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**Ray-Ray Debarge** lop guest User ID: 92901 05-12-2012 03:45 AM

Just miles overhead is space. Time as we know it does not apply there because, for the purposes of this discussion we are no longer on a spinning rock. From this vantage point, there is only now, not yesterday, there will be no tomorrow. Everything happened today, from the creation of the planets, the breakup of pangea, dinosaurs, our ancestors were born and died. Eternity is now. Now is eternity.

**eyeseeall**

LoP Guest Wrote:

describe the wetness of water. the heat of a flame. the color blue.

eternity is like that.....

you are that.

Qualia, one of the last hopes for the eternal substance of consciousness that materialist scientists have not ruined for us.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 75452 05-12-2012 03:47 AM

eyeseeall Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Aqua Wrote:
you realize when you sit outside under the stars, that you basically have nothing but eternity over head.
Although related, you're confusing eternity with infinity.

True, but eternity and infinity go hand in hand, one is defining space, one is defining time. To travel the infinity it takes an eternity.

Precisely the point I was trying to make to Aqua.

**sia**

eyeseeall Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Aqua Wrote:
you realize when you sit outside under the stars, that you basically have nothing but eternity over head.
Although related, you're confusing eternity with infinity.

True, but eternity and infinity go hand in hand, one is defining space, one is defining time. To travel the infinity it takes an eternity.

think feedback loops.

**eyeseeall**

Sia Wrote:

eyeseeall Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Although related, you're confusing eternity with infinity.

True, but eternity and infinity go hand in hand, one is defining space, one is defining time. To travel the infinity it takes an eternity.

think feedback loops.

Such an interesting concept. I like pushing the limits of human knowledge.

Anyone have any interesting links they want to add to the discussion?

**eyeseeall** · (This post was last modified: 05-12-2012 03:53 AM by eyeseeall.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

eyeseeall Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Although related, you're confusing eternity with infinity.

True, but eternity and infinity go hand in hand, one is defining space, one is defining time. To travel the infinity it takes an eternity.
Precisely the point I was trying to make to Aqua.

ok, lol, sorry chuckle

When I think this deep sometimes I lose the basics of communication. Almost as if all involved are automatically on the same page due to some conscious unity. Such a universal truth this subject is. Heartflowers

**JCD** · (This post was last modified: 05-12-2012 03:58 AM by JCD.)

eyeseeall Wrote:

Does eternity exist? Is it a just a term to describe an unimaginable amount of time, or is it a real tangible idea. Can eternity ever be understood by the human brain? If the universe has a beginning, will it have an end? If that is the case, then eternity is not real. I believe this is why we fear death. It steps our "selves" outside of the concept of time. A concept that we automatically intertwine with our lives, as natural as the term water is to an ocean. Just my thoughts, would like to hear others.

It is not explainable. Once you experience but a small drop, you will never doubt again.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 75452 05-12-2012 03:59 AM

eyeseeall Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
eyeseeall Wrote:
True, but eternity and infinity go hand in hand, one is defining space, one is defining time. To travel the infinity it takes an eternity.
Precisely the point I was trying to make to Aqua.

ok, lol, sorry When I think this deep sometimes I lose the basics of communication. Almost as if all involved are automatically on the same page due to some conscious unity. Such a universal truth this subject is.

No prob. Just another speed bump on the road to expanded human knowledge and, perhaps (arguably) more important, imagination.

][ lop guest User ID: 46957 05-12-2012 04:11 AM

Eternity = forever + 1 day aka ∞

**Aqua**

LoP Guest Wrote:

describe the wetness of water. the heat of a flame. the color blue.

eternity is like that.....

you are that.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 88446 05-12-2012 04:50 AM

Look at it another way. The smallest theoretical measurement of time is the Planck unit of time, about 10 -43 seconds. This is the time it takes a photon of light to travel in a vacuum across the smallest measurement of space which is 10 -27 nano meters. This is all the "time" that can exist, the physical measurement of NOW. Past and Future are mental constructs, they have no independent reality. There is not a past, there is not a future except in our minds. We note them as markers of unfolding events. First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is.

But since time is relative and the faster you travel the slower it passes, another way to look at eternity is from the perspective of a photon of light. From our perspective we see the light from a star reaching our eyes (or instruments) after thousands or billions of years. But from the photon's point of view no time has elapsed at all. Freaky.

**ZeroToad**

0 + 0 = 1

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**eyeseeall**

Sia Wrote:

eternity is no time.

If space and time is intertwined into one single dimension, as physics tell us, then how can one step out of time, without stepping out of the universe all together.

**ZeroToad** · (This post was last modified: 05-12-2012 05:25 AM by ZeroToad.)

eyeseeall Wrote:

Sia Wrote:
eternity is no time.

If space and time is intertwined into one single dimension, as physics tell us, then how can one step out of time, without stepping out of the universe all together.

2 step out of infinity and find out about the illusion of oNe, is to step into Time - n0thing. Hiding

Ribbit

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 95961 05-12-2012 05:20 AM

It is defined as a mobius strip.