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**Honest Abe**

flintstone Wrote:

unless ur living in a mansion with 50 yd rooms i do not see a situation that #2 lead shot wouldn't take care of. at 20 yds a 12 gauge loaded with #2 wouldn't take down. however a if all i had was a 410 i would probly opt for one of the new disc bb combos or just a slug or buck. idk about the 410 for defense, kinda iffy to me. and i know one thing for sure. dead criminals don't sue.

Wouldn't hold my breath on #2...
http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=43325

**Honest Abe**

LoP Guest Wrote:

What do you need guns for anyway? Here in Sweden we just put up a sign with "no peddlers please". Works like a charm keeping unwanted visitors away!

Of course it might still be worth getting an some form of heavy assault cannon to make the Jehovah's witneses understand this house aint worth saving.

Any specific brand you'd recommend?

Home invasions, UN invasion, Riots, etc.
If we are talking 12 gauge pump, almost any will suffice. It is pretty hard to screw up a 12 gauge pump. For that reason alone, everyone should have one.

**flintstone** lop guest User ID: 95037 08-19-2012 06:35 PM

i don't need to read threads on the subject. #2 pheasant loads work just fine. trust me on that one. but everyone is welcome to buy whatever floats their boat. hell buy fletchettes if ya want

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 64292 08-19-2012 06:38 PM

Skeletor Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
What do you need guns for anyway? Here in Sweden we just put up a sign with "no peddlers please". Works like a charm keeping unwanted visitors away!

Of course it might still be worth getting an some form of heavy assault cannon to make the Jehovah's witneses understand this house aint worth saving.

Any specific brand you'd recommend?

Home invasions, UN invasion, Riots, etc.
If we are talking 12 gauge pump, almost any will suffice. It is pretty hard to screw up a 12 gauge pump. For that reason alone, everyone should have one.

It's a harsh part of the world you guys seem to be living in.

The only kind of pump I would consider getting as SHTF prep, is a trusty bicycle pump.

**Honest Abe**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Skeletor Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
What do you need guns for anyway? Here in Sweden we just put up a sign with "no peddlers please". Works like a charm keeping unwanted visitors away!

Of course it might still be worth getting an some form of heavy assault cannon to make the Jehovah's witneses understand this house aint worth saving.

Any specific brand you'd recommend?

Home invasions, UN invasion, Riots, etc.
If we are talking 12 gauge pump, almost any will suffice. It is pretty hard to screw up a 12 gauge pump. For that reason alone, everyone should have one.

It's a harsh part of the world you guys seem to be living in.

The only kind of pump I would consider getting as SHTF prep, is a trusty bicycle pump.

SHTF, Sweden will eventually be a harsh part of the world. When food is scarce, people are desperate.

**Honest Abe**

flintstone Wrote:

i don't need to read threads on the subject. #2 pheasant loads work just fine. trust me on that one. but everyone is welcome to buy whatever floats their boat. hell buy fletchettes if ya want

I sure wouldn't want to take a #2, nor would I want to take 7 1/2 target loads. I don't even want shot with a red ryder BB gun. However, with my wife and kids life on the line, I am not trusting any of those.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 64292 08-19-2012 06:46 PM

Skeletor Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
Skeletor Wrote:
Home invasions, UN invasion, Riots, etc.
If we are talking 12 gauge pump, almost any will suffice. It is pretty hard to screw up a 12 gauge pump. For that reason alone, everyone should have one.

It's a harsh part of the world you guys seem to be living in.

The only kind of pump I would consider getting as SHTF prep, is a trusty bicycle pump.

SHTF, Sweden will eventually be a harsh part of the world. When food is scarce, people are desperate.

Depends on how deep the Shit gets I suppose...

Anyway, people don't have guns here, except hunters. Criminals don't have guns either. The cops do have them, but stored away in a locker at the police station for safe-keeping.

I guess if TSHTF here, bird shot would suffice just fine!
chuckle

**Honest Abe** · (This post was last modified: 08-19-2012 07:00 PM by Honest Abe.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

Skeletor Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
It's a harsh part of the world you guys seem to be living in.

The only kind of pump I would consider getting as SHTF prep, is a trusty bicycle pump.

SHTF, Sweden will eventually be a harsh part of the world. When food is scarce, people are desperate.

Depends on how deep the Shit gets I suppose...

Anyway, people don't have guns here, except hunters. Criminals don't have guns either. The cops do have them, but stored away in a locker at the police station for safe-keeping.

I guess if TSHTF here, bird shot would suffice just fine!

Only if you want to piss off people.

**dookie stain** lop guest User ID: 67725 08-19-2012 07:28 PM

If ya really have to use bird shot for defense, "ring" the shell....old timers will know what I'm talking about.....check functioning with your particular shottie before using for social work.....

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 93948 08-19-2012 07:46 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Skeletor Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
What do you need guns for anyway? Here in Sweden we just put up a sign with "no peddlers please". Works like a charm keeping unwanted visitors away!

Of course it might still be worth getting an some form of heavy assault cannon to make the Jehovah's witneses understand this house aint worth saving.

Any specific brand you'd recommend?

Home invasions, UN invasion, Riots, etc.
If we are talking 12 gauge pump, almost any will suffice. It is pretty hard to screw up a 12 gauge pump. For that reason alone, everyone should have one.

It's a harsh part of the world you guys seem to be living in.

The only kind of pump I would consider getting as SHTF prep, is a trusty bicycle pump.

Agreed, my saiga 12 is loaded with #7 birdshot, then 00 buck, then slug, then fleshette, then bolo round, then dragons breath.

All within a matter of seconds, never have to take my sight off the targets and since it holds 20 rounds, its works great at street sweeping also, lol.