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Easy Religion in a Nutshell
FreedomStands
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I was reading a history book once, and it seemed to say war was something all humans did throughout history, killing each other constantly, regardless of "Abrahamic Religions". In Japan, in China, in India, In Africa, even before Christianity and Islam existed and Jews for the most part were a tiny unheard of group until Christianity put them on the loud speaker.

I don't blame these people for the troubles of the world. Humans are violent animals, who are becoming more tamed perhaps over time. Now we massacre and murder through video games rather than finding real people to slash and bash (most of the time).

No, the source of all evil, all troubles, all violence is not people. Go dip your head in the ocean for example (through your tv screen perhaps) and watch the violence Unda the sea. Fins torn off, eyes gouges and made blind. Go to the forest, ants terrorizing insects still alive, tearing them apart or carrying them away to their deaths.

This reality itself is evil and violent, everything about it. I think its really silly and narrow to think violence is unique to people who follow modern religions. Violence is nature, and part of life and reality itself, part of animal life, and even deep in space stars explode violently and rocks collide with planets leaving giant scars like on the moon.

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Sweet  Wrote:
Where are you?

Heartflowers

Hello! Sorry for not responding the day I returned!

I haven't been visiting this website often or at all since my last visit, but in the meantime I discovered something I think is really fun (since I like things like this):

LibriVox!

LibriVox is an online archive containing lots of things, but what I'm most excited about and have been listening to are their selection of audio books! Some of the audio books have fun readings (while others are not so easy to listen to).

Here is the link for anyone interested:

http://archive.org/details/librivoxaudio

It contains lots of old writings like those available for free from Project Gutenberg, being read by various volunteers.

One short text I listened to related to the topic of this thread, was Germania by Tacitus, a very old text that discusses the ancient Germanic tribes at the time of the early Roman Empire.

In that text it states explicitly that the Germanic tribes did not believe that God had an image, and thus made no images, but rather believed in the abstract omnipresence of God and would worship God at various holy sites such as sacred groves. They believed they were the slaves of God and lived by God and were very similar to other religions in that sense.

Then I listened to some chapters of a History of the Conquest of Mexico by Prescott. In that, in the third audio clip, it stated that the Aztecs and probably their Toltec predecessors believed in a Supreme and Ultimate God that had no image, but was omnipresent and omnipotent and pure, existing everywhere and was called "By whom we live" to indicate that reality itself was controlled by the most powerful.

These are things that I've discussed in this thread, but it is nice to see confirmation in even old texts.

I have many pages opened to listen to, bit by bit. I listened to a short story by Dunsany, but the ending was a little annoying. I've also been studying a work by Tolkien, the Silmarillion.

I've also been casually looking back at things I've studied, such as the racist and prejudiced meta-narrative relating to the European and Christian opinions of muslims, and how it has influenced literature and media presentations to this day. For example, C.S. Lewis, and it can be said even Tolkien were likely racists, with C.S. Lewis appearing the more vile and less sympathetic, yet his writing is good. I listened to his little mentioned "Space Trilogy" (at least the first few chapters of the first book) and even though it was a great story (with some things slightly difficult to imagine due to complicated descriptions) there still appeared a tinge of racism which apologists claim was a product of his times (though it should be mentioned that others from his time were not nearly as racist or were much more sympathetic and kind when dealing with descriptions of non-europeans).

Critics of C.S. Lewis in regard to his racism point usually to his description and dealings with the Calormene of his stories, especially prominent in "The Last Battle".

Another Christian apologetic writer and novelist was G.K. Chesterton, who often said insulting things about muslims, but is an extremely enjoyable writer, possibly more entertaining and humorous than C.S. Lewis.

During research of Richard Burton, who snuck into Mecca to writer an account of the practices during the pilgrimage to the Kaaba, I came upon an extremely horrific website (like many others) dedicated to pure hate and hoping intently for the murder of all muslims due to ignorance and prejudice, as well as what is likely a projection of hate on muslims stemming from an otherwise helpless feeling in their own lives.

I was aware of such websites, but I think it is worth exposing some of the hate that exists in the world (and some of it I found rather funny). I will post some of my findings at the bottom of this article.

It is worth noting that since the earliest encounters with muslims, Christian writers have associated certain things with them, and designed over time an image that corresponds directly with the "Charr" in games like Guild Wars. Literally describing them as demonic black dogs with horns. In the case of the Charr in Guild Wars, they later seem to be called cats, though in their initial design they seemed to be more canine clearly.

I've felt similar hate filled sentiments in some of the posts on LOP and GLP, but in the blogosphere there appears to be even more freedom to spew out rabid calls for the genocide and nuclear annihilation of much of the world's population (which is muslim, men, women, and children).

The primary individuals involved in such hate propaganda are a plethora of Christian factions, militant Zionists, and nationalist Hindus.

The exact same sort of hate and venom was leveled against muslims from the earliest times, by those who refuse to learn. Similarly, Jews have also been attacked in this way throughout Europe and Russia, and still are to this day. The most obvious difference between Jews and Muslims is that the Muslim population is huge compared to the Jewish (Sunni Islam is the single largest religious denomination in the world, a position formerly held by Roman Catholic Christians some years ago), yet vast ignorance still pervades much of the world regarding Islam, even among neighbors like in India and China where muslims are a sizable part of the population.

The new tactic of the enemies of Islam (probably the same as ancient tactics) is to claim that everything a muslim says is a lie, so not to believe them when they try to inform an individual of anything. This shuts off all communication, and allows the prejudiced person to remain in their fantasies regarding the religion.

In medieval times in Europe, it became popular to claim that muslims believed in a variety of Gods and idols (when the muslims have always been staunch monotheists, dedicated to an imageless idea of God).

One such being was Termagant, a word and name that has no basis in anything Islamic, but seems entirely invented out of nowhere by Europeans.

Termagant was claimed to be the dictatorial and evil God of the muslims, who would rant to them and bid them to perform their vile and destructive activities.

Even at the time of such works of fiction, there were sympathetic views of muslims (known usually as saracens and pagan foes), with various muslim male and female heroes appearing in some literary works of the period.

During this time, and earlier times, conversion to Islam was not unheard of, and many may have felt there was a legitimate threat of becoming a Saracen or falling to the "paganism" of Islamic monotheism.

Thus symbolic walls of defense were put up through the use of outright lies which persist to this day.

Mostly today, the common lie by various groups is that Allah is a "pagan moon God" or an "idol" or a "demon" and thus Christians and others should avert their eyes from the study of such a religion, not only because of its infernal origins, but also due to the vile nature of its founder who is most often claimed by opponents to be a pedophile among other things.

"European politicians being bribed, subverted and blackmailed into promoting Islam by bacha bazi boysex orgies. A very sinister development:"

"We need to be alert for Western politicians and other opinion formers acting in an unusually pro-Islamic way. They may have been subverted by participating in petrodollar-funded bacha bazi orgies."


"Islam breeds corruption, and corruption breeds Islam."

"In 'The Land of The Pure' , when boys are not being transformed into human bombs, they are sodomised with impunity'"


Some humorous (in their ridiculousness) article titles:

"Muslim rapes Christian toddler for refusal to convert to Islam"

"Sexual Jihad - Demoralising and Humiliating the Infidels by Sexual Degradation"

"Mohammed the woman-hating toyboy"

"Intercrural intercourse - 'thighing' children"

"Child rape, torture, enforced urine drinking, sexual sadism and Islamic ritual murder"

"Charlene Downes: Pimped, Raped, Murdered by Islamic Pedophile Gang then minced into burgers and fed to non-Muslims"

"Islamic Gang Rape and Pedophilia as a 'Community Activity'"

"Sexual attraction to mineral specimens. Oral vaginal sex with a meteorite."

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DXqF4whwu9I/Tr..._Islam.jpg

"How to DESTROY Islam
The only option for defeating Islam is to undermine it in the same way we undermined communism - by a slow process of ideological warfare.

There are three factors driving the growth and continued existence of Islam in the West.

(1) Immigration

(2) Undeserved public respect for Islam as a 'religion', when actually it is a primitive, anti-rational, totalitarian criminal conspiracy -- a combination of the Mafia and the Nazi Party.

(3) The 'strong horse' effect -- all the special privileges and legal immunities that Muslims in the West enjoy, so there are no social or material (as distinct from spiritual) incentives for them to abandon their cult.

There is thus no incentive to abandon their predatory sociopathic cult.

WE MUST REVERSE THIS SITUATION!

Destroying and replacing Muslim beliefs
Islam may appear hard, but it is also brittle. A small crack anywhere in the structure can spread throughout. Islam claims that the Koran is the literal word of God, which was dictated to, but not written by, Mohammed.

So it's an all-or-nothing cult. Any fault in the Koran, or doubts as to the truthfulness of Mohammed, can cause the whole system to disintegrate. Muslims already subconsciously realise this, because they fly into tantrums whenever either Mohammed or the Koran is 'disrespected' .

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rPwtQYR00pM/TY..._islam.jpg

We need to satirise and ridicule baby-bonking Mo until the Muslims fly into uncontrollable tantrums, then ridicule them even more for their tantrums, and repeat the process until they froth at the mouth and steam comes out of their ears.

In contrast everything in Islam originates from the uncorroborated testimony of one pedophile, and pedophiles are notorious liars and conmen.

If you destroy the credibility of Mohammed, you destroy Islam.
The primary target of the propaganda counterjihad must be Mohammed. If Mohammed is revealed as an imposter, a fraud and a conman then the Koran and Hadiths are worthless raving and ramblings, mere sound and fury signifying nothing.

Of the two 'universal' religions - Buddhism and Christianity - the most suitable Islam-substitute is probably Christianity and is better fitted to Muslims' intellectual capacities than the more philosophical Buddhism. The churches must therefore be encouraged to minister to Muslims, protect apostates, and even set up covert online churches where Muslims may privately convert to Christianity without taking the risks of 'coming out' by declaring their true faith while thy are still vulnerable.

Muslims inhabit a different moral universe from the rest of us, where good is evil and evil is good

There is no Golden Rule in Islam. There is no place for conscience in Islam. Peel away the thin veneer of religiosity, and all you find is vicious, primitive, predatory tribalism.

Destroying Islam Virally from Within
It's recently been suggested that if Islam is treated as a contagious mental illness - a mind-virus or 'meme' - it might be possible to vaccinate against it in the same way that the harmless cowpox virus can vaccinate against smallpox.

The idea is to spread the 'metameme' - the meme carrying the meme theory - in the hope that it will lead Muslims to realise that Islam is a mind-parasite.

If you are a sexually repressed teenager, who suddenly realises that the promise of 72 virgins for killing kuffars is nothing more than the mechanism for a mind-virus to ensure its dominance over competing memes, by eliminating their carriers, then you may be less enthusiastic about blowing yourself and fellow passengers to pieces in a train or bus.

Destroying Mohammed's street cred among 'jihadi cool' youths.
'Jihadi cool' Muslim youths in the west are a thuggish, predatory and parasitic criminal underclass of gangstas. Our normal standards of rationality and morality do not apply to them. They are also severely inbred which means that most of them are of low intelligence if not actually psychopathically insane. They have no loyalty to their country of residence nor any intention of obeying its 'man-made laws', just an arrogant sense of unearned entitlement and the Allah-given right to rape and pillage at will.

Many young Muslim boys are involved in pimping kuffar children by befriending them before handing them over to older 'cousins' for prostitution.

The Muslim mind is pre-rational, predatory and tribal. Appeals to reason are no use because they believe that faith is superior to reason, and the fact that the Koran is full of contradictions doesn't bother them in the slightest. Islam hasn't had an enlightenment and is still in the Dark Ages. In fact, the cult justifies itself in terms of a power-structure maintained by physical threats and lynch-mobs rather than reason or spirituality.

Pointing out that Muslims are useless parasites on the West is also not going to make them change their ways, because that's what they are unashamedly here for.

The way to get at them, is to damage their inflated and fragile egos. Because Muslims are at a tribal state of pre-civilised development, they venerate the totems of their tribe

Why we must stop legitimizing Muslim grievances
'There is no surer path to Muslim violence than through the legitimization of Muslim grievance. And once you accept the legitimacy of the grievance, then you are also bound to accept the legitimacy of the violence that follows.

- Muslim immigration must be stopped.

- Islam's status as a religion should be rescinded.

- Muslims must be regarded as enemy aliens and banned from sensitive occupations where they may be a security risk.

- All illegal Muslim immigrants must be deported, or if they can't be sent back to their countries of origin they must be held in internment camps

- Cousin marriage must be banned to disrupt their breeding cycle and spare the Health Service the cost of their inbred offspring.

- Remains of terrorists should be buried in pigskin, Russian style, to prevent them entering paradise.

- Kuffars should boycott Muslim businesses and products.

Muslims regard infidels not as fellow human beings, but as walking opportunities for plunder , parasitism and rape.

Islam is not a religion. It is an international criminal conspiracy like the Mafia.

"Everything an infidel needs to know about Islam on one alphabetically ordered webpage."

"Take the example of the Indian Governor of Gujarat. Every time local Muslims get annoying -"Mysteriously" Garbage is allowed to fester, water gets scarce and electricity sporadic in Muslim Enclaves. Must work - India by and large has remained Hindu/Jain/Sikh."

"I think we will win a WWIII without too much trouble.

There are a number of Muslims in the West but as most Muslims are either unemployed, and better still live in their own ghettos, they can be quickly isolated.

The second is that Muslims, like most people, but specially Muslims, wish to be on the winning side. They will not move to assist us, but neither will they move against us. If they did though, the fact that most are ghettoised, it will be easy to quarantine them.

Third, the very crushing defeat that will be ongoing on the Islamic world will paralyze the enemy within.

Defeating the ideology is good. Unfortunately, as Islam is a warrior creed, it will not accept defeat unless it is defeated on the atomic level.

The problem with islamic people is that they usually only show their true nasty colours towards us disadvantaged nonbelievers.
That is why many rich nonbelievers go around taken in by their socalled kindness.

muhammad was a fairly amorous gentleman so are his followers. i m not surprised when muslims express their desire to eliminate the big 3 - america, isreal & india.
not sure how much india can control islam as it has got 20% muslim population but usa & isreal can play a big role in accordance with russia !

A voice of reason:

"Cynical_Realist said...

trencherbone, I'm afraid that your ideas in dealing with Islam are unrealistic and unoriginal. The reason I said this is because many opponents before you proposed similar ideas and those ideas failed to bear fruition. Also, Islam should not be in the same league as Communism and Nazism. Communism and Nazism are recent phenomenon that didn't reach maturity which is why it is easier to attack them. Islam, on the other hand, is an established ideology with 1400 years under its belt and has stood against the test of time.

I'm sorry, but I guarantee you that 1400 years from now, Islam will be alive and well. And I'm pretty sure someone else like you in the future will post the same old thing on a blog while being oblivious to the fact that many critics in the past (and present) have tried to discredit Islam, but failed to achieve their goal in practice. It's called reality check."

More madness:
""islam" is a scurdge and pestulance and no less than an afront against all human kind. There is NO fear and a surdge of all that is good will destroy it, a menace. No promise of any FAKE PROPHET here. the falsehood and nonsense stops now as we Americans will see your erradication to fruition. (sic)

islam equates to EVIL and no concept of God. It is obvious to anyone with a mind carefully pearched against the ledge of pure hatred begging the one and only God to forgive that which is pure evil

: You know, the same Creator who designed sunsets and sunrises; who made apples red and oranges orange colored; who designed the turtle, frog, praying mantis, the smile of the boy or girl. This same Creator also told Mo' to tell everyone past and in the future to go to Mecca, and do what?

How completely idiotic.

You want to give lethal wounds to the Qur'an. This will cause the Beast to die."

"A few voices in the wilderness said, NO, Islam is a threat to all of us, some Christian teachers even dared to say they(muslims) do not worship the Christian God but a god of darkness & evil. very fer people listened."

"Intelligence is Good. Intelligence is Cool. islam is neither. Hence islam will literally dissolve. Without mecca and medina there is no islam. Period.
After islam is Irradicated we can think about nuclear disarmamment and all things peacefull and noble. Till then we have to wait . We have to. There is no option. They want us all dead and we want to live.... got any brighter ideas?
Cheers !!"


".. imagine your grankids being made to shout alllahhh ho aakkkhhbbaarr...."

"First things first .. The koran is not a holy book..it is the most evil and racist and sexist book ever written. It is a slur to the written word. It is an insult to human intelligence. Have no doubt. Read it to disbelieve it .The Koran is PURE NONSENSE."

"muslims need to move out en masse to something like buddhism. Or mass suicide. One can only hope."

More outright lies that can easily be checked out by reading the Qur'an:
"Let's not forget that Islamic prayer includes a ritual of repeated MELODIC repetition of the first verse of the Koran, a verse that has been interpreted since its authoratative interpretation in medieval times, and still is today, to be a curse on Jews and Christians.
The first Sura or chapter of the Koran contains the MELODIC CURSING of the Jews and Christians that is repeated five times daily in prayers. So the next time you hear the melodic Islamic call from the nearest mosque you helped build remember they aren’t calling you …they’re calling FOR non-islamic deaths."

This one seems like some kind of weird spell:
"Muslims to the MAD end ….no guts….no guts to leave islam …. No guts… no guts to take an educated leap out of islam ….no guts to leave islam behind and save his future family…..no guts to leave islam….no guts…muslims have no guts. Even evil osama had no guts to leave islam even though he saw that islam was evil and willed and instructed his kids not to jihad which is at the core of EVIL islam…. The evil osama guy knew islam was evil but again no guts to leave islam…no guts…muslims have no guts to do good…no guts…muslims JUST have no guts. Period. WHAT MUSLIMS HAVE IS ONLY SHAME AT BEING MUSLIM AND SHAME FOR NOT HAVING THE GUTS TO LEAVE EVIL ISLAM. SO THAT SHAME THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH SO THEY ACT PROUD. ISLAM IS STUPID AND KEEPS IT’S FOLLOWERS STUPID TILL THEY DIE. SHAME SHAME SHAME.
If muslims could leave islam without being extinguished by other muslims how many muslims would be left on the planet ? Answer : Zero or none. It is only the threat to one's life that keeps islam evil and populated. These scared muslim slaves of invented allah are doomed forever in the dead hands of the madman who invented evil allah and brought a curse on everything and everyone islam touches. Islam haram. Repeat after me ...islam is not halal (good) , islam is haram (bad). Understand?
So in the end what will happen to islam? Will islam just vanish? Islam has to be abolished.
So in the end what will happen to islam ?
Will islam just vanish?

Suggesting terrorism against muslims:
"first the aswan dam then mecca then medina then floorwipe."

"CatholicSaviour! said...

for our muslim brothers, is it not obvious yet that Koran teaches crime and sins? Why is it that all of you still remain as fools? you keep on defending your faith if it teaches extermination of nonbelievers and recial inequality?

Next. Why is that Christians have better living than muslims? because we are civilized. much more advance

How about Islam? few are rich. many are poor and uncivilized.
there are evidences. and you have no soul.
"

"You even threaten our lives.

Is that the teaching of Islam. SHAMELESS FOOLS!"

"Go undercover of social networks. Do not use entrapment but pose as a "friend" asking questions and showing interest in the persons true beliefs. If you run into a radical/pro-jihadist person- note their profile URL, take screencaps of important chats, posts, photos, etc. and REPORT them to the FBI or Homeland Security (they have a website to report suspected terrorist activities). We can not be lax if we run into terroristic talk on the internet. It must be taken seriously."

"so will Muslims killing Muslim over nonsense do the same. Something about lots of dead bodies and brother killing brother that makes for cooler heads to prevail."

"I do think it must be made painful to believe in this nonsense that somehow the book is written by god. Sorry but only imbeciles buy that nonsense. And imbeciles can be deadly if not controlled like common farm animals."

When the religion and its cultures mature, then give them a seat at the table of modernity. But as I said, that will take lots of Muslims Civil Wars and lots of muslims killing muslims.

drop a tsar bomba on mecca, medina, ryhaid, 1-10 megatons on larger muslim cities, 1 megaton on smaller cities and 100,000-300,000 Kton on cites 10,000 & smaller

Necat Omnes, Necat Omnes! allah Suos Agnoscet

islam is the vile evil "religion" / cult of hate, war, conquest, intolerance, forced conversion, torture, enslavement!, FGM....etc....
"

"The were / are the slavers of the world

islam is the ancient arabian pagan cult of the moon god allah.:
Islam is the ancient arab pagan moon god cult, allah was the moon god's name the moon god's symbol was ther crescent mood same as that of islam....

muhammud was a demon inspired (see "satanic verses") pedophile.

: If we need to correct or even erase false teachings, start from Islam first, this dangerous and nonspiritual religion.

: switch to Canadian oil sands, starve them of money, keep any muslim from entering civilization, cordon sanitaire the muhammedan countries, stop any kind of help and cooperation to muslim countries, then sit down and wait till typhoons, monsoons, earthquakes, tsunamis, epidemies and islamic violence take care of the muslim vermin."

Hindu Nationalist:
"Vinay Shetty said...

I agree with the in-breeding part of it. This has definitely led muslims to become mentally retarded and paranoid persecutionist/delusional.
: But in the Hindu Pantheon of 330 million Angels (mis-translated as "gods" by the retarded muslims)

There is greater genetic diversity, leading to exceptional intelligence and beauty."

(Actually, the muslim populations tend to have much more genetic diversity than Europeans, but he doesn't know that.)

He continues:
"The second reason is the arranged marriages between first cousins. The Mullahs are well aware of the mental retardation it leads to, but encourage it, as it creates a brainless population which cannot think for itself and is willing to carry out the murderous commands of the Mullahs.

Also since music and drama and all fine arts are condemned in Islam, even the few intelligent muslims, who are not the by-products of incest, cannot understand aesthetics and poetry.

So if we have to free muslims from their murderous faith, the only option we can give to them is Christianity. Christianity is a simple religion. Just replace Mohammad with Jesus. No great philosophical enquiry. But it also introduces muslims to ideas like morality

But then their mental retardation prevents them from understanding metaphor and figurative expressions.

The threat of Islam is greater than the threat of Nazism. In fact, if Hitler had won, while we all would have become Germans, there would still be music, art , drama and all the fine arts, and those capacitites which differentiate humans from animals."

I found the "All become GERMANS" somehow part funny

"Of course all this would be mis-directed and even Asuric, but then such a civilization could still be saved by a future Jesus or transformed by a future Krishna."

(Asuric is a reference to the Asuras, which later become demons in Hindu belief).


"But if Islam succeeds, what we would see is the end of civilization as we know it. The civilization would go down several notches down due to destruction of all art and creative work (including science and technology).Since there is going to be widespread incest, plus rejection of higher human attributes, humans would actually devolve. Within three generations we would all become Chimps and Monkeys or even worse.

If we do not win the war against Islam, in a couple of generations, we would end up being sex crazed chimpanzees. Is this what we want?

If we don't destroy all Islamic leaders now (non violently), they will destroy us.

DESTROY NON VIOLENTLY, I found that pretty funny.

"Just show them lots of Hindi films, TV serials and blue films. They like sex and they like full women. Their mullahs will try to prevent them from these and youth will resist."

"there's an african proverb saying: "there's nothing. it's just a man who is scared you're letting your own white-christian fellows destroy the earth and you're complaining about so-called vampires or whatever... what the "hell" can a religion do to you? nothing."

thats a REALLY LONG PROVERB

"the one that is going to be demolished, destroyed by the real Son of God. Our Savior, He will not delay, justice will be served in the end of time. Baruch HaShem!"

"I agree with the attack on Mo. Here are my quick contributions:
Islam: the world's largest non-prophet religion.
Islam: the world's largest NGO (non-godly organization)
Islam: the cult of piece
Slogans that are distillations of truth."

"I suspect the vast majority of them, especially the women, given the freedom to choose would not choose to worship a pagan moon god by shoving their asses in the face of the true G_d's face five times a day and seeking to destroy his chosen people."

We heard "Baruch HaShem and "G_d" so that should give an idea of the factions involved.

"If you want to end Islam destroy the Kaaba.
The cult will self implode within three years
after that."

Someone chimes in:
"Why so much hatred people why?? You all are talking about killing a lot of people...this is not humanity..if you really want to have knowledge of something..if it is right or wrong..go hardcore..read books from all the religions you are comparing...don't trust on websites, blogs or media. Don't be so lazy...try to find out on your own...don't listen to anyone else...you have enough brain to find out the truth"


"If you want to end Islam destroy the Kaaba. The cult will self implode within three years after that.

As I have been saying for years; it is REALLY AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

Otherwise I differ from the poster on one point only, I claim that implosion of that hideous Cult won't take three years, as he thinks, but will occur instantaneously.

I reason in following way:
For the masses of moslems the most powerful and decisive emotion binding them to Islam is fear of guaranteed hell that awaits the unbeliever.
For moslems Allah is first of all THE ultimate, perfect torturer, the omnipotent designer of infinite, both in time and intensity, agonies. They fear him the way a slave fears a brutal, sadistic, whimsical and mighty master. Of course, moslems believe in world-creator Allah, but ultimately it is Allah’s supreme creativity in bestowing endless horrible death, and not his life-giving powers, that make Moslems worship and adore him with slavish, ardor of a dog.

Beside the Koran, there is only one physical object that Moslems believe Allah had placed on Earth whose sacredness, by virtue of its being created and “PERSONALLY ” presented by Allah, infinitely exceeds all and every man-created object of worship in the world. And that is Kaaba.

Moslems believe that although it is hypothetically possible that the infidel may destroy every mosque on Earth it is inconceivable that Allah may allow the destruction, or slightest desecration, of that most sacred marvel - the visible and tangible symbol, sign and seal of Allah’s omnipresence. There is no doubt in Moslem’s mind that should the infidel attempt to strike the Kaaba with entire Western military might Allah would destroy the attacker by turning his weapon against him. Allah is the super-hyper-Macho and would never put up with humiliation by the unclean infidel. And that, I am sure, identifies the fatal brittleness of Islam.

A moslem I talked with many years ago said derisively: “your God may let himself be crucified between two thieves, but Allah would never tolerate attack on his infinite dignity”. I responded by asking if the destruction of Kaaba by the infidel would be a sufficient proof that Allah doesn’t exist. I never forget the expression of utter bewilderment on his face. The man was totally traumatized and he left the place shortly after without answering, which only confirmed what I knew.

I believe that in the deepest recesses of slave’s (including Moslem) soul, no matter how submissive and terrified, there is a tiny timid voice that wishes his merciless master dead. Now the only way gods die is when exposed as false god and to expose Allah as sham is what the West should and easily could do. If the West with a single tomahawk missile directed at Kaaba demonstrates to Moslems that Allah is not only not omnipotent, but impotent, the Moslems will joyfully "kill" him as they use to kill a deposed satrap they had revered only a few days earlier.

A billion and half people would be freed from the dungeon of Islam and join the rest of humanity in our common journey."


"The best way to destroy Islam (short of blowing up the Kaaba and burying it in pig poo)

Somone implores:
"C'mon lets open the Qurans ourselves and see what "anti-rational" evil, violent stuff they have in there, if it's not there then what your saying isn't true... Listen to other's opinions but do your own research and form your own, don't just fall onto the bandwagon! Think, Reflect and be a decent person. "

"My personal wish is to personally decapitate each and every member"


Finally:
so u calling muslims and islam are terrorism .. answer this !! Who started the first world war ? Muslims ? Who started the second world war ? Muslims ? Who killed about 20 millions of Aborigines in Australia ? Muslims ?? Who sent the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Muslims ?? Who killed more than 100 millions of Indians in North America ? Muslims ?? Who killed more than 50 millions of Indians in south America ? Muslims ?? Who took about 180 millions of African people as slaves and 88% of them died and was thrown in Atlantic ocean ? Muslims ?? No , They weren't Muslims!!! First of all, You have to define terrorism properly... If a non-Muslim do something bad..it is crime. But if a Muslim commit same..he is terrorist... So first remove this double standard...then come to the point!!! , . . . . . and EDU ur self .!

"Islam is ugly, primitive, scary and evil and it encourages pedophilia."

"Islam, yeah never liked the religion, my parents are Muslims(I think). I never thought my self as one of those weirdos thinking and praying to old breaded guy. I never, even when i was a child, thought of my self as being a Muslim. They use violance, even if you tell your own parent i don't want to be part of this religion, they'll freakin' kill you. then leave the country. Yes they're extreme and everyone of them must be stopped, I wouldn't mind a all out war. Just nuke them, every freakin' country there are to many muslims, in immigrant muslims? well simple, kick them out, get them to one place, and do something"

"islam just bull shit like all cults thugs really parasites living on the backs of the working man maggots worse than maggots"

Dehumanization of the Jews in propaganda was part of the program with the nazis (National Socialists).

"just introduce them to booze, sex, drugs & rock'n'roll, they will never go back!"

"cult crazy cockroaches like any tribal loving maggots"

"Damn muslims must be distructed immediately."

Altamash Ansari said...

huh .... noneffective article ....the author of this article must have to born infinity times to defeat Islam. A single sentence "La ilaha illalla Muhammadur rasulallah" is sufficient to defeat the anti islamic world.

La Ilaha IllAllah, Muhammadur RasulAllah means There is no god but Allah (The One God) and Muhammed is the messenger of Allah.

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Thank You! If anyone has any questions about the various topics that I seem to like to discuss, (and is having difficulty contacting me) please feel free to email me at freedomstands at live dot com. I check that email once in a while, but not regularly. I haven't been on LOP for a while (as discussed in the above post) but you can ask your questions and make comments in this thread as well or contact me through the PM function here (but if I don't respond soon, you may have a better chance through the email).

Thanks again for visiting my thread, and thanks to all those who have read it either entirely or even some of my posts, I sincerely appreciate your efforts and strongly encourage anyone with even the faintest taste for knowledge to pursue it thoroughly!

I just looked through the threads on LOP, and there was a hilarious video posted that nobody commented on. I found it very funny:

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You will never, ever go wrong if you aim your prayers to the Ultimate, the Greatest.

... And the Smallest. The Alpha and Omega. The Absolute.

Deuteronomy 4:29 ... you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.
... purify your hearts, you double-minded Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.
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I never did understand why religion is important. I suppose that people who lack an innate sense of ethics and compassion need to believe in external forces to give them a reason for good behavior.
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Who dat?


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The first to do time, The first in the gang to die....oh my!
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I never did understand why religion is important.

Beliefs, the assumptions are inevitable for reasoning. You cannot reason without postulate first.
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I never did understand why religion is important.

Beliefs, the assumptions are inevitable for reasoning. You cannot reason without postulate first.

I agree, but when it comes to religion, the postulates become beliefs, bypassing the reasoning stage. When reasoning takes place it is selective with the purpose of proving the postulate. In a true reasoning system one makes a postulate then tries to find evidence for both proof and disproof.
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I never did understand why religion is important.

Beliefs, the assumptions are inevitable for reasoning. You cannot reason without postulate first.

I agree, but when it comes to religion, the postulates become beliefs, bypassing the reasoning stage. When reasoning takes place it is selective with the purpose of proving the postulate. In a true reasoning system one makes a postulate then tries to find evidence for both proof and disproof.

True. You are describing a dead belief system. = Supersticion.
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You will never, ever go wrong if you aim your prayers to the Ultimate, the Greatest.

... And the Smallest. The Alpha and Omega. The Absolute.

Deuteronomy 4:29 ... you will find Him if you search for Him with all your heart and all your soul.
... purify your hearts, you double-minded Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart.

Alpha doesn't imply smallness so much as denoting the first or foremost place, the "first and the last" is what the term "the Alpha and Omega" is usually thought to mean since it relates to the Greek Alphabet and the New Testament in its earliest known form is written in Greek, though it is thought to derive from earlier Aramaic sources. The Greek Alphabet is based on the Phoenician Alphabet which is a semitic language alphabet, even though the Greek language is "indo-european" in its spoken origins, though they seemed impressed by surrounding cultures and had long adopted things from the semitic languages as well as concepts from the ancient Egyptians who they also seemed to greatly admire.

There is logically, no matter how poetic one may wish to be, nothing "small" about God (I'm not talking about the humanoid version people seem to be talking about today) other than that God is infinite, which means compared to everything and anything God is larger, though the term "large" usually denotes something which has a definite size defined by limitations of which what I call God would have none (no such limitations, thus everything before the infinite and unending would be infinitely "small). On the other hand, one should not imagine God to be distant due to trying to think of God as infinite, since an infinite would also be present everywhere, inside and out, near and far.

What I call God encompasses all reality and information and actively animates and supports its existence. It is the first and utmost basis on which everything depends. I've explained this in some of the posts linked in the first post in this thread.

In conclusion, though large is a false association in some ways to something that is infinite (since large can definite a size or limitations by which one can measure it), it is probably closer to think large than to think small (which gives the impression of even tighter restrictions on size). The truth of the matter is, whatever is actually infinite in size has no limitations, pervades everywhere through and behind everything, surrounding everything inside and out and not limited by any restrictions and also not ending in any direction nor growing but just like if you go in any direction you would still be traveling within and through it. Space and the Universe seems to have a limitation defined by the barrier of the "radiation wall" that we can't see past, making it possible to imagine the whole of a Universe surrounded in an expanding egg shape of radiation from the big bang.

The Universe within the Infinite would be an indefinitely small immeasurable speck (one of many possibly) that may expand and contract and expand like sparkles (and this may be only one type of possible physical reality, there may be types that are entirely different and follow entirely different laws) but all that would exist in what I call the Ultimate and Infinite One.

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I never did understand why religion is important. I suppose that people who lack an innate sense of ethics and compassion need to believe in external forces to give them a reason for good behavior.

Religion can be thought of as meaning simply "beliefs + practices". Religions are basically just having beliefs, and having practices usually related to those beliefs. Many people come to share certain sets of beliefs and practices and those become a denomination, and all those that are similar are considered part of a larger umbrella religion.

Nobody has an "innate sense of ethics and compassion" as studies have shown a person who is not spoken to or raised by anyone ends up largely retarded in development and can not communicate and may not understand ideas like "ethics and compassion" which depend greatly on culture and communication with others.

Everyone has beliefs and practices, and these are their personal "religion". Not all religions are "organized" and even some that are called "organized" do not have any real "organization" controlling them, unless the term refers to "organized canonical scriptures".

A human is born, and if left entirely alone, will end up thinking differently and developing differently (as in not developing, or seeming "slow" since they will be unable to speak at the same level as someone who was raised by people).

A human, since the earliest times, depended on other humans to survive, to learn from childhood through imitation the customs and culture of whoever they are raised by. This helps them develop their cultures sense of "ethics" and "compassion" of which it is largely unknown if such concepts exist in someone with developmental retardation from little to no contact with humans from their earliest years onward. There have been cases of that, and it appears that many concepts we take for granted like "ethics and compassion" are not "innate" but something we learn through intercourse (that is, communication) with our parents, friends, community, and whatever culture we are most exposed to or attracted to.

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Stupid chat-bot. I don't believe in your programer.
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Who dat?
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Jesus he liking the sponge bob.YAYCheer

When I say "the Ultimate" or "the Hypsistos" or mention "Panentheism" or anything like that, I'm not making accusations towards any figures, saying "this is the Ultimate, or that is the Ultimate" as if pointing to this object or that, be it a person or otherwise. When I talk about the Ultimate, I'm talking about whatever is actually the Ultimate. By this I mean "whatever at all is the utmost and most ultimate". Logically this can be understood as having some qualities, which I've mentioned, such as being one, infinite (unending and pervading everything, not limited by anything greater), having the utmost ability (power), the utmost knowledge (information), and things like that. So I'm not saying "spongebob is the Ultimate" or making any accusation towards any objects, but saying that "What(ever) is the Ultimate, is the only thing worthy of being called "God" in my opinion, since it would be whatever has nothing greater than it, and everything would ultimate be depending on it."

So it is known by qualities derived from logical reasoning, and there is no object which I can point to which I think is a true representation of the Ultimate, which can not be logically encompassed by anything, such as a form.

So when I say the Ultimate, I mean the Ultimate. The uncreated first basis upon which everything ever after rests and relies on in order to exist, that manifested all that exists and animates and supports its existence.

The Christians might say that Jesus is the Ultimate incarnate, which is an accusation they are making, and which can be argued, but the Christians (at least in the early days, especially before the various development of the standard trinitarian creeds, but also afterwards) do also believe in the logical Ultimate I talk about, but they go further to add that the Ultimate fully incarnated into Jesus who they also say was killed on the Cross, descended into the realm of the dead, and came back to life after 3 days (among other things they claim).

In reply to the Christian view, I would say that absolutely all that exists is "incarnate" in the sense that the Ultimate fully pervades and is behind everything in order for it to exist, and thus Jesus was made up of information like anything else, and since Jesus has a form, it is not a complete representation of the Ultimate which can not be encompassed by form or vision since it exists everywhere absolutely and is unending in every direction. If you were to give it a single color for example, we would be unable to see anything at all, if you were to give it solid substance, nothing but it would exist and there would be no space for anything else. Instead, The Ultimate is whatever ultimately underlies all information and reality, pervading everywhere, in and through everything, everything directly connected to it through dependence on it. In other words, all the information we see is being actively upheld by the Ultimate, and moved by the Ultimate.

I'd also point to the Christians that their own scripture has Jesus praying to God and saying that God is superior. So even though we and the rock and the cross and Jesus and Marco Polo were all made up of information that originated from the Ultimate, depends on the Ultimate, and is controlled by the Ultimate, it doesn't mean that any single piece of information or all information or a combination of information that makes up an object according to our senses is a complete representation of God.

That means that God encompasses all information (and vision) yet nothing encompasses or grasps or contains God (or else whatever did would be the Greater, and thus whatever contained would be lesser and thus not what I call God).

The Bible, which the Christians claim to believe in, also says in other words what I've said above, that God can't be contained, not even by the Universe.

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