muthrluvbne  Wrote:

I will be honest and say I have no idea what whoever/whatever created would even begin to look like. I highly doubt that would have a human form though.

Would you agree that the Universe has a "form" and has "forms" as well, us included? Would you agree that any and all "forms" have to have been created?

If all forms were created, then we are left with something without form before the creation.

Would you also agree that all "forms" and matter, and the whole universe itself is "supported" and "animated"? Animated means in a state of motion and animation (not only is the Universe expanding, but every particle is in constant motion).

So the entire Universe is a "form" containing "forms" though all these "forms" can be considered part of the Universe which is matter and particles and all that. It is in constant motion and animation.

Would you agree that nothing, something that doesn't exist, can not create, nor can it create motion or support the existence of anything?

So Ultimately, something without a form has to have created all "forms" and "animates" everything, keeping them in motion, and supporting the existence of the Universe.

This is because "nothing" can't do anything, nor can it support anything.

That which supports the Universe, and animates it, and pervades it entirely, was not created, but is all that essentially ever existed, was before all "forms", and brought all "forms" into existence, and supports every level of their framework, also providing the infinite space for it.

Would you agree that such would be the most powerful, and only powerful thing in existence, pervading every level of reality, animating it entirely, leaving you entirely immersed in itself, within and all around you and everywhere?

The One, the First, the Only, the Omnipotent, the Omniscient (all knowing because in order for anything to exist it needs to be presently supporting it at that place), and omnipresent (absolutely everywhere).

Would such a thing be worthy of the title "God" and would anything with a "form" which had to have been created, which is smaller than the Universe and is contained within limitations worthy of the same title when it is being supported by something greater?

Wouldn't that which is the only self sufficient, unsupported, formless, sustainer by the only thing worthy of the title of God?

It being present everywhere, animating all experience, do you think it lacks the ability to know when you are communicating to it? Though it even supports your ability to have thoughts and what thoughts you can possibly have because it had to have created them in the first place in order for them to exist (they are considered "forms" too since they are visual or pertaining to some form of sense).

Do you think that it is worth a try to seek benefit from such a thing if it has the power to create anything and supports the existence of everything, creating all experience?

Do you think that all the ancients were wrong in their attempt to show reverence for this God by performing gestures of worship and gratitude? Do you think that anything can truly protect a person besides this, rendering it the best possible ally?

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muthrluvbne  Wrote:

I personally think that someone or something created the universe/multiverse, but I don't think that they know or care what is going on here on earth.

I also am one of those weirdos who believe (mostly) in the Alien creation of humans theory.

What is your theory? Open and friendly discussion is welcome, hate is not.

More or less along the same lines.....the Ancient Alien Theories are more fact based and logical than any man-made religion.....

This

muthrluvbne  Wrote:

Proof that a God created man in his image. There are some very good morals in the bible, as well as many others that are just down right primitive.

Some books don't say that God created man in His image. Even many Jewish scholars don't believe that statement is literal. The word used is tselem, and can refer to a similtude. Right after it makes that statement in the Bible, it talks about the dominion of humankind over animals which is apparent today. The "image" would be the similtude of how God has dominion over humankind and the entire Unvierse, humans were given a period of partial dominion over the Earth to rule it wisely if they can.

Whatever created the universe is probably so far beyond needing gratitude, or worship, or even acknowledgment. We 3rd dimensional human being try to superimpose 3rd dimensional traits on something which is incomprehensible. While we have personal, one-on-one relationships with it, the nature of the relationship is strictly between it and us.

It's a little hard not to believe in my dad when i'm his son.

Well considering that 50% of the world population lives on 2 bucks a day, 1% of the worlds population "owns" 40% of the worlds resources, 925,000,000 are starving, and around 25,000 people die everyday due to starvation, I would say God made a mistake in giving humans dominion of the earth.

Clearly we aren't doing something right.

muthrluvbne  Wrote:

I personally think that someone or something created the universe/multiverse

It is perfectly possible that existence has always existed
Especially since it appears to be infinite and eternal
And especially since we have no idea one way or the other

Which means that all this talk about a "creator"
And something coming from nothing
And there having to be a God
Is total bunk

And a complete waste of time
Not to mention a complete waste of meme
For the past hundred millenia or so

It is perfectly possible that existence has always existed
Especially since it appears to be infinite and eternal
And especially since we have no idea one way or the other

Which means that all this talk about a "creator"
And something coming from nothing
And there having to be a God
Is total bunk

And a complete waste of time
Not to mention a complete waste of meme
For the past hundred millenia or so

muthrluvbne  Wrote:

I personally think that someone or something created the universe/multiverse, but I don't think that they know or care what is going on here on earth.

I also am one of those weirdos who believe (mostly) in the Alien creation of humans theory.

What is your theory? Open and friendly discussion is welcome, hate is not.

god does care .

it is like when you have a child .as the childs grows we teach the child the right and wrong way to live their life .when that child becomes a adult they make their own choices .sometimes we as parents can see that they are making the wrong choices we try to tell them but they do not listen to their parent.s .but like all loving parent.s we never close the door on them .

god will never close the door on his children .

BadMoon  Wrote:

Whatever created the universe is probably so far beyond needing gratitude, or worship, or even acknowledgment. We 3rd dimensional human being try to superimpose 3rd dimensional traits on something which is incomprehensible. While we have personal, one-on-one relationships with it, the nature of the relationship is strictly between it and us.

It doesn't need gratitude and worship. Do you think it is beyond appreciating the requests and gratitude of people?

Did you know that in infinity, that which is extremely small, can also be extremely big?

That means, on every level, however tiny, it is managing every aspect of existence and animation.

It isn't that it can't see humans at every size, at every level, close and far.

Do you think that it is so "beyond" that it can't comprehend the emotions that it created for people? It certainly needs nothing, it is we who need it always, do you think it doesn't know that? Gestures of worship and appreciation are for our benefit. Nothing can benefit it, though it shouldn't be "beyond" acknowledging and appreciating the concerns of even an amoeba or anything smaller.

No

I believe we really are just a big genetic happenstance.

Ever see that show where they show the giant crystal cave?

It's the most amazing and beautiful cave. It sits deep underground surrounded by toxic gases and darkness. It could have gone all of man's time here on earth without ever being seen.

It exists for no reason, just nature being nature.

I believe there could be other worlds with life and natural and amazing things on them. They just happened.

CooterBrown  Wrote:

It is perfectly possible that existence has always existed
Especially since it appears to be infinite and eternal
And especially since we have no idea one way or the other

Which means that all this talk about a "creator"
And something coming from nothing
And there having to be a God
Is total bunk

And a complete waste of time
Not to mention a complete waste of meme
For the past hundred millenia or so

Science has shown the Universe began and was not always as it is now. Check out the Big Bang theory and the expansion of the finite universe.