Post: #3871

If anyone is telling you things are going to get better I'm afraid they are lying.

No need to be delusional about the nature of life.

Things are not going to be getting better at all. I don't think you should expect them to at all.

Nor do you need social experiences if you're not lonely or whatever, people are pressures, responsibilities, and traitors as you've seen. There are good people, but they are hard to find, I'm one for example.

Anyone who tells people life is awesome is a lying fool.

Just about everything in life is bad, but that doesn't mean you should want to stop living it, because there is nothing better surely, but one can expect worse and worse. Death for example is pretty much total bodily disability as far as we can tell, you can no longer use your body if you're dead, you're just stuck (and hopefully not experiencing it but still, pretty useless to be dead).

So my suggestion is you start minimizing everything.

Bring it down to just breathing, breathing for the sake of breathing, because it is an addiction, because it helps you live, and it might feel alright at least. Its not a good thing, but whatever, gotta do it to live.

So you breath, and then you'll also need some water, so you should get some water, drink that when you're thirsty, sometimes when you're not thirsty but just to feel refreshed. Alright 2 things.

Then you'll need food, get something you enjoy, if there is anything you enjoy, and if you don't enjoy anything, get something that satisfies your nutritional needs for survival purposes.

Know that life is constant failure, constant loss, every moment we're losing, we're born losers, we are losing time, losing energy, losing everything constantly, and we gain little to nothing. Its just the place we've been born into, it isn't your fault, thats the way of the world. You also cause loss to survive, so its a complete downward spiral for everything. Even the sun is going to be extinguished one day, so don't think it is just you who is losing.

How to win? Win what? The only goal is survival, and in the end you'll fail at that too, like everyone else so far, we all are likely going to die. So try to live as long as you can at least, just for the hell of it. Breath the air, drink the water, eat the food, maybe throw in a little exercise, tighten your muscles, stretch, try to look sexy if you can manage.

If you find moments of appreciation, try to keep them going, till you get pissed off, then let the appreciation go.

The mistake people make is telling people that life is good, lying to them, tell them that things are going to get better, making up stories, saying that there is much to appreciate.

There really isn't. Life sucks, and hopefully you'll find some relief in admitting as much. It is a miserable thing, but its the best we've got so far, to move and operate as safely as we can, to avoid harm and seek benefit as much as we can.

I wonder if the stuff I'm saying is different from what others in this thread are telling you, what others have told you.

If you want something good and easy, it doesnt exist, everything is extremely difficult. Even so, you should aim for what is easiest and avoid further complications and difficulties.

Get your little world cleaned up, start with the immediate area around you, yourself too with the breathing, drinking water, and eating, and keep the circle small. You can expand it bit by bit, making things the way you want at a longer range until you reach obstructions.

There is nothing wrong with being sad, there isn't much to be happy about, but another sort of sadness comes from false expectations, and another kind of happiness comes from coming to terms with the truth, and the truth is nothing is good, everything is bad, but deal with the circumstances as best you can to derive whatever little benefit you can and avoid the harms as much as you can. A simple strategy to live by.

Anyway, sorry for this post if it annoyed you!

False expectations lead to great disappointments.

Telling a person you are going to come home and give them a present and then you don't, makes little children cry sometimes, and they learn to mistrust the person too, rightfully so.

Likewise, telling people happy lies is just a way to hurt them more.

The dark truth can be a healing balm for the cuts and gashes one received from a lifetime of lies and false hopes.

Post: #3872

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Whats the point of working?
i dont even like money, what am i trying to accomplish in this slavery system?

Most people work to receive money in order to buy food and pay for shelter.

If you can find an ample amount of food and good shelter without money, I wish you all the best in that.

Gathering food and maintaining shelter then becomes your "work".

A shortcut is less tasking jobs which provide money for your exerted energy which you can purchase food with, rather than hunting and harvesting it yourself.

Alright? Hope that helps.

Post: #3873

Sherlock  Wrote:

1. Do you believe in UFO's and Extra-Terrestrials?

2. If Extra-Terrestrials were to make contact with mankind, would this change your view of Christianity?

3. If the Extra-Terrestrials were to make it known that they did not believe in the concept of a Monotheistic Deity would you take note and look to understand what they believed in?

1. Yes, there are clearly "unidentified flying objects" (flying objects that have not been identified), that should not be something anyone questions. It doesn't mean those UFO were "extra-terrestrials" though. I believe the Universe is really huge and full of planets as science seems to say, and that its highly likely there are other lifeforms in the Universe. I believe there are "terrestrial" entities which have been forgotten or not identified.

2. No, it probably wouldn't. It means little to me. They would just be another creation like all the "extra-terrestrial" planets and stars.

3. Yes, I'd try to understand why they were so stupid or how they actually believe in what I believe in. I'd try to convert them to my way of thinking. Then I'd use them to conquer the planet and be placed as Governor of Earth, but my ambitions may not stop there. Using newly discovered immortality technology I would seek to conquer all the worlds!

Post: #3874

The truth should never be in conflict with ones religion, they should be in line with each other, one thing.

If the Earth is found to be older than 6000 years or whatever, how would that be a problem to your belief in God?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

No matter what is discovered or found to be true, God is something that can be understood by logic as the Ultimate Source from which everything comes and which sustains everything. So nothing that exists or is real (whatever may exist and be real) is in conflict with the belief in God.

Post: #3875

I believe in the Big Crunch. I think the Universe will expand to a point (or has) and will then start to collapse (while people look on, they won't be able to realize when the collapse has started probably, just like how we view the light from stars from many years ago, not current due to the speed of light).

Anyway, after the collapse, then I believe the Universe will compress and expand again in another big bang, its probably happened many times before and will happen again.

51:47
"And it is We who have constructed the Universe with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it."

21:104
On the day when We will roll up the Universe like the rolling up of a scroll for writings, as We originated the first creation, (so) We shall reproduce it; a promise; surely We will bring it about.

Post: #3876

LoP Guest  Wrote:

PizzaPhace  Wrote:

not all muslims are terrorists
but many terrorists are muslim

not all jews are zionist
but many zionists are jews

i could go on and on....

Well, the muslim thing is really splitting hairs. The muslims who are not terrorists are usually supporting the terrorists in one way or another.

Yes, there are some christians who consider themselves Zionists, and Jews usually don't object to that as long as the christians are doing their duty to support Israel. But still, they can never make Aliyah or become Israeli citizens. Only Jews can do that.

The population of "muslim terrorists" is extremely small compared to the population of muslims as a whole.

Go look up the numbers.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all...e-muslims/

"According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions...Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two."

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

"Europol releases an annual study of terrorism; the results do not support claims that "(nearly) all Muslims are terrorists"

Islamophobes have been popularizing the claim that “not all Muslims are terrorists, but (nearly) all terrorists are Muslims.” Despite this idea becoming axiomatic in some circles, it is quite simply not factual. "

"Perception is not reality. Due to the right wing’s influence and propaganda, people mistakenly think that Islamic terrorism is the greatest threat to the Western world. It is even a commonly held belief that Islamic terrorism poses an existential threat–that the very survival of the Western world is at stake. Of course, the reality is that there are other groups that engage in terrorism on a much larger scale, yet these terrorist incidents are minimized. Acts of terrorism committed by Muslims are purposefully sensationalized and focused upon, culminating in the idea that “(nearly) all terrorists are Muslims.”"

"The FBI Terrorism Report shows…[that] the highest number of terrorist incidents in the U.S. by region (90) took place in Puerto Rico."











http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Pdo_hA5Qs

Post: #3877

LoP Guest  Wrote:

By their fruits of living and preaching God's Word in truth.
God loves everyone. God does not hate anyone. God does abhor all sin.
God destroys entire cities specifically for the sin of engaging in
homosexuality, and commands people to warn others for the good of all.
Jesus came to save man from sin. Through the blood of Christ, all sin can
be overcome, including the the practice of homosexuality.

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

Matthew 7:23
But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.'

Matthew 4:10
Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'"

Mark 12:29
"The most important one (commandment)," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, YHWH is our God, YHWH is One. (not three, not three in one, just ONE)

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but One God, the Pater (Originator), from whom all things came and for whom we live...

James 1:17
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Pater (Originator) of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows.

Mark 10:18
"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

Mark 10:19
You know the commandments...

Luke 18:19
Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? There is no one good except the One God.”
Luke 18:20
You know the commandments...

Mark 12:32
"Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him.

Mark 12:34
Realizing how much the man understood, Jesus said to him, "You are not far from the Kingdom of God." And after that, no one dared to ask him any more questions.

At the time each scripture of the Bible was written, the Bible itself did not exist. Each book is individual and comes from a different time and went through various revisions as well as:

Jeremiah 8:8
"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely by writing lies?

Corruptions.

In any case though, the Bible is the "Biblos" a collection of various Jewish scriptures, including the early Christian writings that were decided upon to be collected while others were discarded, some of which are known as the Apocrypha.

Post: #3878

ĶĨĽĿŨМľŃǺŢľ  Wrote:

God as Father?

Most of the great religions of the world believe in one God and teach the gist of the Ten Commandments.

But that the supreme being is not just "King of the Universe" or "Master" but "Father," that he desires that we have a close, familiar relationship with him these ideas you dont find anywhere outside the teaching of Jesus.

Actually the term used for Father in the New Testament was usually "Pater" and it held the meaning of "Master" as well as "Originator" in it. Here, check this out:

http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3962

"metaph.

the originator and transmitter of anything"

"a title of honour

teachers"

"God is called the Pater

of the stars, the heavenly luminaries, because he is their creator, upholder, ruler
of all rational and intelligent beings, whether angels or men, because he is their creator, preserver, guardian and protector
of spiritual beings and of all men"

_________________

God is not the literal father of anyone, because in order to be a literal biological father of someone, you generally must be made of biological material and have the appropriate body parts to be the literal father of someone, also literal fathers produce through sexual intercourse and don't really create anything.

_________________

James 1:17
Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights (stars), who does not change like shifting shadows.

Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

_________________

Malachi 2:10
Have we not all one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our fathers by breaking faith with one another?

_________________

The term Father in the region (Pater and Ab/Abba) was not considered one of affection or closeness so much as one of authority, stature, origination, respect, and lordship over the household. Only recently has the term "father" become more and more warm and cuddly, when in the past it was a thing of fear, people were to honor their father or be killed according to the Commandments for example. This ain't your modern day cuddly wuddly American "daddy".

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Pater, from whom all things came and for whom we live...

Jesus (according to the New Testament) even admonished the Jews for not following the Commandments of God killing their children when their children show disrespect for them:

Matthew 15:3 -
Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition?
For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who reviles his father or mother must be put to death.'
But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,'
he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:
"'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.
They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'"

Exodus 21:17
"Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death.

Leviticus 20:9
"'If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother, and his blood will be on his own head.Deuteronomy

27:16
"Cursed is the man who dishonors his father or his mother." Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"Proverbs

20:20
If a man curses his father or mother, his lamp will be snuffed out in pitch darkness.

_________

So, I think it is a mistake to think this was a term of endearment as compared to a term of authority.

The Father was a role of authority and fear.

1 Peter 1:17
Since you call on a Father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear.

The Ab/Abba/Pater in that region was not one of cuddly wuddly huggies but rather a role of authority and ownership over the household. In the Commandments the Father held the power of life and death over their children basically. This isn't anything like most modern fathers. It just isn't the same, its silly to think so really. I think people shouldn't misunderstand the kind of authority and power the role of the Father held in the ancient world and that region.

Axx  Wrote:

FreedomStands  Wrote:

PeeDee  Wrote:

I was told my entire life that earth was billions of years old. I thought to myself, who says ??? i have never seen with my own eyes that earth is this old. I was told by others it was, so i had "faith" that they knew what they were talking about. So its not crazy to have faith in man but crazy to have faith in God.

People base the 6000 year old thing on their own Bible chronology, but the Bible itself never explicitly sets a date to the age of Earth or the stars.

Adam was created on day six.

We know besides family chronology by the jubilees the first sacrifice God made Adam and Eve cloths from the lamb exactly 4000 years before Jesus' crucifixion.

Why are there disputes about the dating then? Go look at the various numbers people came up with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Eart...sm#Origins

"Seder Olam Rabbah, compiled by Jose ben Halafta in 160 AD, dates the creation of the world to 3751 BC while the later Seder Olam Zutta to 4339 BC.[10] The Hebrew Calendar has traditionally since the 4th century AD by Hillel II dated the creation to 3761 BC.

The Septuagint has traditionally been calculated to date the creation around 5500 BC, while the Samaritan Torah around 4300 BC, and the Masoretic around 4000 BC.[17]

Many of the earliest Christians who followed the Septuagint calculated creation around 5500 BC, and Christians up to the Middle-Ages continued to use this rough estimate:
Clement of Alexandria (5592 BC),
Julius Africanus (5501 BC),
Eusebius (5228 BC),
Jerome (5199 BC),
Hippolytus of Rome (5500 BC),
Theophilus of Antioch (5529 BC),
Sulpicius Severus (5469 BC),
Isidore of Seville (5336 BC),
Panodorus of Alexandria (5493 BC),
Maximus the Confessor (5493 BC),
George Syncellus (5492 BC),
and Gregory of Tours (5500 BC)."

"The Byzantine calendar has traditionally dated the creation of the world to 1 September, 5509 BC,
María de Ágreda and her followers to 5199 BC

while the early Ethiopian Church (as revealed in the Book of Aksum) to 5493 BC."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe

The age of the universe is the time elapsed since the Big Bang. The best current estimate of the age of the universe is 13.75 ± 0.11 billion years[1][2] (4.339 ± 0.035 ×1017 seconds) within the Lambda-CDM concordance model.[1] The uncertainty range of 0.11 billion years has been obtained by the agreement of a number of scientific research projects, such as microwave background radiation measurements by Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe and other probes. Measurements of the cosmic background radiation give the cooling time of the universe since the Big Bang,[3] and measurements of the expansion rate of the universe can be used to calculate its approximate age by extrapolating backwards in time.

The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.05 billion years (4.54 × 109 years ± 1%).[1][2][3] This age is based on evidence from radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples. Following the scientific revolution and the development of radiometric age dating, measurements of lead in uranium-rich minerals showed that some were in excess of a billion years old.[4]

The oldest such minerals analyzed to date – small crystals of zircon from the Jack Hills of Western Australia – are at least 4.404 billion years old.[5][6][7] Comparing the mass and luminosity of the Sun to the multitudes of other stars, it appears that the solar system cannot be much older than those rocks. Ca-Al-rich inclusions (inclusions rich in calcium and aluminium) – the oldest known solid constituents within meteorites that are formed within the solar system – are 4.567 billion years old,[8][9] giving an age for the solar system and an upper limit for the age of Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Earth

Post: #3879

FreedomStands  Wrote:

The truth should never be in conflict with ones religion, they should be in line with each other, one thing.

If the Earth is found to be older than 6000 years or whatever, how would that be a problem to your belief in God?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

No matter what is discovered or found to be true, God is something that can be understood by logic as the Ultimate Source from which everything comes and which sustains everything. So nothing that exists or is real (whatever may exist and be real) is in conflict with the belief in God.

One's truth is largely determined by one's beliefs, whether they are codified as a religion or not. It's the rigidity of such beliefs which often frustrates the expansion of our minds to encompass not only the truths of others, but their privilege to continue accepting truths which conflict with ours.

I agree that ideally God can be understood by logic as the Ultimate Source. Those who try to understand the activities attributed to God by intermediaries and apologists have a greater challenge, however, if logic alone is applied. Their challenge is to explain why humans insist on representing God's role in human terms, by which they justify their roles as intermediaries. Only by crafting an image of God in the likeness of man can they confer God's approval of their roles and activities.

Beginning with the premises that:

• God is perfect
• God is the sole Creator
• therefore Creation mirrors the perfection of God (for where would the imperfection come from, if the Source has none?)
  

then it must be that what is in conflict with God and perfection does not exist.

In our experiences here, we learn of many things which do conflict with perfection. Are this world and these experiences real? Could God have created a world of disappointments and loss?

The intermediaries suggest that this world was made hostile through the devices of an opponent to God ... but could a perfect God have logically chosen to create an opponent, whose role of ruination was contrary to Creation? Could a sole Creator have given the power to create misery to rival?

Clearly this world testifies of the existence of God's rival, while some religions profess that God has none.

One of those worldviews has to be an illusion.

Either this world, with its losses and evils, isn't real ... or God's perfect Creation isn't real.

I prefer to believe in the perfection of God, even if that requires me to logically disavow the reality of the world I experience. Fortunately, the experience of this world does allow me to dream, and thereby experience the impossible without having to explain how it could be made to seem real. If the impossible can be experienced, despite its unreality, it requires less effort to accept that waking life as I experience it is also an illusion.

If I can imagine that there could be a world of perfection, then I can also imagine that this world, along with my belief in its reality, is to be overcome.

Post: #3880

Missing  Wrote:

FreedomStands  Wrote:

The truth should never be in conflict with ones religion, they should be in line with each other, one thing.

If the Earth is found to be older than 6000 years or whatever, how would that be a problem to your belief in God?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

No matter what is discovered or found to be true, God is something that can be understood by logic as the Ultimate Source from which everything comes and which sustains everything. So nothing that exists or is real (whatever may exist and be real) is in conflict with the belief in God.

One's truth is largely determined by one's beliefs, whether they are codified as a religion or not. It's the rigidity of such beliefs which often frustrates the expansion of our minds to encompass not only the truths of others, but their privilege to continue accepting truths which conflict with ours.

I agree that ideally God can be understood by logic as the Ultimate Source. Those who try to understand the activities attributed to God by intermediaries and apologists have a greater challenge, however, if logic alone is applied. Their challenge is to explain why humans insist on representing God's role in human terms, by which they justify their roles as intermediaries. Only by crafting an image of God in the likeness of man can they confer God's approval of their roles and activities.

Beginning with the premises that:

• God is perfect
• God is the sole Creator
• therefore Creation mirrors the perfection of God (for where would the imperfection come from, if the Source has none?)
  

then it must be that what is in conflict with God and perfection does not exist.

In our experiences here, we learn of many things which do conflict with perfection. Are this world and these experiences real? Could God have created a world of disappointments and loss?

The intermediaries suggest that this world was made hostile through the devices of an opponent to God ... but could a perfect God have logically chosen to create an opponent, whose role of ruination was contrary to Creation? Could a sole Creator have given the power to create misery to rival?

Clearly this world testifies of the existence of God's rival, while some religions profess that God has none.

One of those worldviews has to be an illusion.

Either this world, with its losses and evils, isn't real ... or God's perfect Creation isn't real.

I prefer to believe in the perfection of God, even if that requires me to logically disavow the reality of the world I experience. Fortunately, the experience of this world does allow me to dream, and thereby experience the impossible without having to explain how it could be made to seem real. If the impossible can be experienced, despite its unreality, it requires less effort to accept that waking life as I experience it is also an illusion.

If I can imagine that there could be a world of perfection, then I can also imagine that this world, along with my belief in its reality, is to be overcome.

Great post, but I don't want to seem like a jerk by pointing out that I don't really think some of what you said is logical or follows properly.

For example, you said:

"In our experiences here, we learn of many things which do conflict with perfection."

Yes, in conflict with our idea of perfection perhaps or "goodness" for us, but that doesn't mean it isn't created without fault exactly as the Ultimate Source had intended.

Then you said:

"Could God have created a world of disappointments and loss?"

haha, absolutely, you're in it!

You also said:
"Either this world, with its losses and evils, isn't real ... or God's perfect Creation isn't real."

That is what I don't think makes good sense really. This world is real, and is "perfect" in the sense that there are no flaws in it (glitches, errors, sudden breaks) and in the sense that it may be just as intended every moment.

You said:

"Clearly this world testifies of the existence of God's rival, while some religions profess that God has none."

Why? That doesn't make sense to me either. God is the Lord of Evil, the Master of Disaster, the Terror of the Worlds, there is no other. All the religions say so. In the Bible God is known as the Destroyer (El Shaddai), the Lord of (war) Hosts, and it says explicitly in Isaiah that God created light and darkness, prosperity and disaster (good and evil).

In the Qur'an, it is God who created everything, all harm and all benefit.

Everything that exists derives from and relies upon an Ultimate Source, and that can be called God, and it is the source of all the possibilities that exist, all the vileness and horrors that exist, those things could not exist if God had not created them, but that doesn't mean they are good for our health.

"Could a sole Creator have given the power to create misery to rival?"

There is at least no real strong logical or scriptural basis for that idea though. Nowhere in the Bible or the Qur'an does it really make Satan out to be something that rivals God, that idea developed later among Christians, also with their association of Satan to the term "Lucifer" and the bitter eulogy of a fallen Babylonian King found in the Bible among other elements.

Who says death and destruction is contrary to "perfection"? The idea is probably irrelevant in our circumstances.

For example, the Bible says:

Isaiah 45:9
"Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker, to him who is but a potsherd among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands'?

Isaiah 45:10
Woe to him who says to his father, 'What have you begotten?' or to his mother, 'What have you brought to birth?'

Romans 9:18
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

Romans 9:19
One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?"

Romans 9:20
But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'"

Romans 9:21
Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?

Romans 9:22
What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath--prepared for destruction?

Romans 9:23
What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory--

Romans 9:24
What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory--

Romans 9:25
even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

Post: #3881

anka  Wrote:

I saw Promethius
Good movie, I would def recommend. Don;t see the 3D version it just isn't as good.

UGH FINALLY SOMEONE MAKES A THREAD ABOUT THIS SO I CAN SHOW ALL MY CRITICISISISISIS


ALRIGHT IS EVERYONE READY?! LETS BEGIN!

OMG I SAW THREE MOVIES!

JOHN CARTER, PROMETHEUS, SNOW WHITE, IN THAT ORDER ALL IN A ROW!

AND WOW, THERE WERE SO MANY SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THOSE THREE MOVIES!

For example (OH YEAH I'M GOING TO DO SPOILERS BUT NOT REALLY THAT BAD):

Ok so first of all.

In Prometheus and John Carter, there exists a race of beings "world engineers" who manipulate the events on worlds, AND THEY LOOK TOTALLY THE SAME:




and the same technology! It looks like funnel cake or neurons or something





, but anyway, you have to crouch on the floor to use it both times!





THATS NOT ALL!!!!!!!

Ok so in Snow White and John Carter, the hero of both is pretty much the same, a rugged guy who talks in a crackly rugged voice and failed his wife who died while he was at war, YES THE EXACT SAME BACKSTORY FOR BOTH HEROES:



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Also in John Carter and Snow White, the same thing happens! A princess, daughter of the King, with blue eyes and dark hair, runs away from her home and makes an escape when she is saved by the rugged and UNWILLING HERO (yeah in both stories the Hero is unwilling initially but through interactions with the princess decides that they will fight for them) AND IN BOTH STORIES A WAR HAPPENS TO FIGHT TO SAVE THE PRINCESS AND DESTROY THE EVIL ARMY.

In John Carter the villain is some "red skin" guy whose culture is supposed to be kind of ethnic anyway, while the good guys (team blue in contrast to the evil team red) are a Greco Roman Lord of the Rings styled people maybe. The princess comments while wearing an almost Indian (from India) styled ethnic dress how it is "vulgar" but that her opinions won't matter due to her forced marriage to the ethnic people she hates.



SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN THE SCENE FROM STAR WARS EPISODE TWO HAPPENS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AS IN THAT MOVIE:





When Anakin and Amidala are pushed into the "Arena" to battle giant monsters. Same thing happens here exactly, except this times its John "Anakin" Carter and the former Chief of the tribe.

The race is also similar to the race in Star Wars, as the males and females are identical to each other:





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Even the stuff with the CHAIN happens in both movies very similarly, where a chain is involved in defeating the beast.

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Ridley Scott must have seen clips from the recent AvP video game:







He also seemed to keep the Weyland voice like the one that may have appeared in the video game.

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IN ANY CASE THOUGH THERE IS MORE WEIRDNESS!

Not only was the back story of Prometheus and John Carter movie about a white bald race of beings who act as "archons" that need to be defeated (typical gnostic story about the engineers/managers who stay behind the scenes and guide the events of history pretending to be spiritual figures/angels are untrustworthy in the end and need to be overthrown) BUT...THERE WAS MORE!

In the movie Prometheus there is a Jesus theme where, instead of calling the robot Jesus, they call him David (probably because Jesus was the "New David, the descendant of David, King of the Jews) but in any case in the movie this Jesus character is the "only son" of the "Godlike" Peter Weyland who is the CEO of the Weyland Corporation and responsible for creating these humanoid robots and in the TED talk video on youtube talks about becoming a God and stuff, so is an obvious reference to God, and David is the Jesus figure, the new immortal man. They could've called him Adam I guess but that might have been too obvious? Jesus was compared to Adam too. Anyway Weyland is an old decrepit King of a huge corporate Empire, in another reference to Jesus, David is dealing with Weyland's feet and stuff like a typical washing the feet type scene. Anyway David is a cool character, he's trying to learn how to be human when hes actually immortal but also doesn't like humans too much.

IN BOTH MOVIES CHARLIZE THERON PLAYS PRACTICALLY THE SAME CHARACTER! A TOUGH COLD AND CRUEL WOMAN WHO FEARS DEATH AND KEEPS HERSELF LOCKED AWAY IN HER PRIVATE CASTLE AND IS THE BOSS OF THE OPERATION. Kind of annoying!

Oh yeah, and the first and only African American in space is this initially racist seeming depiction:



Dirty and smoking, and being looked down upon by an uptight white efficient blonde woman.

OH! I ALSO HATED THE ACTRESS IN PROMETHEUS SO MUCH! SHE LITERALLY WOULDN'T SHUT HER MOUTH! IT ALWAYS APPEARED LIKE SOMETHING WAS IN HER MOUTH!

After her sentences she would leave her freaking mouth opened and it would piss me off so much!





ANYWAY.

SNOW WHITE WAS THE JESUS OF THAT MOVIE. YES LITERALLY.

In one scene she basically dies and then the hero guy the huntsman played by Thor from Thor, says something about her going to be the "Queen in Heaven" among the angels, and then she raises from the dead and comes out and leaders the army of her Father against the dark forces while also muttering something about "frost to fire fire to frost" which is another way to say the usual Order to Chaos and Chaos to Order thing.

Anyway, she becomes more manlike, and the hero comments "You look dashing in male" (mail) but come on, it seemed like a play on words!

Ugh these guys just looked annoying:



In one scene Snow White (who it is said represents LIFE ITSELF, just like the woman in Prometheus, and probably even the princess in John Carter, who gives a second chance to the living, and those who have emotionally died like John Carter and the Huntsman) meets with the WHITE STAG HIMSELF, the HORNED ONE that Wiccans love so much for no good reason considering there is only one reference from the "Pillar of the Boatsman" to one Cernunnos (who also doubles as a reference to Satan and "carnal/natural vitality and desires to some Satanists) in any case she meets him and is "blessed" by him.





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ANYWAY IN JOHN CARTER, THE "GODDESS" was called ESUS (PRONOUNCED LIKE JESUS) by the ignorant greenies who were foolishly devout, while the others pronounced it "ISIS". Some weird lines like "By Jesus!" and stuff due to the pronounciation.

OH YEAH AND ITS SO OFTEN THAT PEOPLE ARE PAINTED ENTIRELY BLUE WHEN THEY BECOME EMPOWERED:



You've seen it elsewhere surely! Its something they actually do sometimes! "They" YOU KNOW WHO I MEAN!

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OH YEAH! I WAS ANNOYED BY THE MINORITY REPORT TECHNOLOGY, the same annoying hands in the sky swipe screen thing was in Prometheus:



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WHAT ELSE!?

Both movies end in an incomplete way, the Archons have not been entirely defeated etc.

Both Snow White and John Carter are about Princesses who run away and are rescued by a rugged dashing hero while they are being pursued by the enemy who then convince the unwilling hero to overcome his sadness about his dead wife who he failed to protect while he was at war and fight in a war to against the enemy.

Oh yeah, Snow White kisses a girl disguised as a man and eats a hairy apple, haha maybe the hairy apple is a reference to a womans pee pee, but it happens in a quick succession one after another and when she arises from her "death" she is more manly.

Oh in Prometheus and John Carter the theme is that Religion is Fake, you're being manipulated by Archons, uh...

OH Prometheus had a slightly annoying scene but maybe it represented Christian ignorance, but in any case there were muslims going in a funeral procession and there was a white archeologist and his little daughter and she asked "why aren't you helping them?" and he explained that they don't want his help because "their God is different from ours".

Anyway there were other annoying scenes where this opened mouth woman now grown up would say "because that is what I choose to believe" when asked for proof for believing she was created by the Archons and doubting Darwinism. lol its SO ANNOYING WHEN PEOPLE SAY THAT, YEAH OF COURSE PEOPLE CHOOSE TO BE STUPID BUT ARGH! The way she says anything though was pretty annoying, especially leaving the mouth opened afterwards lol.

Oh yeah, also in possibly all three movies, but at least in Snow White and Prometheus there is the idea of "dying" in a preserved state and then waking up illuminated (basic Masonic ritual) and Snow White even says as much:

"All these years, all I've known is darkness, but I have never seen a brighter light then when my eyes just opened...and I know that light burns in all of you!"





The heroes also look very similar at the start of the movie, hair at about the same length, and short beard (John Carter and the Huntsman, and both their scenes begin with a Bar Brawl after which they are "called to duty" which they refuse to perform initially).

Anyway, what seeing these three movies showed me was basically that they want you to get the Memo, they will put the same exact stuff in three movies so that no matter what if you see any movie you'll get the messages they want.

Oface  Wrote:

This Archon thing is fascinating. It really rung true somehow. How come nobody talks about this?

lol nobody talks about it?

Everyone talks about it!

It is a theme found within tons of groups.

The whole "reptilian" thing has its basis with the gnostic concept of Archons, the Scientologists have it, the Satanists and Luciferians, any group based on Gnosticism has it. It is a theme in tons of movies (as discussed in the Prometheus thread), it is the storyline of The Golden Compass (His Dark Materials) series, and many many MANY MANY MANY OTHERS!

You're CONSTANTLY barraged with this SAME STORY, OVER AND OVER.

Maybe you just didn't notice?

Here is the ONE STORY (with some variations at times):

There are many Gods and Powers, Too many to know, Alternatively "Higher Beings" or "Advanced Alien Races" spread all over the Universe and perhaps beyond or in alternate dimensions as well.

One of these beings (often called the Demiurge meaning Public Worker) was born and in ignorance or arrogance came to believe he alone was the only powerful creature that existed.

Using the materials that already existed, he formed things like the Earth and the humans and whatever, or at least took credit for such things. Perhaps before that he formed the Archons (Angels) which helped him to make whatever and then were forces which manipulated and managed events.

Humans were created using a divine essence which the demiurge borrowed from somewhere. Satan/Prometheus/Lucifer/The True God etc then came to help the humans and free them by telling them to eat the apple so they could ascend to their true natures as Gods/Advanced Beings themselves.

That is the basic story. EVERY TIME, OVER AND OVER, IN TONS OF MOVIES, TONS OF BOOKS, TONS OF GAMES, CONSTANTLY.

Sometimes they present it to you through "good aliens" saying these things, sometimes they present it as other things.

The story doesn't really change much, it can easily be identified by the basic theme of "You can be Gods!"

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LoP Guest  Wrote:

THE QURAN COMMANDS MUSLIMS TO KILL ALL "UNBELIEVERS":(Surat 48:29) Those who follow Muhammad are merciless for the unbelievers but kind to each other.
(Surat 8:12) I will throw fear into the hearts of those whodisbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger.THE QURAN DEFINES AN "UNBELIEVER" AS ALL WHO CONFESS CHRIST AS LORD:(Surat 5:72) They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah,
the son of Mary" [see Surat 8:12 above]
THE QURAN COMMANDS THAT ANY MUSLIM WHO REFUSES TO KILL A CHRISTIAN IS HIMSELF TO BE KILLED:
(Surat 5:51) O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are in fact allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is one of them. [see Surat 8:12 above] THE QURAN THREATENS THAT ALLAH WILL SEND ANYONE WHO REFUSES TO KILL A CHRISTIAN TO HELL:(Surat 5:72-73) They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has
forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
(Surat 5:51) O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are in fact allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is one of them.[therefore in addition to being killed (see Surat 8:12 above), that muslim will go to hell (see Surat 5:73 above)] The only time a muslim is excused from having to kill a Christian is if the Christian renounces Christ as Lord and submits solely to allah. Most so-called muslims are very embarrassed as to these commands in the quran, and many do not obey them (which makes them counterfeit muslims), but will instead lie bitterly about these unequivocal commands. And of course some just have no idea what the quran actually says: (Surat 2:191) slay them wherever ye catch them(Surat 2:216) Fighting is prescribed for you(Surat 9:5) fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem Expect a bunch of fantastically ridiculous lies about these self evident verses to be spewed below, likely an unintelligible mish mash of fantasy and cries about 'self defense'.

Lets discuss your misleading information 85331.

You quoted verses, so lets show a more complete version so deceptive scaremongers might be able to better see what it actually says:

Firstly, your attempts, besides being intent on misleading people, have a two fold negative effect of trying to convince muslims that the Qur'an says to actually kill all Christians, which is a lie too. So you're both misleading non-muslims and muslims alike. Surely it would be best that you stop spreading lies, but you've persisted in your transgression even despite my showing you all the verses earlier, but I'll show you again:

First let me begin with what the New Testament claims Jesus said:

Luke 19:27
But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

Among the 613 commandments of the Bible, one is that you must personally slay anyone who even mentions another God to you, even if they are your own family members, you must be the first to strike them. The Bible is full of pre-emptive attacks on those who are considered disbelievers.

Deuteronomy 13:6
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" gods that neither you nor your fathers have known,
Deuteronomy 13:7
some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other,
Deuteronomy 13:8
do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him.
Deuteronomy 13:9
You must certainly put him to death. Your hand must be the first in putting him to death, and then the hands of all the people.
Deuteronomy 13:10
Stone him to death, because he tried to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

...

Deuteronomy 13:15
you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock.
Deuteronomy 13:16
Gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the LORD your God. It is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt.

The Qur'an does not permit such things as you'll hopefully see...

Now to address those verses you mentioned, here is a more complete version of those verses, please read them carefully:

You mentioned

Surat 48:29
Surat 8:12
Surat 5:72 - 73
Surat 5:51
Surat 2:191
Surat 2:216
Surat 9:5

Here they are!

48:29
Muhammad is the Messenger of God. Those who are with him are firm and unyielding towards those who deny the truth, but compassionate towards one another. You see them bowing and prostrating themselves, seeking the grace of God and His good will. Their marks are on their faces, the traces of their prostrations; This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Injeel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.
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8:12
When your Lord commanded the angels, saying, "I am with you, so make those who believe stand firm. I will instill fear in the hearts of those who deny the truth: so strike their necks and strike all their finger joints."

(A command to the angels to instill fear in the disbelievers gathered for war against the muslims, to strike their finger joints to make them lose their grips on their weapons.)
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5:72
Indeed, they deny the truth, those who say, "Behold, God is the Messiah, the son of Mary" - seeing that the Messiah said, "O children of Israel! Worship God [alone], who is my Sustainer as well as your Sustainer." Behold, whoever ascribes divinity to any being beside God, unto him will God deny paradise, and his destination shall be the fire: and for the unjust/evildoers there are no helpers.

5:73
They are deniers of the truth who say, God is one of three. There is only One God. If they do not desist from so saying, a painful punishment is bound to befall such of them as are bent on denying the truth.

5:74
Will they not, then, turn towards God in repentance, and ask His forgiveness? For God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.

5:75
The Messiah, son of Mary, was but a messenger: like all messengers who had passed away before him; and his mother was one who never deviated from the truth; and they both ate food [like other mortals]. Behold how clear We make these messages unto them: and then behold how perverted are their minds!

5:76
Say: "Would you worship, beside God, that which has no power either to harm or to benefit you-when God alone is all-hearing, all-knowing?"

5:77
Say: "O followers of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds [of truth] in your religious beliefs; and do not follow the errant views of people who have gone astray aforetime, and have led many [others] astray, and are still straying from the right path."

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(War allies)

5:51
O you who believe! Take not for yourselves the Jews and the Christians as protectors/helpers. Some of them are protectors of one another. And whoever among you turns away to them, then, he is of them. Truly, God guides not the the ones who are unjust.

5:55
Your protectors/helpers are only God and His Messenger and the believers who say their prayers and give charity to the poor and bow down in worship.

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(Can it be more clear than the following?)

2:190
Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

2:191
And slay them wherever you find them, and drive them out of the places where they drove you out, for oppression/persecution is worse than death. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of the disbelievers.

2:192
But if they desist (from war and fighting), then lo! God is Forgiving, Merciful.

2:193
Fight them until there is no more oppression and religion belongs to God alone. If they desist (from fighting), then let there be no hostility, except towards aggressors.

2:194
Fight during the sacred months if you are attacked: for a violation of sanctity is [subject to the law of] just retribution. Thus, if anyone commits aggression against you, attack him just as he has attacked you - but remain conscious of God, and know that God is with those who are conscious of Him.

2:195
Spend for God´s sake, yet do expose yourselves to ruin through your own hands. Do good: God loves those who act kindly/do good.

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2:215
They will ask you as to what they should spend on others. Say: "Whatever of your wealth you spend shall be for your parents, and for the near of kin, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer; and whatever good you do, verily, God has full knowledge thereof."

2:216
Warfare (in defense) is enjoined on you, though it is abhorrent to you/hated by you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is harmful for you, and God knows, while you do not know.

2:217
They question thee with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression), but to turn people from the way of God, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater (transgression) with God; for persecution/oppression is worse than death. And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you renegades from your religion, if they can. And whoso becomes a renegade and dies in disbelief: such are they whose works have fallen both in the world and the Hereafter. Such are rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein.

2:218
Lo! those who believe, and those who emigrate (to escape the persecution) and strive in the way of Allah, these have hope of Allah's mercy. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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9:1
God and His Messenger declare disassociation from those with whom you made a contract among the ones who were polytheists who violated it:

9:2
So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken God and that God will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.

9:3
A proclamation from God and His Messenger to mankind on the day of the greater pilgrimage: ´God is free of the idolaters, as is His Messenger. If you repent, it will be better for you. But if you turn your backs, know that you cannot thwart God.´ Give the disbelievers the news of a painful punishment

9:4
Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, who have not subsequently failed you in any of the terms (by breaking the agreement) and have not assisted/backed up any one (warring) against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely God loves those who are careful (of their duty).

9:5
Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the (warring) idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and give in charity to the poor, then leave their way free. Lo! God is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:6
And if anyone of the idolaters seeks your protection, then protect him so that he may hear the word of God, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.

9:7
How can there be a treaty with God and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom you made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship? So long as they are true to you (the terms of the treaty), be true to them (and the terms). Lo! God loves those who keep their duty.

9:8
How [else could it be]? -since, if they [who are hostile to you] were to overcome you, they would not respect any tie [with you,] nor any obligation to protect [you]. They seek to please you with their mouths, the while their hearts remain averse [to you]; and most of them are iniquitous.

9:9
They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do.

9:10
And they observe toward a believer neither pact nor honour. These are they who are transgressors.

9:11
But if they repent and establish worship and give charity to the poor, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.

9:12
But if they break faith after pledging it and revile your religion, then fight these leaders of unbelief, so that they may desist, for they have no regard for their pledged word.

9:13
Will you not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first? What! Do you fear them? Nay, it is God Whom you should more justly fear, if you believe.

9:14
Fight them, God will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.

9:15
And He will remove the anger of their hearts. God relenteth toward whom He will. God is Knower, Wise.

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So there you go, hope you read all of that. As you can see, it never says to go around killing random people just for the sake of killing people. One is only allowed to fight if attacked, to fight in defense, one is not to begin hostilities or be an aggressor.

Cosmah  Wrote:

Christians shouldn't point fingers...


Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. Deuteronomy 17:12

Death for Blasphemy
Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. Leviticus 24:10-16

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. Leviticus 20:10

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. Zechariah 13:3

Kill Sons of Sinners
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. Isaiah 14:21

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' Exodus 31:12-15 NLT

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. Exodus 22:19

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. Deuteronomy 22:20-21

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. Leviticus 20:27

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. Proverbs 20:20
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. Leviticus 20:9

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. Leviticus 21:9

You Have to Kill
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. Jeremiah 48:10

Kill Your Neighbors
(Moses) stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, "All of you who are on the LORD's side, come over here and join me." And all the Levites came. He told them, "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: Strap on your swords! Go back and forth from one end of the camp to the other, killing even your brothers, friends, and neighbors." The Levites obeyed Moses, and about three thousand people died that day. Then Moses told the Levites, "Today you have been ordained for the service of the LORD, for you obeyed him even though it meant killing your own sons and brothers. Because of this, he will now give you a great blessing." Exodus 32:26-29

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Today,,

I have mostly been reading Mr freedom stands thread..You are an intelligent chap..

What other stuff do you write..And are you really a rouge Psycologist?

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pingu  Wrote:

Today,,

I have mostly been reading Mr freedom stands thread..You are an intelligent chap..

What other stuff do you write..And are you really a rouge Psycologist?

haha rouge psychologist! Wow you remember that haha!

Thank You very much! I'm really happy someone is taking the time to read some of this thread. It is jam packed with information related to various things related to philosophy, religion, history, mythology, and much more!

I ended up providing lots of Biblical quotes since I figured the audience may be largely Christian or at least more prone to hearing the Bible, but the thread was meant to compare various religious beliefs and practices to show their similarities and how they seemed to be talking about the same concepts.

Later, upon realizing that people actually had a very different idea when they said the word "God", I moved posts related to a different concept of "God" (one that I feel is more in line with both logic as well as the ancient beliefs found in the various religions rather than the "man-gods" that many who are Christian or non-religious seem to imagine today when saying the word "God").

So the order became:

1. God need not be an absurd or "unnatural" concept that relies on blind faith, but can instead be derived from logic, though the God of logic (and the religions) is not what many seem to imagine today (when they appear to imagine an old man in the sky).

2. The religions across the world had relatively the same descriptions for God as well as the same religious practices and many of the same beliefs like the belief in Judgment. One can derive from this a kind of basic human religion or proto-religion that is the underlying framework of most ancient religions.

3. Seeing that the beliefs were potentially reasonable as well as widespread and practiced by almost all human ancestors, one might feel encouraged to practice this simple basic religion:

That there is an Ultimate Power/Source which everything comes from and depends on in order to exist and be animated.

That meditative exercises such as ritual cleansing and "worship" were likely continually practiced throughout the world due to their usefulness is finding a sense of humbleness and peace of mind.

That the religions of the world all taught roughly the same virtues such as kindness, giving charity or assistance to those in need such as the poor or helpless.

That is about it, the proto-religion has basically those 3 parts, belief in the Ultimate Power, meditative exercises like formal worship, and good deeds such as charity.

In the end it was believed that one would be judged based on their conduct and either rewarded with a kind of peaceful residence in the afterlife (paradise) or punished for their cruelty and misconduct.

These practices and beliefs existed from Africa and Egypt to Vedic India and China, from Northern Europe to the various Mediterranean communities.

1. Belief in an Ultimate God (not a man-god).
2. Same style of cleansing and worship.
3. Encouragement of good conduct and charity towards the needy.
4. Belief in Judgment, paradise for the good, punishment for the bad.

So that is what this thread was about, but it covers much more.

The initial article on page one which was moved down now was actually inspired by irritation at Mormon beliefs, since they most literally believe in a literal "man-god". So I wanted to show people that this was not really the idea people had around the world, and it is also not the idea the early Christians even had (as one can see by the writings of the early "Church Fathers").

I'm repulsed by the idea of a "man-god" or "form-god". I'd never call such a thing God, and towards such ideas I'm an atheist. Even if such things exist somewhere in the Universe or elsewhere, I would never call them "Gods".

Only the absolute Ultimate, encompassing all realities, animating all information, is what I'd call "God".