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**Missing** · (This post was last modified: 06-12-2012 01:23 PM by Missing.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

Missing Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Everyone is religious. A person that uses the term "religious person" is
identifying that his religion is that he is god, and therefore believes and
does whatever he wants. Real simple.

By that reasoning, if a person who uses the term "religious person" asks for religious assistance, and is disappointed by the outcome, that person will blame their dissatisfaction on their inability to manifest their own will and fulfill their self-appointed role as god.

So, 85331, what religion does the phrase "Everyone is religious" identify? One in which a person holds beliefs which are contrary to that person's will, and acts accordingly?

re·li·gion
Noun:
Details of belief as taught or discussed.

Everyone has beliefs, and is preaching them in all that they say and do.

There are only 2 underlying religious beliefs that are possible,
despite the misconception that there are many different ones.

Either one believes in God that created everything, defined "good" and
"evil" within his creation, and made these to be knowable to his creation,
or one believes that there is no God, no "good" and "evil," and no sin.

Those that fall into the latter faith based religion which necessarily is the
belief that they are god, fancy calling their religion 'non-religious.'

There are those who believe that God created everything, yet also believe that evil and sin are not creations of God, and therefore don't exist except in the minds of those who believe in them.

By your definitions, such a belief is impossible.

Presumably, since you repeatedly condemn such belief, you don't share the belief that people should exercise authority over their own lives. Somebody else should define good and evil for them. Somebody like you, maybe?

85331, you seem to be awfully fond of defining choices, and insisting not only that they apply to each of us, but that there are no other alternatives. Does that, somehow, make you more comfortable than permitting us to do likewise? Aren't you giving yourself the role of God, by declaring that which is good and that which is evil, and insisting that yours is the only standard by which they can be determined?

Think about that a while.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 85331 06-13-2012 06:43 AM

Missing Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
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By that reasoning, if a person who uses the term "religious person" asks for religious assistance, and is disappointed by the outcome, that person will blame their dissatisfaction on their inability to manifest their own will and fulfill their self-appointed role as god.

So, 85331, what religion does the phrase "Everyone is religious" identify? One in which a person holds beliefs which are contrary to that person's will, and acts accordingly?

re·li·gion
Noun:
Details of belief as taught or discussed.

Everyone has beliefs, and is preaching them in all that they say and do.

There are only 2 underlying religious beliefs that are possible,
despite the misconception that there are many different ones.

Either one believes in God that created everything, defined "good" and
"evil" within his creation, and made these to be knowable to his creation,
or one believes that there is no God, no "good" and "evil," and no sin. Do
what thou wilt, and might makes right.

Those that fall into the latter faith based religion which necessarily is the
belief that they are god, fancy calling their religion 'non-religious.'

Missing Wrote:

There are those who believe that God created everything, yet also believe that evil and sin are not creations of God, and therefore don't exist except in the minds of those who believe in them.

By your definitions, such a belief is impossible.

The belief that evil and sin "don't exist except in the minds of those who
believe in them" is simply the belief that anything goes.

If God created everything and either did not define evil and/or
make it knowable to his creation, then for all intents and purposes,
evil does not exist.

One can profess to believe in such a god, but it does not change
the fact that by this belief, there is no evil and no sin.

If sin and evil are beyond the ability of God to define because God
did not create them, then God is not God and, again, there is no
evil and no sin.

Missing Wrote:

Presumably, since you repeatedly condemn such belief, you don't share the belief that people should exercise authority over their own lives.

Everyone has free will to exercise authority over their own life. What
they choose to believe determines how they behave.

Hitler for instance shared your belief that "evil and sin are not creations
of God, and therefore don't exist except in the minds of those who
believe in them."

Missing Wrote:

Somebody else should define good and evil for them. Somebody like you, maybe? 85331, you seem to be awfully fond of defining choices, and insisting not only that they apply to each of us, but that there are no other alternatives. Does that, somehow, make you more comfortable than permitting us to do likewise? Aren't you giving yourself the role of God, by declaring that which is good and that which is evil, and insisting that yours is the only standard by which they can be determined?

Think about that a while.

I'm not declaring what is good and evil which you well know.

Nobody but God who created everything could possibly be qualified to
define good and evil for his creation, as well as make such knowable to
them.

See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil
(Deuteronomy 30:15)

If such God does not exist, then there is no good and evil, and no sin.

That is your belief "that evil and sin are not creations of God, and
therefore don't exist except in the minds of those who believe in them."

Missing Wrote:

you seem to be awfully fond of defining choices, and insisting not only that they apply to each of us, but that there are no other alternatives.

This is just goofy. Go ahead and offer an alternative or standard.
If you're upset because you can't, well, the truth (John 14:6) tends
to ruffle the feathers of the wicked.

Everyone is free to believe whatever they want. At least understand
what it is one actually believes, and the consequences of it.

Coming to terms with the sobering reality about one's belief can be
painful, but godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation (2 Corinthians 7:10).

Heartflowers

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 111 06-13-2012 07:27 AM

Thus why even back then, they couldn't handle the Truth! That we are living in ignorance (sin) and miss the mark of hitting the bullseye. But the truth isn't for everyone. Various degrees of truths, but the universe still stands with its cornerstone of truth. Btw, our time is so minute compared to the grand scale of things. So yeah, some may think they can get away with their crap forever, but don't last that long in the grand scheme.