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Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
tethys
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Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/...inimum.htm

We are presently in a historic deep solar minimum and this has implications for humankind as these periods in the history of the earth correspond to the fall of civilizations and population reduction.

Pesnell believes sunspot counts will pick up again soon, "possibly by the end of the year," to be followed by a solar maximum of below-average intensity in 2012 or 2013.

But like other forecasters, he knows he could be wrong. Bull or bear? Stay tuned for updates.


http://www.co2science.org/subject/d/summ...europe.php

In conclusion, the Dark Ages Cold Period has been observed in paleoclimatic data from all parts of Europe, often in long temperature histories that reveal the existence of similar multi-century cold intervals sandwiched between equally significant periods of warmth. In Europe, as in Asia, there is also evidence that the Dark Ages Cold Period was not a particularly good time for human societies residing in the northern parts of the continent.

The populations residing in the lower latitudes are also impacted as these periods coincide with increased earthquakes.

http://www.lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Eart...ar-minimum


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10-12-2009 11:26 AM

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Post: #2
RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
Great post! Jhikpghf
Have been reading a bit on it where this came out last year:
http://redstateeclectic.typepad.com/reds...sun-t.html

Could be we are in for a cold spell..
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tethys
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RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

Thanks TDM.

The deep minima of the recent past correspond to the tuberculosis epidemics which ravaged Europe. This has led to an increased incidence of the cystic fibrosis trait observed in the region.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10...ne-protect


Vitamin D which is synthesised on the skin from the UVB component of sunlight protects against tuberculosis.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6647469.stm

During the solar minima populations in the higher latitudes would have had lower levels of vitamin D.
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10-14-2009 10:29 PM

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Post: #4
RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
DEEP QUIET: Today, the sun is entering its 13th consecutive day without sunspots. Just a few years ago, such a stretch of blank suns would have been unthinkable. Now it's routine. So far this year, the sun has been spotless 79% of the time, topping the 73% mark recorded in 2008. Long after many forecasters thought solar minimum would be finished, the quiet is not only continuing, but actually deepening. Are sunspots gone for good? Researchers discuss the question in an article from Science@NASA.

http://www.spaceweather.com/
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LoneWolf
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10-14-2009 10:32 PM

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RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
So is this why global warming is being ridiculed? Just asking :)
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10-14-2009 10:38 PM

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Post: #6
RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
This is VERY interesting. OP, do you mind if I post it on my blog?? Credit to you, of course...

All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/heidilore/
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tethys
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RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
Quoting:  LoneWolf
So is this why global warming is being ridiculed? Just asking :)

The sun is the driver of climate on Earth.
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tethys
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RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
Quoting:  HeidiLore
This is VERY interesting. OP, do you mind if I post it on my blog?? Credit to you, of course...

Please go ahead.
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LoneWolf
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RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
Quoting:  tethys
Quoting:  LoneWolf
So is this why global warming is being ridiculed? Just asking :)

The sun is the driver of climate on Earth.

To a certain degree yes. But only one of the drivers.
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tethys
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RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age


Throughout the Little Ice Age, the world also experienced heightened volcanic activity.[43]
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LoneWolf
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RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
Go to the 31 minute mark of this video and then tell me what your thoughts are on that:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-...firefox-a#
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tethys
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RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
Quoting:  LoneWolf
Quoting:  tethys
Quoting:  LoneWolf
So is this why global warming is being ridiculed? Just asking :)

The sun is the driver of climate on Earth.

To a certain degree yes. But only one of the drivers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cycle

The sun, which drives the water cycle,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone

A tropical cyclone's primary energy source is the release of the heat of condensation from water vapor condensing at high altitudes, with solar heating being the initial source for evaporation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind

differential heating between the equator and the poles (difference in absorption of solar energy
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LoneWolf
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RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
You are using wiki as your soul source for documentation. There is so much more to this than meets the eye.
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RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations

All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.



http://www.flickr.com/photos/heidilore/
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tethys
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10-14-2009 11:19 PM

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RE:Deep solar minimum and the fall of Civilizations
Quoting:  LoneWolf
Go to the 31 minute mark of this video and then tell me what your thoughts are on that:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-...firefox-a#

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programm...g_qa.shtml

70% of the surface of the Earth is water (mostly ocean) therefore global dimming would not impact evaporation in this case as not enough flights to cover the ocean area.

We are now in a solar minimum.

Just saw your last post LoneWolf which wiki references would you like me to get additional links to?
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