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Ghost of 51:50  Wrote:

Check out my website in my signature peedee. I had a dream, I can't remember what date that the computer than runs the mark of the beast system is a "living" entity.

A lot of everyone's questions could be answered, if they visit my page:

http://luke-alive.bravehost.com/

i've been on your site before, i agree with some of it but not the bar code thing. i explained why it doesnt say 666 in a barcode to you once before. if you understand how the numbering of barcodes work you would realize it doesnt say 666 in a barcode. Even if it did the number would be 6189639816 (for example) which isnt the same as 666.

13:14-15 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live." "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

The False Prophet will cause an image of the Antichrist to be built and will have power to "give breath to the image of the first beast". In the midst of the Tribulation, after the Antichrist has been slain and resurrected, the False Prophet will cause people to build an image like Nebuchadnezzar's image and will demand that it be worshiped. Nebuchadnezzar's Dream

By some mysterious means unknown in the previous history of the world, he will give life to that image. How long it will manifest life we are not told. What characteristics it will have we are not told. Possibly the only characteristic it will manifest is that it can "speak". (v.15) This speech will be caused by the False Prophet, who in turn will get his authority from the Antichrist and the dragon, Satan himself.

He will issue an order that all who do not worship him will be killed. Rev. 20 v.4 tells us that many will be slain by the guillotine.

Everything the false prophet does is calculated to increase the power and authority of the Antichrist. That is not surprising, for he receives his own power and authority from the Antichrist.

13:16-17 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:" "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

This is the Mark of the Beast," one of the most often quoted and least understood end time prophecies of the Bible. The word translated "Mark" means, literally, "graven." It conveys the sense of being "branded." Mark of the Beast

The custom of the Hebrews, when they took a slave for life, was to mark them by driving an awl through their ear. (see Exodus 21v.6)

In John's day, slaves were branded by their owners in a similar fashion. Accepting the mark of the Beast means you are sold into slavery, to Satan.

Without a mark, a person will be unable to engage in routine commerce. Notice here, it does not say you cannot live. It says you cannot buy or sell. DO NOT TAKE THIS MARK; Jesus will help you.

Anyone who accepts this mark during the Tribulation has already made his choice, and that choice will permanently disqualify its wearer from heaven. Remember when you get the mark you MUST swear allegiance to the Antichrist as god.

It isn't merely economic, it is a worship system. Accepting the mark is tantamount to a rejection of Jesus. This is a permanent, irreversible rejection.

Many currently worry that they will accept the mark accidentally, such as the case with national ID cards. This is not so. To accept the mark of the beast, one will knowingly agree to renounce God and to accept this mark. Without the mark, no one will be able to buy or sell and will fear they and/or their family will die. But to accept the mark means eternal death.

"If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the lamb." (Rev. 14 v.10)

13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

The False Prophet will use this mark as a means of forcing people to worship Antichrist. He will demand that everyone have his mark on their foreheads or on their hands in order to buy or sell. One can scarcely imagine the pressures of having to possess such a mark in order to secure the necessary food for his family.

There are many views on what the 666 stands for but no where is it given in the bible as to what it means exactly.

I was told by programmers when I was reading various chat groups before Y2K began that some computer programs begins with a starting coding of 666. That's why there are many who today will not receive any type of computer chip implanted into them. Nor do they want any sort of a national ID which is again is something that is computer driven.

Many think that the Antichrists name (first, middle and last) each will contain 6 letters each.

I personally believe that when that time comes, those with discernment of the Word will know exactly what it means.

We do know that to accept the mark is to accept Antichrist as God and thus deny God. Only those who walk with Christ will be able to understand why taking of this mark can not be done even if it means death to their physical body.

http://www.discoverrevelation.com/Rev_13.html

The greek for the word "mark" is "Charagma:" Which means to prick, etch, tattoo, or inject into the skin. The romans had something they did with runaway slaves. When they got them back, they'd "Mark" them with a Tesserra. It was a mark of servitude.

The mark of the beast WILL be a chip; a charagma; a tesserra to the devil's system.

We only disagree a little bit on things.

Ghost of 51:50  Wrote:

PeeDee  Wrote:

i've been on your site before, i agree with some of it but not the bar code thing. i explained why it doesnt say 666 in a barcode to you once before. if you understand how the numbering of barcodes work you would realize it doesnt say 666 in a barcode. Even if it did the number would be 6189639816 (for example) which isnt the same as 666.

13:14-15 "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live." "And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed."

The False Prophet will cause an image of the Antichrist to be built and will have power to "give breath to the image of the first beast". In the midst of the Tribulation, after the Antichrist has been slain and resurrected, the False Prophet will cause people to build an image like Nebuchadnezzar's image and will demand that it be worshiped. Nebuchadnezzar's Dream

By some mysterious means unknown in the previous history of the world, he will give life to that image. How long it will manifest life we are not told. What characteristics it will have we are not told. Possibly the only characteristic it will manifest is that it can "speak". (v.15) This speech will be caused by the False Prophet, who in turn will get his authority from the Antichrist and the dragon, Satan himself.

He will issue an order that all who do not worship him will be killed. Rev. 20 v.4 tells us that many will be slain by the guillotine.

Everything the false prophet does is calculated to increase the power and authority of the Antichrist. That is not surprising, for he receives his own power and authority from the Antichrist.

13:16-17 "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:" "And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

This is the Mark of the Beast," one of the most often quoted and least understood end time prophecies of the Bible. The word translated "Mark" means, literally, "graven." It conveys the sense of being "branded." Mark of the Beast

The custom of the Hebrews, when they took a slave for life, was to mark them by driving an awl through their ear. (see Exodus 21v.6)

In John's day, slaves were branded by their owners in a similar fashion. Accepting the mark of the Beast means you are sold into slavery, to Satan.

Without a mark, a person will be unable to engage in routine commerce. Notice here, it does not say you cannot live. It says you cannot buy or sell. DO NOT TAKE THIS MARK; Jesus will help you.

Anyone who accepts this mark during the Tribulation has already made his choice, and that choice will permanently disqualify its wearer from heaven. Remember when you get the mark you MUST swear allegiance to the Antichrist as god.

It isn't merely economic, it is a worship system. Accepting the mark is tantamount to a rejection of Jesus. This is a permanent, irreversible rejection.

Many currently worry that they will accept the mark accidentally, such as the case with national ID cards. This is not so. To accept the mark of the beast, one will knowingly agree to renounce God and to accept this mark. Without the mark, no one will be able to buy or sell and will fear they and/or their family will die. But to accept the mark means eternal death.

"If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or upon his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the lamb." (Rev. 14 v.10)

13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six.

The False Prophet will use this mark as a means of forcing people to worship Antichrist. He will demand that everyone have his mark on their foreheads or on their hands in order to buy or sell. One can scarcely imagine the pressures of having to possess such a mark in order to secure the necessary food for his family.

There are many views on what the 666 stands for but no where is it given in the bible as to what it means exactly.

I was told by programmers when I was reading various chat groups before Y2K began that some computer programs begins with a starting coding of 666. That's why there are many who today will not receive any type of computer chip implanted into them. Nor do they want any sort of a national ID which is again is something that is computer driven.

Many think that the Antichrists name (first, middle and last) each will contain 6 letters each.

I personally believe that when that time comes, those with discernment of the Word will know exactly what it means.

We do know that to accept the mark is to accept Antichrist as God and thus deny God. Only those who walk with Christ will be able to understand why taking of this mark can not be done even if it means death to their physical body.

http://www.discoverrevelation.com/Rev_13.html

The greek for the word "mark" is "Charagma:" Which means to prick, etch, tattoo, or inject into the skin. The romans had something they did with runaway slaves. When they got them back, they'd "Mark" them with a Tesserra. It was a mark of servitude.

The mark of the beast WILL be a chip; a charagma; a tesserra to the devil's system.

We only disagree a little bit on things.

We do only disagree on small things. I find this topic extremely interesting. Let me repost something -

It isn't merely economic, it is a worship system. Accepting the mark is tantamount to a rejection of Jesus. This is a permanent, irreversible rejection.

Many currently worry that they will accept the mark accidentally, such as the case with national ID cards. This is not so. To accept the mark of the beast, one will knowingly agree to renounce God and to accept this mark. Without the mark, no one will be able to buy or sell and will fear they and/or their family will die. But to accept the mark means eternal death.


I believe this to be true, now a chip could be the mark since you must knowingly decide to take it, but what if some doctor injects it into you while you are passed out in the ER?? I don't believe you would be damned to hell for passing out at the hospital. I would never let someone implant anything on my body though...

Do me a favor op check out this movie sometime, its low budget but you should enjoy it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0257408/

When i think of the mark this is kinda what i think it will be like. I hope you check it out

PeeDee  Wrote:

Ghost of 51:50  Wrote:

The greek for the word "mark" is "Charagma:" Which means to prick, etch, tattoo, or inject into the skin. The romans had something they did with runaway slaves. When they got them back, they'd "Mark" them with a Tesserra. It was a mark of servitude.

The mark of the beast WILL be a chip; a charagma; a tesserra to the devil's system.

We only disagree a little bit on things.

We do only disagree on small things. I find this topic extremely interesting. Let me repost something -

It isn't merely economic, it is a worship system. Accepting the mark is tantamount to a rejection of Jesus. This is a permanent, irreversible rejection.

Many currently worry that they will accept the mark accidentally, such as the case with national ID cards. This is not so. To accept the mark of the beast, one will knowingly agree to renounce God and to accept this mark. Without the mark, no one will be able to buy or sell and will fear they and/or their family will die. But to accept the mark means eternal death.


I believe this to be true, now a chip could be the mark since you must knowingly decide to take it, but what if some doctor injects it into you while you are passed out in the ER?? I don't believe you would be damned to hell for passing out at the hospital. I would never let someone implant anything on my body though...

Do me a favor op check out this movie sometime, its low budget but you should enjoy it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0257408/

When i think of the mark this is kinda what i think it will be like. I hope you check it out

Cool. I will check it out. I think a person can be chipped without their knowledge and that's not taking the mark of the beast. I believe that if they offer a later option of linking it to every database in the world and using it to show their allegience to antichrist and "lucifer" then that's where they'll be damned.

Of course this is speculation on my part. Sad part it, for something so important, the Bible doesnt' say much about it.

You'd think God would of let John go into greater detail about it, considering it is the 2nd unpardonable sin. Revelation 14: 9-11 KJV

But, right now, humanity is so wicked, I'm sure they'll gladly accept the mark. Especially if it means keeping their food stamps, or SSI, or Benefits or to get a pay day.

Ghost of 51:50  Wrote:

PeeDee  Wrote:

We do only disagree on small things. I find this topic extremely interesting. Let me repost something -

It isn't merely economic, it is a worship system. Accepting the mark is tantamount to a rejection of Jesus. This is a permanent, irreversible rejection.

Many currently worry that they will accept the mark accidentally, such as the case with national ID cards. This is not so. To accept the mark of the beast, one will knowingly agree to renounce God and to accept this mark. Without the mark, no one will be able to buy or sell and will fear they and/or their family will die. But to accept the mark means eternal death.


I believe this to be true, now a chip could be the mark since you must knowingly decide to take it, but what if some doctor injects it into you while you are passed out in the ER?? I don't believe you would be damned to hell for passing out at the hospital. I would never let someone implant anything on my body though...

Do me a favor op check out this movie sometime, its low budget but you should enjoy it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0257408/

When i think of the mark this is kinda what i think it will be like. I hope you check it out

Cool. I will check it out. I think a person can be chipped without their knowledge and that's not taking the mark of the beast. I believe that if they offer a later option of linking it to every database in the world and using it to show their allegience to antichrist and "lucifer" then that's where they'll be damned.

Of course this is speculation on my part. Sad part it, for something so important, the Bible doesnt' say much about it.

You'd think God would of let John go into greater detail about it, considering it is the 2nd unpardonable sin. Revelation 14: 9-11 KJV

But, right now, humanity is so wicked, I'm sure they'll gladly accept the mark. Especially if it means keeping their food stamps, or SSI, or Benefits or to get a pay day.

The reason i think much isn't said about this is b/c we will all know. You must renounce God and worship the beast and/or take his mark. No need to tell us much about the mark you will know and the number of the mark is the number of man 666... The mark doesn't get enforced until after 3 1/2 years into the tribulation correct?? maybe it's not the mark yet but once the anti-christ comes he will use it somehow. maybe even making it the mark itself.. All i know is i won't get one no matter what i think its invasive at the very least. i don't even have a tattoo!

PeeDee  Wrote:

Ghost of 51:50  Wrote:

Cool. I will check it out. I think a person can be chipped without their knowledge and that's not taking the mark of the beast. I believe that if they offer a later option of linking it to every database in the world and using it to show their allegience to antichrist and "lucifer" then that's where they'll be damned.

Of course this is speculation on my part. Sad part it, for something so important, the Bible doesnt' say much about it.

You'd think God would of let John go into greater detail about it, considering it is the 2nd unpardonable sin. Revelation 14: 9-11 KJV

But, right now, humanity is so wicked, I'm sure they'll gladly accept the mark. Especially if it means keeping their food stamps, or SSI, or Benefits or to get a pay day.

The reason i think much isn't said about this is b/c we will all know. You must renounce God and worship the beast and/or take his mark. No need to tell us much about the mark you will know and the number of the mark is the number of man 666... The mark doesn't get enforced until after 3 1/2 years into the tribulation correct?? maybe it's not the mark yet but once the anti-christ comes he will use it somehow. maybe even making it the mark itself.. All i know is i won't get one no matter what i think its invasive at the very least. i don't even have a tattoo!

We're not too sure on the time line when the mark will be enforced, but, to me, I believe were already in the tribulation. See, tribulation doesn't mean wrath of God. It means pressure. Pressure that satan will put on Christians and prevail against them. Daniel 7:21; Revelation 13: 7 KJV. The day of the LORD is the wrath of God. It will last 3 and 1/2 years. Preachers I believe gets it wrong saying the tribulation lasts 7 years. It doesn't. I do know two things: One, there is no pretribulation rapture and that's false doctrine and two, I think we're so close to it all going down, it isnt' funny.

And one more thing: I believe so called Preachers will have a lot to answer for for not telilng their flocks about what's really about to happen to them. But, most of them are only in it for the $$.

i remembered this link, its long but i watched the entire thing it presents alot of pre trib support. Never close your mind to an idea like the rapture b/c there's not 100 percent proof for pre, mid or post trib so why make a stand for one without the proof. I could present evidence for all three using scripture. I don't think we are to know which it is but to just be ready at all times. take the time to watch if you want to learn more about the subject

I dropped a can of Heineken on my big toe two weeks ago, and the bruise it formed is a perfect, dark-purple pyramid, so I assume this means I am Illuminatus now. I look forward to culling you sheep.