whose laws get in the way of profit all the while getting help in the form of political help. yadda yadda yadda, the list goes on.

i could stop here, but there is one important thing to think about now at this point. most would stop here and say good post, great job i understand things maybe a little better, or you gave me something new to think about, or stfu you don't what you're talking about, or what do you know. a lot of things can be said at this point in the conversation now, wether right or wrong, but there is one important thing to say now that needs to said and remembered above anything else in this post . . .

above all else what ever you think goes on or not, there is one thing to think about that is proven, is fact, and is very very very important.

that nno matter how much money was made, no matter what deals were done, and no matter how much time has passed, the sheer staggering number of laws that still on the books involving taxes, tariffs, and treaties,
laws that have long since served thier purpose, wether good or bad,

ARE AND DO STILL AFFECT YOU

as a person, as a consumer, as a community. and these assholes that get elected are not done yet. each day more deals are being made that affect you more than it affects the company the law was passed to deal with.

high gas prices, food prices, insurance cost, etc. etc., everyones hands are in the pot getting something from it it except the average person in the streets.

no easy fix so just for f's sake, take all the corrupt bastards(i'm sure we outnumber them)out to the streets and hang them all(my country included).

then, if you want to create and operate a business in for example the usa, do so but under just a few guidelines, such as business must be physicaly based on soil, taxes paid, and the few others that seem obvious. follow the FEW regulations like don't pollute and the like. if you want to create and operate a business outside of nation, do so, but that's between you and that other country, and you will not be considered a company of the usa.

and if you do so, you will be treated as a foreign company, not one that can advertise without restriction here, benefit from tax money here, have a say in the political process here, receive tax funding here, or any of the 50 billion things companies do and enjoy now thanks to public tax money, loopholes and laws.

maybe then people could actually get a decent job, or even once again have a career in something. because if farmer bob wants to sell farmer joe some corn, and just because a few hundred miles lie between them on paper in the form of boundries and state lines, they don't have to worry about it when taking the corn to the shipping place while listening to their ipods driving their tractors on a highway that is in decent shape, stopping only to help the young lady who's car had broken down after 20 years because the locally made spark plug finally died, so he treats her to a coffee at a truckstop served by a waitress who doesn't get paid a tip because she earns a decent living wating table s for a guy who placed business sense over profit and didn't expand past the point of not being able to pay employees a decent wage because he had to repay loans with no hopes of ever finishing it off, or paying an insurance premium that's rises every year with less and less coverage, that the waitress will never participate in anyway, blah blah blah.

if anybody gets screwed over, at least make it the outsiders of business from other nations rather then you're own people and business, that way it would justify the military budget of the government until people figure out that problem too(get the hanging ropes ready)

LoP Guest  Wrote:

putting aside the stupid comments such as chinkville for a minute, taking a look at alot of the other comments, it seems that most of the usa people are forgetting about 3 things that matter to most companies like apple, and usually post like these tend to gravitate towards the same conclusions at the end of the day, missing a closer look at what really plays a bigger part in things

tariffs

taxes

treaties

long unintelligable rant warning

if you take a few minutes and ignore all of the daily msm rhetoric about invisible trade wars, sanctions, and the daily racist and uninformed crap that leads to just really "they took our jobs", and that kind of stuff, you get to see that behind the scenes most politicians and agencies don't really give a rats ass about you or jobs that were never yours to begin with.

every year politicians pass new trade and treaty laws, and revise older ones, behind the scenes, far from the public eyes that conform to what corporations want, not people who lost a job, can't get a job, or actually think that working for tips is a areal "job". so the next time some idiot is on tv asking for votes and kissing babies, pay attention to what they are doing when that politicians career is on the line.

notice i said career, not job. big difference.

working in a slave shop is a job, not a career choice. working for tips because some asshole expands their business to a point that the excuse of "i can only afford to hire someone for 2 dollars and hour but they get tips and hey it's an american tradition", that is a job, not a career.

being paid to create laws that are enforceable by a judicial system, or even worse, police or military, laws that only serve to make some one a profit at the expense of public funded tax money, that is a career and a career choice for many who have the means to enter into the political arena. but before i get into writing a 50 page post on this subject, i'll try to make it short.

what are the laws for interstate trade, and taxation in your area. what are the tax codes for items prepackaged vs. ones that may need additional packaging and being shipped by a method that stacks the item on a pallet in boxes of 24 x 24 per unit and the weight of each individual unit when comparing and shopping for additional discounts for preferred shipping method used, and taking into account wether or not federal funding may be available because the local tax codes allows for a pre agreed upon rate surcharge discount because the local union uses labor that participates in a federal mandated insurance program which uses funds from a tax shelter set up by a politician which gained profit from personally, yet set the tax payers back an additional 20% because the neighboring state partakes of a program which utilizes laws still on the books to regulate shipping cost of items prepared in a wharehouse which uses non union labor but allows certain tax breaks because of no harm for the last 30 days to the creek that flows just 5 miles out of town but falls within the jurisidiction of the incorporated town limits who made a deal with the state it is a part of to recieve funds for business who may one day do business in that area because of the tax breaks for people who use toilet paper with pictures of cute panda bears f*cking sponsered by a foriegn zoo in columbia who just said no to drugs.


get the point yet. instead of bitching about chinks who took your jobs, labor cost and insurance cost, buying local, and all the other arguments like this, instead b*tch about the assholes you elect who make a pretty penny passing laws and regulations that let companies dictate what goes into a treaty, or trade law, which allows them to take advantadge of a foreign nations own miscreant behavior, skirting that companies own nation of origins laws.

because as far as the usa goes, holy crap have you read any the volumes of laws that have been passed already concerning this stuff. not to mention the ones that are still on the books but are completely made useless by new ones. and thats just for state to state, town to town tax codes, and trade laws, not even begining to get into the international stuff.

you don't have free energy because you have to take out a billion dollar loan just to cover the taxes and fees to run a windmill on property that at any time can be taken away from you for any reason it seems any time they see fit.

you don't have an apple plant because the cost of covering taxes on everything from the thickness of the paper used to put a stamp on the shipping invoice, to the potential loss of profits according to the insurance people who know that one day little billy may use an unauthorized mp3 of a monkey f*cking a rabbit, who's sound of ectasy could be confused for a van halen track from an album 20 years ago, but needs to be insured for that potential loss anyway.

you don't have a job that was taken to begin with, when a company can just make an ipod in china, forgetting about the whole mess when all they have to worry about is selling a product and then sticking it on a boat or a plane and sending it back to the nation whose laws get in the way of profit all the while getting help in the form of political help. yadda yadda yadda, the list goes on.

i could stop here, but there is one important thing to think about now at this point. most would stop here and say good post, great job i understand things maybe a little better, or you gave me something new to think about, or stfu you don't what you're talking about, or what do you know. a lot of things can be said at this point in the conversation now, wether right or wrong, but there is one important thing to say now that needs to said and remembered above anything else in this post . . .

above all else what ever you think goes on or not, there is one thing to think about that is proven, is fact, and is very very very important.

that nno matter how much money was made, no matter what deals were done, and no matter how much time has passed, the sheer staggering number of laws that still on the books involving taxes, tariffs, and treaties,
laws that have long since served thier purpose, wether good or bad,

ARE AND DO STILL AFFECT YOU

as a person, as a consumer, as a community. and these assholes that get elected are not done yet. each day more deals are being made that affect you more than it affects the company the law was passed to deal with.

high gas prices, food prices, insurance cost, etc. etc., everyones hands are in the pot getting something from it it except the average person in the streets.

no easy fix so just for f's sake, take all the corrupt bastards(i'm sure we outnumber them)out to the streets and hang them all(my country included).

then, if you want to create and operate a business in for example the usa, do so but under just a few guidelines, such as business must be physicaly based on soil, taxes paid, and the few others that seem obvious. follow the FEW regulations like don't pollute and the like. if you want to create and operate a business outside of nation, do so, but that's between you and that other country, and you will not be considered a company of the usa.

and if you do so, you will be treated as a foreign company, not one that can advertise without restriction here, benefit from tax money here, have a say in the political process here, receive tax funding here, or any of the 50 billion things companies do and enjoy now thanks to public tax money, loopholes and laws.

maybe then people could actually get a decent job, or even once again have a career in something. because if farmer bob wants to sell farmer joe some corn, and just because a few hundred miles lie between them on paper in the form of boundries and state lines, they don't have to worry about it when taking the corn to the shipping place while listening to their ipods driving their tractors on a highway that is in decent shape, stopping only to help the young lady who's car had broken down after 20 years because the locally made spark plug finally died, so he treats her to a coffee at a truckstop served by a waitress who doesn't get paid a tip because she earns a decent living wating table s for a guy who placed business sense over profit and didn't expand past the point of not being able to pay employees a decent wage because he had to repay loans with no hopes of ever finishing it off, or paying an insurance premium that's rises every year with less and less coverage, that the waitress will never participate in anyway, blah blah blah.

if anybody gets screwed over, at least make it the outsiders of business from other nations rather then you're own people and business, that way it would justify the military budget of the government until people figure out that problem too(get the hanging ropes ready)

very good points, thanks for posting this - these and other reasons are why I support Ron Paul, who supports free markets more than anyone else who I've heard who's running...

Astrochik  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

putting aside the stupid comments such as chinkville for a minute, taking a look at alot of the other comments, it seems that most of the usa people are forgetting about 3 things that matter to most companies like apple, and usually post like these tend to gravitate towards the same conclusions at the end of the day, missing a closer look at what really plays a bigger part in things

tariffs

taxes

treaties

long unintelligable rant warning

if you take a few minutes and ignore all of the daily msm rhetoric about invisible trade wars, sanctions, and the daily racist and uninformed crap that leads to just really "they took our jobs", and that kind of stuff, you get to see that behind the scenes most politicians and agencies don't really give a rats ass about you or jobs that were never yours to begin with.

every year politicians pass new trade and treaty laws, and revise older ones, behind the scenes, far from the public eyes that conform to what corporations want, not people who lost a job, can't get a job, or actually think that working for tips is a areal "job". so the next time some idiot is on tv asking for votes and kissing babies, pay attention to what they are doing when that politicians career is on the line.

notice i said career, not job. big difference.

working in a slave shop is a job, not a career choice. working for tips because some asshole expands their business to a point that the excuse of "i can only afford to hire someone for 2 dollars and hour but they get tips and hey it's an american tradition", that is a job, not a career.

being paid to create laws that are enforceable by a judicial system, or even worse, police or military, laws that only serve to make some one a profit at the expense of public funded tax money, that is a career and a career choice for many who have the means to enter into the political arena. but before i get into writing a 50 page post on this subject, i'll try to make it short.

what are the laws for interstate trade, and taxation in your area. what are the tax codes for items prepackaged vs. ones that may need additional packaging and being shipped by a method that stacks the item on a pallet in boxes of 24 x 24 per unit and the weight of each individual unit when comparing and shopping for additional discounts for preferred shipping method used, and taking into account wether or not federal funding may be available because the local tax codes allows for a pre agreed upon rate surcharge discount because the local union uses labor that participates in a federal mandated insurance program which uses funds from a tax shelter set up by a politician which gained profit from personally, yet set the tax payers back an additional 20% because the neighboring state partakes of a program which utilizes laws still on the books to regulate shipping cost of items prepared in a wharehouse which uses non union labor but allows certain tax breaks because of no harm for the last 30 days to the creek that flows just 5 miles out of town but falls within the jurisidiction of the incorporated town limits who made a deal with the state it is a part of to recieve funds for business who may one day do business in that area because of the tax breaks for people who use toilet paper with pictures of cute panda bears f*cking sponsered by a foriegn zoo in columbia who just said no to drugs.


get the point yet. instead of bitching about chinks who took your jobs, labor cost and insurance cost, buying local, and all the other arguments like this, instead b*tch about the assholes you elect who make a pretty penny passing laws and regulations that let companies dictate what goes into a treaty, or trade law, which allows them to take advantadge of a foreign nations own miscreant behavior, skirting that companies own nation of origins laws.

because as far as the usa goes, holy crap have you read any the volumes of laws that have been passed already concerning this stuff. not to mention the ones that are still on the books but are completely made useless by new ones. and thats just for state to state, town to town tax codes, and trade laws, not even begining to get into the international stuff.

you don't have free energy because you have to take out a billion dollar loan just to cover the taxes and fees to run a windmill on property that at any time can be taken away from you for any reason it seems any time they see fit.

you don't have an apple plant because the cost of covering taxes on everything from the thickness of the paper used to put a stamp on the shipping invoice, to the potential loss of profits according to the insurance people who know that one day little billy may use an unauthorized mp3 of a monkey f*cking a rabbit, who's sound of ectasy could be confused for a van halen track from an album 20 years ago, but needs to be insured for that potential loss anyway.

you don't have a job that was taken to begin with, when a company can just make an ipod in china, forgetting about the whole mess when all they have to worry about is selling a product and then sticking it on a boat or a plane and sending it back to the nation whose laws get in the way of profit all the while getting help in the form of political help. yadda yadda yadda, the list goes on.

i could stop here, but there is one important thing to think about now at this point. most would stop here and say good post, great job i understand things maybe a little better, or you gave me something new to think about, or stfu you don't what you're talking about, or what do you know. a lot of things can be said at this point in the conversation now, wether right or wrong, but there is one important thing to say now that needs to said and remembered above anything else in this post . . .

above all else what ever you think goes on or not, there is one thing to think about that is proven, is fact, and is very very very important.

that nno matter how much money was made, no matter what deals were done, and no matter how much time has passed, the sheer staggering number of laws that still on the books involving taxes, tariffs, and treaties,
laws that have long since served thier purpose, wether good or bad,

ARE AND DO STILL AFFECT YOU

as a person, as a consumer, as a community. and these assholes that get elected are not done yet. each day more deals are being made that affect you more than it affects the company the law was passed to deal with.

high gas prices, food prices, insurance cost, etc. etc., everyones hands are in the pot getting something from it it except the average person in the streets.

no easy fix so just for f's sake, take all the corrupt bastards(i'm sure we outnumber them)out to the streets and hang them all(my country included).

then, if you want to create and operate a business in for example the usa, do so but under just a few guidelines, such as business must be physicaly based on soil, taxes paid, and the few others that seem obvious. follow the FEW regulations like don't pollute and the like. if you want to create and operate a business outside of nation, do so, but that's between you and that other country, and you will not be considered a company of the usa.

and if you do so, you will be treated as a foreign company, not one that can advertise without restriction here, benefit from tax money here, have a say in the political process here, receive tax funding here, or any of the 50 billion things companies do and enjoy now thanks to public tax money, loopholes and laws.

maybe then people could actually get a decent job, or even once again have a career in something. because if farmer bob wants to sell farmer joe some corn, and just because a few hundred miles lie between them on paper in the form of boundries and state lines, they don't have to worry about it when taking the corn to the shipping place while listening to their ipods driving their tractors on a highway that is in decent shape, stopping only to help the young lady who's car had broken down after 20 years because the locally made spark plug finally died, so he treats her to a coffee at a truckstop served by a waitress who doesn't get paid a tip because she earns a decent living wating table s for a guy who placed business sense over profit and didn't expand past the point of not being able to pay employees a decent wage because he had to repay loans with no hopes of ever finishing it off, or paying an insurance premium that's rises every year with less and less coverage, that the waitress will never participate in anyway, blah blah blah.

if anybody gets screwed over, at least make it the outsiders of business from other nations rather then you're own people and business, that way it would justify the military budget of the government until people figure out that problem too(get the hanging ropes ready)

very good points, thanks for posting this - these and other reasons are why I support Ron Paul, who supports free markets more than anyone else who I've heard who's running...

i can't vote here, but if i could i would vote for ron paul. i don't agree with everything he talks about, but at least he seems like he genuinely cares about things, wether for the good or bad of things, he seems like he cares enough to talk about anything when he gets interviewed or debates stuff with people. he seems more like a real person than just a smile and a handshake with a promise.