http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/...inimum.htm

We are presently in a historic deep solar minimum and this has implications for humankind as these periods in the history of the earth correspond to the fall of civilizations and population reduction.

Pesnell believes sunspot counts will pick up again soon, "possibly by the end of the year," to be followed by a solar maximum of below-average intensity in 2012 or 2013.

But like other forecasters, he knows he could be wrong. Bull or bear? Stay tuned for updates.


http://www.co2science.org/subject/d/summ...europe.php

In conclusion, the Dark Ages Cold Period has been observed in paleoclimatic data from all parts of Europe, often in long temperature histories that reveal the existence of similar multi-century cold intervals sandwiched between equally significant periods of warmth. In Europe, as in Asia, there is also evidence that the Dark Ages Cold Period was not a particularly good time for human societies residing in the northern parts of the continent.

The populations residing in the lower latitudes are also impacted as these periods coincide with increased earthquakes.

http://www.lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Eart...ar-minimum

Great post!
Have been reading a bit on it where this came out last year:
http://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/reds...sun-t.html

Could be we are in for a cold spell..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

Thanks TDM.

The deep minima of the recent past correspond to the tuberculosis epidemics which ravaged Europe. This has led to an increased incidence of the cystic fibrosis trait observed in the region.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10...ne-protect


Vitamin D which is synthesised on the skin from the UVB component of sunlight protects against tuberculosis.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6647469.stm

During the solar minima populations in the higher latitudes would have had lower levels of vitamin D.

DEEP QUIET: Today, the sun is entering its 13th consecutive day without sunspots. Just a few years ago, such a stretch of blank suns would have been unthinkable. Now it's routine. So far this year, the sun has been spotless 79% of the time, topping the 73% mark recorded in 2008. Long after many forecasters thought solar minimum would be finished, the quiet is not only continuing, but actually deepening. Are sunspots gone for good? Researchers discuss the question in an article from Science@NASA.

http://www.spaceweather.com/

So is this why global warming is being ridiculed? Just asking :)

This is VERY interesting. OP, do you mind if I post it on my blog?? Credit to you, of course...

Quoting:  LoneWolf

So is this why global warming is being ridiculed? Just asking :)

The sun is the driver of climate on Earth.

Quoting:  HeidiLore

This is VERY interesting. OP, do you mind if I post it on my blog?? Credit to you, of course...

Please go ahead.

Quoting:  tethys

Quoting:  LoneWolf

So is this why global warming is being ridiculed? Just asking :)

The sun is the driver of climate on Earth.

To a certain degree yes. But only one of the drivers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age


Throughout the Little Ice Age, the world also experienced heightened volcanic activity.[43]

Go to the 31 minute mark of this video and then tell me what your thoughts are on that:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-...firefox-a#

Quoting:  LoneWolf

Quoting:  tethys

Quoting:  LoneWolf

So is this why global warming is being ridiculed? Just asking :)

The sun is the driver of climate on Earth.

To a certain degree yes. But only one of the drivers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cycle

The sun, which drives the water cycle,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone

A tropical cyclone's primary energy source is the release of the heat of condensation from water vapor condensing at high altitudes, with solar heating being the initial source for evaporation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind

differential heating between the equator and the poles (difference in absorption of solar energy

You are using wiki as your soul source for documentation. There is so much more to this than meets the eye.

Voila...

http://heidilore.wordpress.com/2009/10/1...lizations/

Quoting:  LoneWolf

Go to the 31 minute mark of this video and then tell me what your thoughts are on that:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-...firefox-a#

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programm...g_qa.shtml

70% of the surface of the Earth is water (mostly ocean) therefore global dimming would not impact evaporation in this case as not enough flights to cover the ocean area.

We are now in a solar minimum.

Just saw your last post LoneWolf which wiki references would you like me to get additional links to?

Quoting:  tethys

Quoting:  LoneWolf

Go to the 31 minute mark of this video and then tell me what your thoughts are on that:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-...firefox-a#

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programm...g_qa.shtml

70% of the surface of the Earth is water (mostly ocean) therefore global dimming would not impact evaporation in this case as not enough flights to cover the ocean area.

We are now in a solar minimum.

Just saw your last post LoneWolf which wiki references would you like me to get additional links to?

I agree we are in solar minimum. I have no problem with that. But please don't try to tell me that we have NO impact in what is going on on this planet.

I agree we are in solar minimum. I have no problem with that. But please don't try to tell me that we have NO impact in what is going on on this planet.
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I did not say anywhere in this thread that mankind has had no impact on the environment.

I did say that the climate of the Earth is driven by the sun.

Of course mankind has had an impact on the environment with deforestation and pollution, every bit of concrete removes the habitat of many species.

I don't think the climate of the earth is driven solely by the sun. The sun affects us in different ways based on the "conditions" of the planet.

IF the poles were still ice instead of water, the heat would be reflected back. IF the forests in and around the equator were still there, they would absorb some of that heat.

It's all IF. And based on what's going on here.

Quoting:  LoneWolf

I don't think the climate of the earth is driven solely by the sun. The sun affects us in different ways based on the "conditions" of the planet.

IF the poles were still ice instead of water, the heat would be reflected back. IF the forests in and around the equator were still there, they would absorb some of that heat.

It's all IF. And based on what's going on here.

I posted a video showing the ice in the Antarctic and the Arctic.





Here is the information given with the video -

Another so called global warming report came out this week just ahead of the G-20 summit and it as all others before it is based on outdated data from 2003-2007 . With not a word on the historic solar minimum or the conditions that have changed since 2007 .Antarctic sea ice had a record growth in 2008 and is well above normal levels going into spring 2009 . There is over 15.737 miles sq. km of sea ice , .674 above the average 15.063 as of September 21 , 2009 .. Because of abundant snowfall we are actually getting to see glaciation take hold . We have seen for the first time in years the ice shelves begin to grow once more. In this video you can even see some of the more brittle new areas give way. But there is in fact a net increase in many of the ice sheets . Only the Western shelf has seen any decline and the growth on the other shelves more than makes up for the loss on the western side of the continent. . Simply put our leaders are either ill informed , Ignorant or have an agenda .There will not come a rise in water from the melting of this ice but the sea level will rise because of this growing ice . Mr. Moon , Mr. President Global Warming is over . Because of the rapidly changing state of the Sun the Earth is entering a period of global cooling .


Think about all this for just one minute. The Sun is in a state of historical quiet .

1. Cyclone intnesity is at 30 year lows . Ove the last 2 years this number has basically collapsed

2. 2008 was the coolest year since 2000 . 2009 looks to end up cooler than normal ~ Overall Global temperatures have continued to fall

3. 2008 there was over 250 blank spotless days on the sun . 2009 will surpass this number
3.a . Any sunspots that are able to form are often short lived
3.b. Magnetism remains at multi century lows. Magnetic fileds that errupt fluctuate and are superficial

4 .The ozone hole is beginning to heal despite using chemicals that cause more depletion , there is little Solar Forcing in the minimum

5. The Ice Caps and shelves have made a drastic recovery and are rebounding 5.a Antarctic sea ice is .674 above the average . 2008 was also a year of above average growth 5.b. Arctic ice has rebounded to levels not seen since 2005 .The water is cooler and allowing quicker and earlier development

6 . Torrential rainfalls in record amounts around the world because the cooling atmosphere , Another sign of this has been the persistent "Noctilucent" clouds at lower latitudes




2 month observation of - Ross Ice Shelf - Ronne Ice Shelf -
Larsen Ice Shelf Images - Nascent Iceberg Images -
B-15A Iceberg Images
Category: Science & Technology

And there is data out there to show that mankind is interfering with that. Mankind is "cloudseeding". Mankind is attempting to create nocilucent clouds....