Post: #76

KlLLUMINATI  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

KlLLUMINATI  Wrote:

Thats an argument from ignorance. The universe always existed and does not need a creator.

That's just not what the Bible says, and it is not what we find in science. You have the belief in contradiction.

There are several ways to date the entire universe that indicate a biblical young age. The entire universe would date to the same age as the earth and as the galaxies since they all began at the same time, whether one believes the biblical account or big bangism.

show me how you can pinpoint the moment of the beginning of the universe

http://ned.ipac.caltech.edu/help/cosmology_calc.html

Post: #77

Aqua  Wrote:

The mere fact that DNA has the ability to not only replicate itself using machine like qualities, something DAWKINS admits to not knowing the hows and whys of that little miracle... but DNA also has the uncanny ability to adapt itself to meet the ever changing needs of the biological organism in response to it's environment.


ponder that incredible process and the implications of that fact alone.

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Post: #78

nosmos  Wrote:

Things evolve, but a precedent for evolution is based on the need to adapt - this can only occur when a situation calls for it, ie. major shifts in climate. Many animals evolve and adapt - we do to, through cultural means. Punctuated Equilibrium is a more valid approach.
Fact is, evolution does occur because the Earth regularly experiences great catastrophes

Did not read prior posts but I assume you know that the THEORY of Uniformitarianism is what Darwin based his THEORY of Evolution upon. The mother of Dr Lyell, Dawin's primary mentor, was killed in a stagecoach accident when Lyell was a child.
It is thought that this childhood trauma is what predisposed Lyell to this baseless theory; that all systems that have ever been active in the world are still active and active at approximately the same level/rate/intensity.

Your SALTATORY EVOLUTION THEORY/PUNCTUATED EQUiLIBRIUM THEORY was postulated as a PATCH for Evolution by Stephen Jay Gould when Darwin's THEORY was approaching it's 100 year anniversary.
Darwin said the fossil record would prove or disprove his THEORY in 100 years and the fossil record was clearly DISPROVING Darwin's THEORY.
AND .... the THEORY OF UNIFORMITARIANISM was completely destoryed by 1980 when Stephen Jay Gould postulated Saltatory Evolution.
(I'm SURE it was an oversight on Steve's part when he did not credit Immanuel Velikovsky for completely destroying the THEORY OF UNIFOMITARIANISM 30 YEARS EARLIER IN EARTH IN UPHEAVAL. LOL! Scientists are SO above politics and are SO honest and non bias in their evaluations.)

What MOST adherents to the THEORY OF EVOLUTION don't know, and those that do don't tell, is that the fossil record's is pretty much completely MISSING LINKS!
All those chain links that artists draw for books DO NOT EXIST.
The few areas that the fossil record does APPEAR to link are the VERY RARE EXCEPTIONS
What DOES EXIST is gradation of different forms of life that would be expected IF THERE WAS A CATACLYSMIC FLOOD.
Anyone who has ever gold panned knows how this works.... obviously most EVOLUTIONARY SCIENTISTS have not gold panned!

What else do they not tell you?
That they age rocks by the fossils that are in them.
And how do they age fossils?
They age them by the rocks they occur in!
Do you see the problem boys and girls?
Sorry dude, my 6 year old grandson could figger out the problem with this.... but..... my grandson IS a pretty smart little kid.

Up through the 60s they still taught that "gill slits" on the human fetus was evidence of evolution.
"SCIENTISTS" claimed that the fetus' development mirrored evolution.

Even Hawking admitted that the many problems with evolution...including NOT ENOUGH TIME..... might mean life was seeded on earth by

ALIENS!!!
Still does not explain where Aliens came from.... how they evolved.
Perhaps they were seeded by other aliens... and they by OTHER aliens, and......
All he did was put the problems off into the universe making it impossible to study.
Pretty sly that Dr Hawking guy.... but he never addressed that the Second LAW of Thermodynamics is that things tend toward DISORDER.
Therefore more time => more disorder!

But I AM impressed that you even know about the term PUNCTUATED EQUILIBRIUM.. ONLY TOOK 30 YEARS TO START TEACHING IT.
Do they teach these higher level concepts in graduate school?

The truth of it is that adaption and natural selection DO OCCUR... but these do not cause new species to develop.
The settlers killed off all the Mexican Gray Wolves in souther New Mexico in the early 20th century.
Later the Rocky Mountain Gray Wolves populated this same area 'till they were wiped out.
10 years ago, Game Biologists in their great wisdom and intelligence reintroduced the Rocky Mountain Gray Wolf.... even though the Mexican Gray Wolf was already NATURALLY repopulating the area.
The idiots did not even have a good inventory of their biosystem!
So here my dear student friend we have natural selection and UNnatural selection.... but no new species.

All that I have written can be summed up by doing one simple thing.
Stretch out your arm and look at your hand.
Now open and close your hand, pronate and supinate your hand, spread your fingers close your fingers, you can even pick your nose if you like.
NOW tell yourself that your hand was not designed.
If you can do that you are stupid... simply stupid..... and educated beyond your intelligence.

Post: #79

LoP Guest  Wrote:

nosmos  Wrote:

Things evolve, but a precedent for evolution is based on the need to adapt - this can only occur when a situation calls for it, ie. major shifts in climate. Many animals evolve and adapt - we do to, through cultural means. Punctuated Equilibrium is a more valid approach.
Fact is, evolution does occur because the Earth regularly experiences great catastrophes

Did not read prior posts but I assume you know that the THEORY of Uniformitarianism is what Darwin based his THEORY of Evolution upon. The mother of Dr Lyell, Dawin's primary mentor, was killed in a stagecoach accident when Lyell was a child.
It is thought that this childhood trauma is what predisposed Lyell to this baseless theory; that all systems that have ever been active in the world are still active and active at approximately the same level/rate/intensity.

Your SALTATORY EVOLUTION THEORY/PUNCTUATED EQUiLIBRIUM THEORY was postulated as a PATCH for Evolution by Stephen Jay Gould when Darwin's THEORY was approaching it's 100 year anniversary.
Darwin said the fossil record would prove or disprove his THEORY in 100 years and the fossil record was clearly DISPROVING Darwin's THEORY.
AND .... the THEORY OF UNIFORMITARIANISM was completely destoryed by 1980 when Stephen Jay Gould postulated Saltatory Evolution.
(I'm SURE it was an oversight on Steve's part when he did not credit Immanuel Velikovsky for completely destroying the THEORY OF UNIFOMITARIANISM 30 YEARS EARLIER IN EARTH IN UPHEAVAL. LOL! Scientists are SO above politics and are SO honest and non bias in their evaluations.)

What MOST adherents to the THEORY OF EVOLUTION don't know, and those that do don't tell, is that the fossil record's is pretty much completely MISSING LINKS!
All those chain links that artists draw for books DO NOT EXIST.
The few areas that the fossil record does APPEAR to link are the VERY RARE EXCEPTIONS
What DOES EXIST is gradation of different forms of life that would be expected IF THERE WAS A CATACLYSMIC FLOOD.
Anyone who has ever gold panned knows how this works.... obviously most EVOLUTIONARY SCIENTISTS have not gold panned!

What else do they not tell you?
That they age rocks by the fossils that are in them.
And how do they age fossils?
They age them by the rocks they occur in!
Do you see the problem boys and girls?
Sorry dude, my 6 year old grandson could figger out the problem with this.... but..... my grandson IS a pretty smart little kid.

Up through the 60s they still taught that "gill slits" on the human fetus was evidence of evolution.
"SCIENTISTS" claimed that the fetus' development mirrored evolution.

Even Hawking admitted that the many problems with evolution...including NOT ENOUGH TIME..... might mean life was seeded on earth by

ALIENS!!!
Still does not explain where Aliens came from.... how they evolved.
Perhaps they were seeded by other aliens... and they by OTHER aliens, and......
All he did was put the problems off into the universe making it impossible to study.
Pretty sly that Dr Hawking guy.... but he never addressed that the Second LAW of Thermodynamics is that things tend toward DISORDER.
Therefore more time => more disorder!

But I AM impressed that you even know about the term PUNCTUATED EQUILIBRIUM.. ONLY TOOK 30 YEARS TO START TEACHING IT.
Do they teach these higher level concepts in graduate school?

The truth of it is that adaption and natural selection DO OCCUR... but these do not cause new species to develop.
The settlers killed off all the Mexican Gray Wolves in souther New Mexico in the early 20th century.
Later the Rocky Mountain Gray Wolves populated this same area 'till they were wiped out.
10 years ago, Game Biologists in their great wisdom and intelligence reintroduced the Rocky Mountain Gray Wolf.... even though the Mexican Gray Wolf was already NATURALLY repopulating the area.
The idiots did not even have a good inventory of their biosystem!
So here my dear student friend we have natural selection and UNnatural selection.... but no new species.

All that I have written can be summed up by doing one simple thing.
Stretch out your arm and look at your hand.
Now open and close your hand, pronate and supinate your hand, spread your fingers close your fingers, you can even pick your nose if you like.
NOW tell yourself that your hand was not designed.
If you can do that you are stupid... simply stupid..... and educated beyond your intelligence.

Sorry I mean't Dawkins not Hawking.

Post: #80

WHERE ARE THE "YOUNG EARTH PEOPLE"?

Post: #81

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Post: #84

LoP Guest  Wrote:

If a MIND is needed to create a cosmos, which I don't see why that would be needed. But if that is true, then why is evolution false?

This MIND can make self organizing molecules, like proteins and stuff, that self organize into cells. And cells work together to create bigger and bigger colonies we call organs and organism.

A MIND could have thought of a way to have evolution.

Evolution is change due to the killing of of the weaker organism.
It is natural selection. It is there, f*cking accept it.
You may still believe there is a creator of the cosmos. Or a source.

Because the MIND that you speak of set forth LAWS.
The SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS says things tend toward disorder.
These self replicating organisms would not tend toward MORE ORDER or HIGHER FORMS OF LIFE.... they would tend toward the opposite.
In other words the MIND would be breaking his own laws he set forth if the organisms evolved.
Not much of a mind if he did that.... and certainly not elegant.
The mind would not CREATE an inelegant world if he was going to the trouble to CREATE A WORLD.

Post: #85

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Ha! That may be your belief but it has never been observed or repeated in a lab i.e. science.

The monkey has many extinct species is all we see in the fossil record. No monkey has ever produced another species of monkey. The same is true of man, the bear, dogs, ect, ect. Man is as unrelated to the monkey as the dog from the bear.

Ah yes... extinct monkey forms... the evolutionist's favorite.
Many extinct monkey forms have been inappropriately forced to walk upright by paleontologist in order to make them into MISSING LINKS!!!
There is money and prestige in finding HUMAN missing links.
THIS is the SCIENTIFIC METHOD that our evolutionist friends look up to.
About as ethical as Bernie Madoff.

Post: #86

Blue Waffle  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Ha! That may be your belief but it has never been observed or repeated in a lab i.e. science.

The monkey has many extinct species is all we see in the fossil record. No monkey has ever produced another species of monkey. The same is true of man, the bear, dogs, ect, ect. Man is as unrelated to the monkey as the dog from the bear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi8FfMBYCkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1fGkFuHIu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBL6U4hrWc

Post: #87

LoP Guest  Wrote:

NOBODY DENIES ADAPTATION -- THIS IS NOT EVOLUTION

The Laws of Genetics established by Mendel everyone agrees with. There is a limit to genetics and adaptation. NEVER has a trans-genus evolution been observed. We have observed many generations of the bacteria and it remains bacteria -- always. Proof there is nooo evolution.

Genetics: no friend of evolution
A highly qualified biologist tells it like it is.
by Lane Lester

Genetics and evolution have been enemies from the beginning of both concepts. Gregor Mendel, the father of genetics, and Charles Darwin, the father of modern evolution, were contemporaries. At the same time that Darwin was claiming that creatures could change into other creatures, Mendel was showing that even individual characteristics remain constant. While Darwin’s ideas were based on erroneous and untested ideas about inheritance, Mendel’s conclusions were based on careful experimentation. Only by ignoring the total implications of modern genetics has it been possible to maintain the fiction of evolution.

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