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**MorningMist**

Are you a false believer?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 79839 02-22-2012 07:50 PM

define please

**Mr. Stone**

My belief system is to not be weighed down by beliefs.

**MorningMist**

LoP Guest Wrote:

define please

I've no clue what it means but I'm curious. :)

**MorningMist**

Mr. Stone Wrote:

My belief system is to not be weighed down by beliefs.

**brewha**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQcNiD0Z3MU

**FreedomStands**

I think the closest matching term for a "false believer" would be hypocrite:

hyp·o·crite /ˈhɪpəkrɪt/ Show Spelled[hip-uh-krit] Show IPA
noun
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

**MorningMist**

FreedomStands Wrote:

I think the closest matching term for a "false believer" would be hypocrite:

hyp·o·crite /ˈhɪpəkrɪt/ Show Spelled[hip-uh-krit] Show IPA
noun
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

That's interesting. How is it to be determined that these folks are false believers?

**Kotter**

MorningMist Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
I think the closest matching term for a "false believer" would be hypocrite:

hyp·o·crite /ˈhɪpəkrɪt/ Show Spelled[hip-uh-krit] Show IPA
noun
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

That's interesting. How is it to be determined that these folks are false believers?

Maybe it has to do with talking the talk and not walking the walk ?

That's always what I saw.

Christ on the cross is not Christ on the cross, it's the church, and illogical reasoning that has crucified it's very followers.

Christ isn't on the cross, they are.

Silly isn't it ?

**Psychonaut** lop guest User ID: 73772 02-22-2012 08:07 PM

Yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOH_mioL3TU

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 71550 02-22-2012 08:09 PM

Mr. Stone Wrote:

My belief system is to not be weighed down by beliefs.

As absurd as it may sound... THIS. Jhikpghf

"If you believe something, you're automatically precluded from believing
in the opposite, which means that a degree of your human freedom has
been forfeited in the act of this belief"

"We must begin to send out ideological visions rather than be the consumers
of them. We need to turn off the metaphorical televisions which are hooking
us into the network of cultural assumptions"

-Terrence Mckenna

**FreedomStands**

Yeah, I think basically it is practicing what you preach. One can only identify a hypocrite from their physical actions contradicting their stated beliefs or whatever, or if they say one thing to one person and another to another person that isn't compatible with the other thing they said.

If it is just about beliefs though, and no actions are really involved with those beliefs, then it is hard to identify them because one can't know for certain what anyone believes inside probably.

So like, a hypocrite would be someone who says they don't drink, and that other people shouldn't drink, but then drinks themselves.

Sometimes people use the term hypocrite to mean someone who teaches against something for other people but does it themselves, but it is especially true if they say they don't do something and then do it, or say they do something and don't do it.

Another word for a hypocrite could be a liar, but it usually relates to people who try to teach something to others or carry themselves in a certain way and then does things contrary to what is expected of them.

So one famous example might be all the stories about priests having sexual intercourse throughout medieval european history, or popes having children in secret and stuff.

**MorningMist**

Psychonaut Wrote:

Yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOH_mioL3TU

**FreedomStands** · (This post was last modified: 02-22-2012 08:15 PM by FreedomStands.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

Mr. Stone Wrote:
My belief system is to not be weighed down by beliefs.

As absurd as it may sound... THIS.

"If you believe something, you're automatically precluded from believing
in the opposite, which means that a degree of your human freedom has
been forfeited in the act of this belief"

"We must begin to send out ideological visions rather than be the consumers
of them. We need to turn off the metaphorical televisions which are hooking
us into the network of cultural assumptions"

-Terrence Mckenna

I believe there is "something", therefor I don't believe there is "nothing".

I believe everyone has beliefs, even if they deny they have beliefs, believes are how we judge that there is a floor to walk on, before we step down on it. If we believed there was no floor, we might be afraid to step down, that is...if we believed that no floor would mean that we would fall.

Having no beliefs is having no way to express anything honestly. It is also pretty much impossible while being alive and operating in the world.

**MorningMist**

!saac Wrote:

MorningMist Wrote:
FreedomStands Wrote:
I think the closest matching term for a "false believer" would be hypocrite:

hyp·o·crite /ˈhɪpəkrɪt/ Show Spelled[hip-uh-krit] Show IPA
noun
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.

That's interesting. How is it to be determined that these folks are false believers?

Maybe it has to do with talking the talk and not walking the walk ?

That's always what I saw.

Christ on the cross is not Christ on the cross, it's the church, and illogical reasoning that has crucified it's very followers.

Christ isn't on the cross, they are.

Silly isn't it ?

There sure is a lot of talk to walk it seems.