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**Living4Eden**

Devout Agnostic Wrote:

~Stormy~ Wrote:
Most likely the only actual shaman here, and not a single person paid any attention to what I said.

What if a shaman is merely a genetic type who has been trained? induction into shamanism was always a complex and highly ritualized process, which our society provides no analogue for.

What if schizophrenics are that genetic type?
What if there's lots of them popping up in an attempt to heal the collective consciousness?
What if they are being criven crazy by spiritual persecution?

What if that's the front line of the real war, shaman?

your post made me cry

i believe this to be the truth.

**~Stormy~** · **~Stormy~** Abby Normal User ID: 67532 08-10-2012 01:28 PM **Posts: 2,079**

Devout Agnostic Wrote:

~Stormy~ Wrote:
Most likely the only actual shaman here, and not a single person paid any attention to what I said.

What if a shaman is merely a genetic type who has been trained? induction into shamanism was always a complex and highly ritualized process, which our society provides no analogue for.

What if schizophrenics are that genetic type?
What if there's lots of them popping up in an attempt to heal the collective consciousness?
What if they are being criven crazy by spiritual persecution?

What if that's the front line of the real war, shaman?

You didn't really pay attention to what I said. Being a shaman goes well beyond ability to communicate with other realms. It is a natural gift to heal others with all their gifts and resources, traditional physical healers have to go through a long training process. For spiritual healers however, it is simply who they are. It is not something they learn. You are focused on what you want to believe. I understand that, but if you seek knowledge you have to listen with an open heart and mind. Otherwise why bother asking?

**Spritely1 NLI** lop guest User ID: 113838 08-10-2012 03:14 PM

~Stormy~ Wrote:

Devout Agnostic Wrote:
~Stormy~ Wrote:
Most likely the only actual shaman here, and not a single person paid any attention to what I said.

What if a shaman is merely a genetic type who has been trained? induction into shamanism was always a complex and highly ritualized process, which our society provides no analogue for.

What if schizophrenics are that genetic type?
What if there's lots of them popping up in an attempt to heal the collective consciousness?
What if they are being criven crazy by spiritual persecution?

What if that's the front line of the real war, shaman?
You didn't really pay attention to what I said. Being a shaman goes well beyond ability to communicate with other realms. It is a natural gift to heal others with all their gifts and resources, traditional physical healers have to go through a long training process. For spiritual healers however, it is simply who they are. It is not something they learn. You are focused on what you want to believe. I understand that, but if you seek knowledge you have to listen with an open heart and mind. Otherwise why bother asking?

Very true...

Kettlenaut also hit the nail on the head in 1 of his replies too...

I figured I'd throw my 2 cents in on this...as I had a Shamanic Death in 1998...do have a bit of experience with it..

LOL..I'm not Schizo..never have been.
It's rare for me to hear voices...but it does happen occasionally.

I was 'born' a Shaman...even though I didn't realize it until I was almost 40!!!
Just knew I was very different than most other peeps.

I had the Shaman's Death, because I asked Creator to help me, because I 'felt lost..not doing what it was I was supposed to be doing'..but had no clue what it was..so I asked to be 'shown my path, and make it so clear I'll have no doubt it's the right 1 for me."..
LMAO...never in a million years, did I ever think it would be a Shaman!

I am 'learning more' now...from older, wiser Shaman...and apparently I've progressed to a point where I'm going to need Helpers..where-as, I've never needed them before.
I was given a huge Black Tiger on the Astral, as a Power Animal...
A Dragon and a wild Gryphon have both shown up here in the last 6 months.
Others have truly 'seen them' when they have been with me.

Spider Woman is my 'Helper' to help me 'weave patches ' to heal torn Auras, busted Chakras, do 'Soul Retrieval'...
All of those, are new to my 'Healing abilities'...and I'm just now learning how to do it.

It has always been ...a progression...progression of abilities, along with the progression of my own personal development..learning how to not let EGO and Shadow Self, rule me...not be a 'victim of hormones' anymore.

A schizo person dosen't have this much control over their 'thoughts'...

I do believe though, that some Schizo people are having experiences from 'the other side'...and they aren't 'equiped' to handle it...so it freaks them out, and Society calls them crazy.
I think if a Shaman were to Counsel them..they may be able to help them understand what they are encountering...and 'eliminate the FEAR', that is the major cause of their 'problematic behaviour'.

Our Society chooses to ignore much that is Reality..calling it 'superstitous beliefs'..'woo woo magick'..ect...
And, it causes these 'sensitive types' of people to be lost...because no one tells them the TRUTH of what they are experienceing.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 101358 08-10-2012 03:17 PM

Yes we are.
No we aren't.

**Devout Agnostic**

~Stormy~ Wrote:

Devout Agnostic Wrote:
~Stormy~ Wrote:
Most likely the only actual shaman here, and not a single person paid any attention to what I said.

What if a shaman is merely a genetic type who has been trained? induction into shamanism was always a complex and highly ritualized process, which our society provides no analogue for.

What if schizophrenics are that genetic type?
What if there's lots of them popping up in an attempt to heal the collective consciousness?
What if they are being criven crazy by spiritual persecution?

What if that's the front line of the real war, shaman?
You didn't really pay attention to what I said. Being a shaman goes well beyond ability to communicate with other realms. It is a natural gift to heal others with all their gifts and resources, traditional physical healers have to go through a long training process. For spiritual healers however, it is simply who they are. It is not something they learn. You are focused on what you want to believe. I understand that, but if you seek knowledge you have to listen with an open heart and mind. Otherwise why bother asking?

Could a spiritual healer be nullified by persecution and ignorance?

**Devout Agnostic**

Living4Eden Wrote:

your post made me cry

i believe this to be the truth.

**Devout Agnostic** · (This post was last modified: 08-10-2012 08:31 PM by Devout Agnostic.)

Spritely1 NLI Wrote:

I do believe though, that some Schizo people are having experiences from 'the other side'...and they aren't 'equiped' to handle it...so it freaks them out, and Society calls them crazy.

I would say 'drives them crazy.'

I had this thought after I saw a little minidoc called Don't Call Me Crazy On The 4th Of July about a homeless guy in PA who wore signs and talked to people on the street about mind control.

If some crazy, dirty homeless person walks up to you and says they are being harrassed by agents of the government performing mind control experiments, is their mental state evidence that their story is untrue... or that it is true?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 112998 08-10-2012 08:34 PM

even a Paranoid Schizophrenic can have real enemies. Rofl

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 113939 08-11-2012 12:35 AM

Devout Agnostic Wrote:

Spritely1 NLI Wrote:
I do believe though, that some Schizo people are having experiences from 'the other side'...and they aren't 'equiped' to handle it...so it freaks them out, and Society calls them crazy.

I would say 'drives them crazy.'

I had this thought after I saw a little minidoc called Don't Call Me Crazy On The 4th Of July about a homeless guy in PA who wore signs and talked to people on the street about mind control.

If some crazy, dirty homeless person walks up to you and says they are being harrassed by agents of the government performing mind control experiments, is their mental state evidence that their story is untrue... or that it is true?

...probably more aptly put..than I did ...but yeah..
It does, because it denies the existance of these things in modern times.
In denying they exist..it automatically is enough to 'drive a person crazy'..because they are being told what they are experiencing, isn't real.

Good question about the Homeless person...could be seen either way...depending on where 'your view point' is.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 113829 08-11-2012 12:44 AM

Perhaps stop smoking the cookoo weed and maybe your mind won't play tricks on you. The plant/weed is just that... a weed. You are not a f*cking weed or an animal who eats such things. Weeds have a different life, a different behavior, a different world and are for animals. It is not meant to be your world. You're not meant to experience their world.

You aint no f*cking "sha man", you ain't no jim morrison, you ain't the anti-crhist, or jesus, and you aint schizoid. you're just taking shit into your brain that turns you into an animal, which you are to some degree, but being an animal in this civilized world is probably not the brightest idea in the world.

**Devout Agnostic**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Perhaps stop smoking the cookoo weed and maybe your mind won't play tricks on you. The plant/weed is just that... a weed. You are not a f*cking weed or an animal who eats such things. Weeds have a different life, a different behavior, a different world and are for animals. It is not meant to be your world. You're not meant to experience their world.

You aint no f*cking "sha man", you ain't no jim morrison, you ain't the anti-crhist, or jesus, and you aint schizoid. you're just taking shit into your brain that turns you into an animal, which you are to some degree, but being an animal in this civilized world is probably not the brightest idea in the world.

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