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**Kill the Matrix**

birdie Wrote:

Monkeyfister - You give absolutely no evidence or science of any kind whatsoever to show how the radiation would reach America to negatively affect anyone over 5,500 miles away in the US.

None.

The only comeback you have is to call me a "shill" just because I happen to agree with the men who are actually trained in this particular field.

You lose.

Oh wait a minute - is everyone in Europe dead? Because you know they had a big accident there in 1986. I guess everyone must be dead.

You do realize that hundreds of thousands of people were "sacrificed" to bring that under control, right?

**GeekOfTheWeek**

birdie Wrote:

While the Fukushima nuclear disaster will always be a big problem for the Japanese, it is definitely NOT the threat to the US or other countries that certain internet outlets are trying to make it.

Good article:

http://atomicinsights.com/2012/05/debunk...fable.html

Ever see the movie "on the beach" ???? Guess not, I suggest you watch it, and see what happens when nuclear fallout starts, as in ie: when those cooling ponds catch fire...

**Astrochik**

Monkeyfister Wrote:

Astrochik Wrote:
Monkeyfister Wrote:
Birdie is a known far-rightwinger. Stands to reason she'll shill for the Nuclear Industry.

she's no shill, she honestly believes the information she's presenting is true, and only posted this to try to alleviate people's fears about the fuel pools catching on fire or exploding.

Quit attacking her, it's not productive. I have been "studying" this nuclear crap since before Fuku. I do not claim to be an expert by any means, but I was interested in chernobyl and had been researching it and the fallout. It was because I read somewhere that you should not eat food imported from certain areas (such as turkish apricots, if I recall correctly) since they were contaminated by Chernobyl fallout. I also found out that in Germany in some areas, people who hunt wild boar must take the boar into a govt office to have it tested for cesium and if it's high, they pay them for it...

I found this map.

Greece and Turkey got hammered as far as deposition goes. the plume went certain places and it "fell out" more randomly due to weather and local conditions..

So, how does this justify her shilling?

You just proved my point. This is every bit as serious-- more so in scale and quantity of contaminated materials-- as Chernobyl.

The Japanese Government is still in full Denial Mode, and certainly isn't the Soviet Dictatorship capable of ordering thousands of people in to clean up the situation, and then die of cancer. So... it will go on and on and on, and on, until the next big quake brings down those crumbling reactor buildings.

I am NOT going to back down.

And I'm not attacking, I am defending innocent people from a transparent, and dangerously ignorant shill attack by Birdie. Get it straight.

I agree that this is a terrible situation, and totally unnecessary, to make it worse. We've shit in our own punchbowl, now we have to drink it.

Makes me very angry and upset. I do hope that the information about the less likelihood of the SPENT fuel being a problem is correct. I know she HONESTLY believes, and so does her husband, that this is not possible so we should not worry about it (at least not so much)

I don't agree that she's shilling. And I do not agree that the dispersion makes all the radiation harmless. I hope it is not going to get worse. I am still extremely concerned that the cores are uncontained, and we've already been exposed to a lot and the oceans are constantly being bombarded with additional radioactive cooling water. Bio-accumulation is also a big deal, and that will make pacific seafood and seaweeds suspect till proven safe to consume.

**Monkeyfister** · (This post was last modified: 05-17-2012 04:24 AM by Monkeyfister.)

birdie Wrote:

Monkeyfister - You give absolutely no evidence or science of any kind whatsoever to show how the radiation would reach America to negatively affect anyone over 5,500 miles away in the US.

None.

The only comeback you have is to call me a "shill" just because I happen to agree with the men who are actually trained in this particular field.

You lose.

Oh wait a minute - is everyone in Europe dead? Because you know they had a big accident there in 1986. I guess everyone must be dead.

There are plenty of Radiation (Cesium and Iodine) Spread Models readily available, and every week, they are updated. Here's NHK, showing one such model last year. They are readily accessible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BIFbJgHxrY

Thousands of people have died, and continue to die from Chernobyl. Cancer rates are soaring still. I'm not going to do your homework for you, all the data is readily available via google, and last year, I spent days on end at TOP monitoring, and gathering every stitch of available data on it. To try and all of a sudden say it's no big whoop, is bogus on its face.

Admiral Rickover is known the World Wide, as the "Father Of The US Nuclear Navy." He introduced the Navy BWR to the Fleet via USS Enterprise (CVN-65), and the first nuclear-powered subs. He, himself, extolled the stable virtues of the Shipboard reactors, but was an extremely vocal opponent of the Land-based, scaled up versions of that reactor we have everywhere-- including Fukushima-- when Westinghouse proposed them. He was sadly ignored. He said the risks of interrupted electrical and water coolant supply-- something a ship doesn't have to worry about (yes, except for a successful attack) would be catastrophic. He was correct.

Further-- Have you not seen the pictures and videos of the site? Have you read nothing? Have you NEVER read this thread?: http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Fukushim...ng-Updates

To pitch such a simplistic video, and a shill's site as authoritative just misses the mark. How's 'bout you cite a DutchSince video while you're at it.

I am sorry, but I'm not going to spend the time to post all the pics and videos, and Research Papers from Oak Ridge, and all the NHK translated articles, and the diagrams for you. I've already done all that, and they are still on the net.. use google cache search of TOP for March-May of 2011.

You cannot bullshit me.

Here's some more rope and a shovel.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 58069 05-17-2012 04:25 AM

Astrochik Wrote:

Monkeyfister Wrote:
Astrochik Wrote:
she's no shill, she honestly believes the information she's presenting is true, and only posted this to try to alleviate people's fears about the fuel pools catching on fire or exploding.

Quit attacking her, it's not productive. I have been "studying" this nuclear crap since before Fuku. I do not claim to be an expert by any means, but I was interested in chernobyl and had been researching it and the fallout. It was because I read somewhere that you should not eat food imported from certain areas (such as turkish apricots, if I recall correctly) since they were contaminated by Chernobyl fallout. I also found out that in Germany in some areas, people who hunt wild boar must take the boar into a govt office to have it tested for cesium and if it's high, they pay them for it...

I found this map.

link to image: http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphi...B4564D.jpg

Greece and Turkey got hammered as far as deposition goes. the plume went certain places and it "fell out" more randomly due to weather and local conditions..

So, how does this justify her shilling?

You just proved my point. This is every bit as serious-- more so in scale and quantity of contaminated materials-- as Chernobyl.

The Japanese Government is still in full Denial Mode, and certainly isn't the Soviet Dictatorship capable of ordering thousands of people in to clean up the situation, and then die of cancer. So... it will go on and on and on, and on, until the next big quake brings down those crumbling reactor buildings.

I am NOT going to back down.

And I'm not attacking, I am defending innocent people from a transparent, and dangerously ignorant shill attack by Birdie. Get it straight.

I agree that this is a terrible situation, and totally unnecessary, to make it worse. We've shit in our own punchbowl, now we have to drink it.

Makes me very angry and upset. I do hope that the information about the less likelihood of the SPENT fuel being a problem is correct. I know she HONESTLY believes, and so does her husband, that this is not possible so we should not worry about it (at least not so much)

I don't agree that she's shilling. And I do not agree that the dispersion makes all the radiation harmless. I hope it is not going to get worse. I am still extremely concerned that the cores are uncontained, and we've already been exposed to a lot and the oceans are constantly being bombarded with additional radioactive cooling water. Bio-accumulation is also a big deal, and that will make pacific seafood and seaweeds suspect till proven safe to consume.

Maybe, maybe not. Before this happened the industry line was "This cannot happen, redundancy, safe, clean, too cheap to meter blah blah blah.

I'm sure lot of gullibulls believed that too.

Didn't make it any more true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

**Astrochik** · (This post was last modified: 05-17-2012 04:27 AM by Astrochik.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

Maybe, maybe not. Before this happened the industry line was "This cannot happen, redundancy, safe, clean, too cheap to meter blah blah blah.

I'm sure lot of gullibulls believed that too.

Didn't make it any more true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 56653 05-17-2012 04:28 AM

Monkeyfister Wrote:

birdie Wrote:
Monkeyfister - You give absolutely no evidence or science of any kind whatsoever to show how the radiation would reach America to negatively affect anyone over 5,500 miles away in the US.

None.

The only comeback you have is to call me a "shill" just because I happen to agree with the men who are actually trained in this particular field.

You lose.

Oh wait a minute - is everyone in Europe dead? Because you know they had a big accident there in 1986. I guess everyone must be dead.
There are plenty of Radiation (Cesium and Iodine) Spread Models readily available, and every week, they are updated. Here's NHK, showing one such model last year. They are readily accessible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BIFbJgHxrY

Thousands of people have died, and continue to die from Chernobyl. Cancer rates are soaring still. I'm not going to do your homework for you, all the data is readily available via google, and last year, I spent days on end at TOP monitoring, and gathering every stitch of available data on it. To try and all of a sudden say it's no big whoop, is bogus on its face.

Admiral Rickover is known the World Wide, as the "Father Of The US Nuclear Navy." He introduced the Navy BWR to the Fleet via USS Enterprise (CVN-65), and the first nuclear-powered subs. He, himself, extolled the stable virtues of the Shipboard reactors, but was an extremely vocal opponent of the Land-based, scaled up versions of that reactor we have everywhere-- including Fukushima-- when Westinghouse proposed them. He was sadly ignored. He said the risks of interrupted electrical and water coolant supply-- something a ship doesn't have to worry about (yes, except for a successful attack) would be catastrophic. He was correct.

Further-- Have you not seen the pictures and videos of the site? Have you read nothing? Have you NEVER read this thread?: http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Fukushim...ng-Updates

To pitch such a simplistic video, and a shill's site as authoritative just misses the mark. How's 'bout you cite a DutchSince video while you're at it.

I am sorry, but I'm not going to spend the time to post all the pics and videos, and Research Papers from Oak Ridge, and all the NHK translated articles, and the diagrams for you. I've already done all that, and they are still on the net.. use google cache search of TOP for March-May of 2011.

You cannot bullshit me.

Here's some more rope and a shovel.

This is really all that needs to be said. You may close this thread now.

**GeekOfTheWeek**

Kill the Matrix Wrote:

birdie Wrote:
Monkeyfister - You give absolutely no evidence or science of any kind whatsoever to show how the radiation would reach America to negatively affect anyone over 5,500 miles away in the US.

None.

The only comeback you have is to call me a "shill" just because I happen to agree with the men who are actually trained in this particular field.

You lose.

Oh wait a minute - is everyone in Europe dead? Because you know they had a big accident there in 1986. I guess everyone must be dead.

You do realize that hundreds of thousands of people were "sacrificed" to bring that under control, right?

500,000 soviet soldiers worked on Chernobyl. First efforts were to cover the molten reactor with lead, which was dropped by helicopter. It melted, and then they brought in Boron, also dropped by helicopter. Those men, the ones in the helicopters were dead within a month. They had to dig under the reactor, to contain the meltdown, those men could only stay in a 5 minutes in the tunnel from the heat of the thing above them. The men on the roof tops, wearing lead robot like suit, could go out the door and stay 30 seconds, long enough to grab one piece and throw it over the edge of the building, any longer and they started throwing up, and getting dizzy. 1 minute and they would not back it back to the door. The men that eventually covered the mess with lead shielding and concrete, had to drive to the sight in a lead covered truck, to put the next piece in place, then not go back in, next driver please...
Have some respect before coming here and down playing the dangers of a melted down reactor. 1/2 a million men is what it took to get Chernobyl under control. Whole town evacuated because the radiation fallout was too dangerous. Entire countries, 5 total, saw fallout from the SINGLE reactor to melt down. In Japan, we have 3 that have reached that point. 3 not 1 or 2 but 3...
I suggest you get the movie, watch it. Then watch the Chernobyl Documentary on what it took to "contain" it. Then come back here with an informed comment. I'm sorry if you feel I'm angry, but seriously I am, that nothings being done over there, because of wimps and money. They will pollute downwind with no regard. There are those that say, it's beyond the critical point and nothing can be done. But with filters and controlled releases it COULD be minimized. I have written too many congressmen and women about this subject. I can tell you it falls on deaf ears people. They do NOT care.

**Kill the Matrix**

The idea that because this is happening in Japan it won't effect us is just plain ignorant.

Forgetting the radiation for a moment, Japan is not going to be able to export items because no one wants to import their goods. When you can't get a starter for your car, maybe you'll care then. Maybe.

Japan is the third largest economy in the world. Fukushima will either directly or indirectly implode their economy. It is just a matter of time. And when we no longer have it as a strategic base for our military, maybe you'll care then. Maybe.

The globe is interconnected. You have to be living in some sort of deep denial if you believe that some catastrophe of this magnitude isn't going to affect you. It isn't just particles carried on the wind, it is goods coming from Japan, ships from Asia passing through there, and the current which pushes water directly from Fukushima to the US west coast.

The fact is that this plant continues to spew unabated. There is no plan to bring it under control. It's been going for a full year and it is doubtful that there will be any solution in the next THREE. How much radiation do you think you'll be exposed to by then?

Birdie, you said that the spent fuel rods "falling into the ocean" wouldn't be a problem and I asked you how that would happen. You kept claiming over and over again if that happened, there would be zero risk to us. When I pressed you for two pages to explain how that would happen, you finally said it wouldn't. You argued for two pages about this -- creating a strawman situation you are now admitting isn't even a possibility.

"If the fuel rods fell into the ocean, it would just disperse the radiation."

"How exactly would the rods fall into the ocean?"

"They wouldn't."

No, this isn't shillery AT ALL.

You really don't know what you are talking about. You said your husband doesn't have any financial interest in the industry and just now you said he currently holds a license. That, to me, is being disingenuous as he has a significant financial interest in keeping his license.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt because you are pregnant I guess and probably don't like the thought of your kid have birth defects or dying of leukemia, so you grasp on to whatever bullshit your husband tells you to appease your fears.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 89663 05-17-2012 04:31 AM

This says it all..really..

"The accident was rated 7 on the INES scale"

(what more do you need to know..than that..)

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 05-17-2012 04:46 AM

Kill the Matrix Wrote:

The idea that because this is happening in Japan it won't effect us is just plain ignorant.

Forgetting the radiation for a moment, Japan is not going to be able to export items because no one wants to import their goods. When you can't get a starter for your car, maybe you'll care then. Maybe.

Japan is the third largest economy in the world. Fukushima will either directly or indirectly implode their economy. It is just a matter of time. And when we no longer have it as a strategic base for our military, maybe you'll care then. Maybe.

The globe is interconnected. You have to be living in some sort of deep denial if you believe that some catastrophe of this magnitude isn't going to affect you. It isn't just particles carried on the wind, it is goods coming from Japan, ships from Asia passing through there, and the current which pushes water directly from Fukushima to the US west coast.

The fact is that this plant continues to spew unabated. There is no plan to bring it under control. It's been going for a full year and it is doubtful that there will be any solution in the next THREE. How much radiation do you think you'll be exposed to by then?

Birdie, you said that the spent fuel rods "falling into the ocean" wouldn't be a problem and I asked you how that would happen. You kept claiming over and over again if that happened, there would be zero risk to us. When I pressed you for two pages to explain how that would happen, you finally said it wouldn't. You argued for two pages about this -- creating a strawman situation you are now admitting isn't even a possibility.

"If the fuel rods fell into the ocean, it would just disperse the radiation."

"How exactly would the rods fall into the ocean?"

"They wouldn't."

No, this isn't shillery AT ALL.

You really don't know what you are talking about. You said your husband doesn't have any financial interest in the industry and just now you said he currently holds a license. That, to me, is being disingenuous as he has a significant financial interest in keeping his license.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt because you are pregnant I guess and probably don't like the thought of your kid have birth defects or dying of leukemia, so you grasp on to whatever bullshit your husband tells you to appease your fears.

**birdie**

Kill the Matrix Wrote:

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt because you are pregnant I guess and probably don't like the thought of your kid have birth defects or dying of leukemia, so you grasp on to whatever bullshit your husband tells you to appease your fears.

The stupid..it burns.

**Monkeyfister** · (This post was last modified: 05-17-2012 05:06 AM by Monkeyfister.)

Astrochik Wrote:

Monkeyfister Wrote:
Astrochik Wrote:
she's no shill, she honestly believes the information she's presenting is true, and only posted this to try to alleviate people's fears about the fuel pools catching on fire or exploding.

Quit attacking her, it's not productive. I have been "studying" this nuclear crap since before Fuku. I do not claim to be an expert by any means, but I was interested in chernobyl and had been researching it and the fallout. It was because I read somewhere that you should not eat food imported from certain areas (such as turkish apricots, if I recall correctly) since they were contaminated by Chernobyl fallout. I also found out that in Germany in some areas, people who hunt wild boar must take the boar into a govt office to have it tested for cesium and if it's high, they pay them for it...

I found this map.

Greece and Turkey got hammered as far as deposition goes. the plume went certain places and it "fell out" more randomly due to weather and local conditions..

So, how does this justify her shilling?

You just proved my point. This is every bit as serious-- more so in scale and quantity of contaminated materials-- as Chernobyl.

The Japanese Government is still in full Denial Mode, and certainly isn't the Soviet Dictatorship capable of ordering thousands of people in to clean up the situation, and then die of cancer. So... it will go on and on and on, and on, until the next big quake brings down those crumbling reactor buildings.

I am NOT going to back down.

And I'm not attacking, I am defending innocent people from a transparent, and dangerously ignorant shill attack by Birdie. Get it straight.

I agree that this is a terrible situation, and totally unnecessary, to make it worse. We've shit in our own punchbowl, now we have to drink it.

Makes me very angry and upset. I do hope that the information about the less likelihood of the SPENT fuel being a problem is correct. I know she HONESTLY believes, and so does her husband, that this is not possible so we should not worry about it (at least not so much)

I don't agree that she's shilling. And I do not agree that the dispersion makes all the radiation harmless. I hope it is not going to get worse. I am still extremely concerned that the cores are uncontained, and we've already been exposed to a lot and the oceans are constantly being bombarded with additional radioactive cooling water. Bio-accumulation is also a big deal, and that will make pacific seafood and seaweeds suspect till proven safe to consume.

If I told you that I HONESTLY believe that a herd of Unicorns inhabited the rectum of Henry Kissinger, and THAT is why the TSA pulled a "Full Monty" on him, would you defend me as strongly?

No. because you (like the rest of us) have no desire to believe that Henry Kissinger's rectum is the conservator of the Last Unicorns.

On the other hand, you have, as Billions of the rest of us Humans share-- a deep and abiding desire to believe that everything is OK and under control at Fukushima. It's too ugly to want to look at.

But, we must.

I'm not trying to be a prick, and don't want to be. I've just done the real homework on this, and it really is all that, and potentially more. I don't like it either, but, having the life that I've led, I cannot allow sugar-coating and denial of the severity of this crisis. Both Chernobyl and Fukushima are Rated a Level 7 Nuclear Crisis. There is not much more headroom on the scale without adding as we go from here, heavens forbid; but Fukushima has plenty of time, and a major, ongoing Geological Plate shift working against it.

To happy-face this mess, and tell people to ignore it is sociopathic-level wrong.

I have always been the first to put down panic over the legendary FOGIUM. I've posted the Research Papers and videos of concrete ablation rates when exposed to scale samples of "melt-down" material. I've posted the Prevailing Wind charts all over the net. I've spent hours of training while in the Navy, down in Engineering Decks in the heat, and the screaming turbine noise, to learn my ship's power plant, top to bottom, fore to aft, safety and Damage Control, for good or ill.

Talk Chemtrails up or down all you want-- Fukushima is very serious, and and mostly regional, sure, but the West Coast is getting much more radiation than they should ever get, and there are pockets past the Rockies that are getting big blogs of Cesium and Iodine on a regular basis. This is an extremely long-scope, on-going crisis. Birdie's kind of dismissal isn't just discussion fodder, it is deliberately misleading, and not a "fuzzy issue" at all.

**Kill the Matrix**

birdie Wrote:

The stupid..it burns.

Then you should give it up.

But really, I notice you resort to name-calling when you don't have a response for people. You're getting beat up pretty hard and you've made some very misinformed statements here, but that isn't grounds for you to go around calling people "jackasses" and crap. It really just tells me that you don't have a defense for what you say. You've been caught in a couple of lies already, don't make the situation worse.

**blobius**