Post: #151

Ozymandias  Wrote:

Reading this thread is like watching a Downs-Syndrome gangbang.

Yeah. Truly. But the Downs-Sydrome person is innocent, and doesn't derve the abuse.

Birdie-shill, on the other hand... Line 'em up!

Post: #152

Disturbed nli  Wrote:

Right, but she is deferring to her husband's experience. Because he worked in the nuke plants mail room or something.

Ya know what eats me up the worst?

The attitude wherein "f*ck Japan. As long as it doesn't affect mememememememe" is prevalent.

That and the fact that we have a large number of these goddamn things positioned around the planet… but hey, shit has only gone pear for three of 'em in the last (roughly) thirty years. What's the worst that could happen?

Post: #153

Birdie is a joke about this hole we are all in. It is appropriate because you are in on this crazy belief system that we are all stupid and Birdie knows everything. Theses graphs and charts are all BS they are fixed and so is the broadcasts. games.. This is a completely useless topic.

Post: #154

birdie  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Why all the hatred and conflict? this is why nuclear plants were created in the first place. No one can be an expert and Birdie you are over the top obnoxious and self righteous about this apparently you are scared because this would not be such a battle! Give it up there is no solution to this. We don't know, your husband and his friend don't know and Japan doesn't even know... !!! We are in a very bad place in time and I feel aweful if you are scared and pregnant. Anyone who has children would of course defend this aweful scenerio to the end.
I have a child. This post is gotten so ridiculous and the more you talk Birdie about your expert husband, the more people are thinking this is a fake person. Anyone with that much experience will not display they know everything, especially about Fukushima.

You need to get a grip.

No one here has said they "know everything."

What was said by the nuclear engineer Rod Adams in the OP and my nuclear engineer husband is that the hysteria being whipped up on the internet by folks like you is OUT OF LINE and NOT in line with the laws of physics and the reality of our physical world.

Stop attacking me personally just because you want to wallow in some weird fear of the unknown that you yourself are making up.

And piss off - me and hubby are real people and Astrochik can prove it...LOL.

I have not followed this too closely today but a little bit and I know Birdie is not being paid by anybody to post this unless she's some strange double agent and she's got me fooled. She's a nice lady - very helpful and sweet. We met for beers and sandwiches last week and had a nice time talking about all kinds of interesting stuff.

I love meeting with LoPsters - I would meet up with any of you for a beer

that's a fun feature, kind of like a pop up book!

Post: #155

Monkeyfister - You give absolutely no evidence or science of any kind whatsoever to show how the radiation would reach America to negatively affect anyone over 5,500 miles away in the US.

None.

The only comeback you have is to call me a "shill" just because I happen to agree with the men who are actually trained in this particular field.

You lose.

Oh wait a minute - is everyone in Europe dead? Because you know they had a big accident there in 1986. I guess everyone must be dead.

Post: #156

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Yeah I dunno. As far as I can tell this is a closed-loop biosphere. And seeing as some (read: lots) of radioactive shite was/is/continues to be expelled into the biosphere via both air and ocean current, and that the expelled contaminant has a half-life upwards of 100,000 years…

That's going to create problems. Probably not ELE type problems… but big f*cking problems. What kind of loon would suggest different?

Oh yeh.

Quote: Pro-nuclear advocate with small nuclear plant operating and design experience. Former submarine Engineer Officer. Founder, Adams Atomic Engines, Inc. Host and producer, The Atomic Show Podcast. Resume available here. View all posts by Rod Adams

big shock. A dude with a vested interest saying "nothing to worry about".

Hey do you think he heard the one about the Italian nuclear scientist losing his knee caps?

Lolz. Laugh? Yeh I'm still f*cking laughing.

Get some f*cking knee armor, dood.

f*cking crackheads.

+ 1

Post: #157

There is evidence of higher than safe acceptable levels of radiation that have been found in various regions of North America in the last year.
Ionizing radiation and inhaled or ingested radionuclide particles have occurred in the US, and people will contract cancer from this, some will die.
For you to say that there is no risk, no danger or hazard is a lie.
I think you should reconsider your position on this.
It is wrong to spread disinformation.
I pledge to make it a personal mission that one day there will be retrospective justice for people who intentionally, willingly, and knowingly spread false information that caused harm to others though actions or deliberate inaction.

If a person might drown do you throw them a floatation device?
Tell them to move into the shallow water?
Or do you just walk away?
Or do you stand there and tell them that the water is not dangerous?

Post: #158

true2U  Wrote:

Birdie is a joke about this hole we are all in. It is appropriate because you are in on this crazy belief system that we are all stupid and Birdie knows everything. Theses graphs and charts are all BS they are fixed and so is the broadcasts. games.. This is a completely useless topic.

it's not useless because, imo, this is the third strike for these blowhards. they're a bunch of corner-cutting fuckups who shouldn't be allowed to play with a box of matches.

Post: #159

Astrochik  Wrote:

Monkeyfister  Wrote:

Birdie is a known far-rightwinger. Stands to reason she'll shill for the Nuclear Industry.

she's no shill, she honestly believes the information she's presenting is true, and only posted this to try to alleviate people's fears about the fuel pools catching on fire or exploding.

Quit attacking her, it's not productive. I have been "studying" this nuclear crap since before Fuku. I do not claim to be an expert by any means, but I was interested in chernobyl and had been researching it and the fallout. It was because I read somewhere that you should not eat food imported from certain areas (such as turkish apricots, if I recall correctly) since they were contaminated by Chernobyl fallout. I also found out that in Germany in some areas, people who hunt wild boar must take the boar into a govt office to have it tested for cesium and if it's high, they pay them for it...

I found this map.



Greece and Turkey got hammered as far as deposition goes. the plume went certain places and it "fell out" more randomly due to weather and local conditions..

So, how does this justify her shilling?

You just proved my point. This is every bit as serious-- more so in scale and quantity of contaminated materials-- as Chernobyl.

The Japanese Government is still in full Denial Mode, and certainly isn't the Soviet Dictatorship capable of ordering thousands of people in to clean up the situation, and then die of cancer. So... it will go on and on and on, and on, until the next big quake brings down those crumbling reactor buildings.

I am NOT going to back down.

And I'm not attacking, I am defending innocent people from a transparent, and dangerously ignorant shill attack by Birdie. Get it straight.

Post: #160

There are millions of people dead from Chernobyl and due to cancer from the radiation. These are facts that cannot be ignored.

Post: #161

birdie  Wrote:

Oh wait a minute - is everyone in Europe dead? Because you know they had a big accident there in 1986. I guess everyone must be dead.

The reason was the Soviets had their military promptly encase the reactor building in a cement sarcophagus. Why do you suppose that was necessary?

Post: #162

Map shows Japan is 5000 miles closer to the US then Ukraine for any prevailing westerly winds. And if radioactive stuff gets high enough over Japan then winds can take it here as they did them fire balloons in WW2. Kept secret by the media for many year too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon

Post: #163

birdie  Wrote:

You give absolutely no evidence or science of any kind whatsoever to show how the radiation would reach America to negatively affect anyone over 5,500 miles away in the US.

None.

The only comeback you have is to call me a "shill" just because I happen to agree with the men who are actually trained in this particular field.

You lose.

Oh wait a minute - is everyone in Europe dead? Because you know they had a big accident there in 1986. I guess everyone must be dead.

Hey girl don't let them get you upset. I know how it is they always attack me with my webbot stuff and say I shill for clif...

I tend to agree that the radiation that has already fallen both from Chernobyl, and Fuku has been substantial, and the people it fell on didn't and don't appreciate it. Their/our health will not be enhanced by it, either.

There have been readings by our own govt, before they shut it down (making use CTs think it's worse, not better, as they claim) that make it clear that some Fukushima radiation has gotten on us here in the USA, and other areas, especially Canada. Alaska appears to be suffering the worst from it since we have reports of the salmon being contaminated with cesium and they have polar bears and seals and flight attendants getting ill and having hair loss, lesions and rashes. Maybe it's not all from Fukushima, but I'm not so quick to say it's not. I'm a CT dammit!! I don't just go for the easy doom-free explanation. I don't assume the govt is telling the truth. It's not like them. They always lie about the big stuff.

I will be cautiously optimistic that the SFPs are not as bad as some are making it out to be, and I considered that to be the topic of this thread.

Post: #164

17:17  Wrote:

its only a huge problem for the whole country of Japan and the seas surrounding.

I really don't give a shit about the possible consequences for the rest of the world on this matter.

Then you'll be relieved to know:

Fukushima: Mark 1 Nuclear Reactor Design Caused GE Scientist To Quit In Protest

Thirty-five years ago, Dale G. Bridenbaugh and two of his colleagues at General Electric resigned from their jobs after becoming increasingly convinced that the nuclear reactor design they were reviewing -- the Mark 1 -- was so flawed it could lead to a devastating accident.

Questions persisted for decades about the ability of the Mark 1 to handle the immense pressures that would result if the reactor lost cooling power, and today that design is being put to the ultimate test in Japan. Five of the six reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, which has been wracked since Friday's earthquake with explosions and radiation leaks, are Mark 1s... http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fukushima-...d=13141287

U.S. nuclear plants similar to Japan plant in peril

Mar 12, 2011

Japan's Fukushima Daiichi Unit 1 reactor that had an explosion and radiation release was a General Electric Co (GE.N) Mark 1 boiling water reactor type.

There are 23 GE Mark 1 reactors operating at U.S. nuclear
power plants... http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/1...2120110312

HAZARDS OF BOILING WATER REACTORS IN THE UNITED STATES

BACKGROUND

Of the 104 operational nuclear power reactors in the United States, thirty-five are boiling water reactors (BWR). General Electric is the sole designer and manufacturer of BWRs in the United States. The BWR's distinguishing feature is that the reactor vessel serves as the boiler for the nuclear steam supply system. The steam is generated in the reactor vessel by the controlled fissioning of enriched uranium fuel which passes directly to the turbogenerator to generate electricity.

LACK OF CONTAINMENT INTEGRITY DURING A NUCLEAR ACCIDENT

The purpose of a reactor containment system is to create a barrier against the release of radioactivity generated during nuclear power operations from certain "design basis" accidents, such as increased pressure from a single pipe break. It is important to understand that nuclear power plants are not required by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) to remain intact as a barrier to all possible accidents or "non-design basis" accidents, such as the melting of reactor fuel. All nuclear reactors can have accidents which can exceed the design basis of their containment.

But even basic questions about the the GE containment design remain unanswered and its integrity in serious doubt. For example, 23 of these BWRs use a smaller GE Mark I pressure suppression containment conceived as a cost-saving alternative to the larger reinforced concrete containments marketed by competitors. A large inverted light-bulb-shaped steel structure called "the drywell" is constructed of a steel liner and a concrete drywell shield wall enclosing the reactor vessel--this is considered the "primary" containment.. The atmosphere of the drywell is connected through large diameter pipes to a large hollow doughnut-shaped pressure suppression pool called "the torus", or wetwell, which is half-filled with water. In the event of a loss-of-coolant-accident (LOCA), steam would be released into the drywell and directed underwater in the torus where it is supposed to condense, thus suppressing a pressure buildup in the containment.

The outer concrete building is the "secondary" containment and is smaller and less robust (and thus cheaper to build) than the containment buildings used at most reactors.

As early as 1972, Dr. Stephen Hanauer, an Atomic Energy Commission safety official, recommended that the pressure suppression system be discontinued and any further designs not be accepted for construction permits. Hanauer's boss, Joseph Hendrie (later an NRC Commissioner) essentially agreed with Hanauer, but denied the recommendation on the grounds that it could end the nuclear power industry in the U.S.

Here are copies of the three original AEC memos, including Hendrie's:

November 11, 1971: outlines problems with the design and pressure suppression system containment.

September 20, 1972: memo from Steven Hanauer recommends that U.S. stop licensing reactors using pressure suppression system

September 25, 1972: memo from Joseph Hendrie (top safety official at AEC) agrees with recommendation but rejects it saying it "could well mean the end of nuclear power..."

In 1976, three General Electric nuclear engineers publicly resigned their prestigious positions citing dangerous shortcomings in the GE design.

An NRC analysis of the potential failure of the Mark I under accident conditions concluded in a 1985 report that Mark I failure within the first few hours following core melt would appear rather likely."

In 1986, Harold Denton, then the NRC's top safety official, told an industry trade group that the "Mark I containment, especially being smaller with lower design pressure, in spite of the suppression pool, if you look at the WASH 1400 safety study, you'll find something like a 90% probability of that containment failing." In order to protect the Mark I containment from a total rupture it was determined necessary to vent any high pressure buildup. As a result, an industry workgroup designed and installed the "direct torus vent system" at all Mark I reactors. Operated from the control room, the vent is a reinforced pipe installed in the torus and designed to release radioactive high pressure steam generated in a severe accident by allowing the unfiltered release directly to the atmosphere through the 300 foot vent stack. Reactor operators now have the option by direct action to expose the public and the environment to unknown amounts of harmful radiation in order to "save containment." As a result of GE's design deficiency, the original idea for a passive containment system has been dangerously compromised and given over to human control with all its associated risks of error and technical failure... http://www.nirs.org/factsheets/bwrfact.htm

Post: #165

Astrochik  Wrote:

She's a nice lady - very helpful and sweet.

Also very pretty!!

Aw, shucks... Thank you, Astrochik!