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Easy Religion in a Nutshell
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kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-29-2011 01:56 AM)
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Dr Who is my hero
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Did you see the videos I posted here?

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Oy-Eldri...pid1170034

I've only recently gotten into Doctor Who, I had never really seen it before!

No, I didn't, where did the one in here go?
I don't watch much online, rather spend my time talking, but thanks anyway.
The new Dr Who has been very good mostly, I've harboured a desire to be his companion, and I'm still hoping that's what will happen when I die
;)

I'm hoping to be a Timelord, so we'll see how things work out!

I removed the video in here because I didn't want to confuse people since I've been mentioning the epithet "The Destroyer" in this thread, and then it shows this character calling himself that.

I really enjoy that scene though, were the earlier Doctor Who played by Tom Baker meets Sutekh the Destroyer. In that scene, they kind of show bowing as a bad thing to be resisted at all costs. One of the villains in that episode is called Ibrahim, and he's a servant of Sutekh who gets killed by him after summoning him.

The mockery towards prostration, which was common in early Christianity as well, can be found in some of the latter stories of C.S. Lewis who made a civilization of people called the Calormen who are a mock version of "Oriental" societies, like those in the Middle East and India from a bunch of eras. He makes fun of their dark skin color, and their bowing to God, who they call Tash in his story. In the story they try to promote the idea that Tash is the same as Aslan, but Tash is apparently an evil demon. It is pretty racist and offensive in general.

Again, it seems there is a large push in the media to depict devotion to God as a repulsive behavior to be abhorred. Even in this forum there are some who believe that it is evil to show humility and respect before God, and that bowing down and prostrating are evil. This was not the belief of the whole world in the past, and those gestures were the primary form of worship, so much so that the word for worship in some languages was the same or related to the word for the prostration and had prostration as its root meaning.

I was not too pleased when I saw the latest Narnia movie, where it depicted them actually praying to Aslan the lion, like a form of idol worship. Aslan in the story that mocks Eastern society claims that all evil goes to the God Tash, while all good goes to him. Only a single Calormene makes it to what might be Narnia's heaven, after traveling there by boat. There he meets Aslan who tells him that all his worship to Tash went to Aslan instead.

Here is an article that discusses some of what is in the books I am talking about:

http://ang-band.livejournal.com/133803.html

The push against humbleness and submission to God is widespread in most forms of media, where the villain is depicted as some kind of super power that must be resisted, often merely because the villain is a super power.

God is the true super power, having full omnipotence. People are brought into this world are left with a choice. They can either ignore the One Power and avoid seeking its help and benefit, or they can seek benefit from the One Power. The choice seems simple, yet so many choose not to show any respect or love for God, mocking and jeering, and in the end they are said to lose. The loss is really only their own, they had ample opportunity to show devotion to God.

I'd strongly suggest including prostration to your form of worship when you're ready. What it usually meant is "deep respect" "worship" "complete surrender" to the Ultimate Power, the Ultimate Reality, the One God.

Do you mean talking on the forum, or do you use a chat program like msn, yahoo, skype, or aim?

I usually use skype.

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LOL at the Dr Who stuff!

I need time to think about what you've told me about worship, and Narnia, but it is Sunday, so I have the time :)

By 'talking' I meant writing in here and GLP and Acidpulse.us and my blogs..
I don't even have skype installed yet, I've only recently acquired a new laptop.

Thanks again for all the info Freedom.

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LOL at the Dr Who stuff!

I need time to think about what you've told me about worship, and Narnia, but it is Sunday, so I have the time :)

By 'talking' I meant writing in here and GLP and Acidpulse.us and my blogs..
I don't even have skype installed yet, I've only recently acquired a new laptop.

Thanks again for all the info Freedom.

You're very welcome!

Feel free to discuss anything you've found interesting mentioned on the first page when you cross over it.

I'm interested in what things people didn't know, what things catch your attention, and what things are memorable for you!

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FreedomStands  Wrote: (05-29-2011 02:22 AM)
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FreedomStands  Wrote: (05-29-2011 01:23 AM)
Did you see the videos I posted here?

http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Oy-Eldri...pid1170034

I've only recently gotten into Doctor Who, I had never really seen it before!

No, I didn't, where did the one in here go?
I don't watch much online, rather spend my time talking, but thanks anyway.
The new Dr Who has been very good mostly, I've harboured a desire to be his companion, and I'm still hoping that's what will happen when I die
;)

I'm hoping to be a Timelord, so we'll see how things work out!

I removed the video in here because I didn't want to confuse people since I've been mentioning the epithet "The Destroyer" in this thread, and then it shows this character calling himself that.

I really enjoy that scene though, were the earlier Doctor Who played by Tom Baker meets Sutekh the Destroyer. In that scene, they kind of show bowing as a bad thing to be resisted at all costs. One of the villains in that episode is called Ibrahim, and he's a servant of Sutekh who gets killed by him after summoning him.

The mockery towards prostration, which was common in early Christianity as well, can be found in some of the latter stories of C.S. Lewis who made a civilization of people called the Calormen who are a mock version of "Oriental" societies, like those in the Middle East and India from a bunch of eras. He makes fun of their dark skin color, and their bowing to God, who they call Tash in his story. In the story they try to promote the idea that Tash is the same as Aslan, but Tash is apparently an evil demon. It is pretty racist and offensive in general.

Again, it seems there is a large push in the media to depict devotion to God as a repulsive behavior to be abhorred. Even in this forum there are some who believe that it is evil to show humility and respect before God, and that bowing down and prostrating are evil. This was not the belief of the whole world in the past, and those gestures were the primary form of worship, so much so that the word for worship in some languages was the same or related to the word for the prostration and had prostration as its root meaning.

I was not too pleased when I saw the latest Narnia movie, where it depicted them actually praying to Aslan the lion, like a form of idol worship. Aslan in the story that mocks Eastern society claims that all evil goes to the God Tash, while all good goes to him. Only a single Calormene makes it to what might be Narnia's heaven, after traveling there by boat. There he meets Aslan who tells him that all his worship to Tash went to Aslan instead.

Here is an article that discusses some of what is in the books I am talking about:

http://ang-band.livejournal.com/133803.html

The push against humbleness and submission to God is widespread in most forms of media, where the villain is depicted as some kind of super power that must be resisted, often merely because the villain is a super power.

God is the true super power, having full omnipotence. People are brought into this world are left with a choice. They can either ignore the One Power and avoid seeking its help and benefit, or they can seek benefit from the One Power. The choice seems simple, yet so many choose not to show any respect or love for God, mocking and jeering, and in the end they are said to lose. The loss is really only their own, they had ample opportunity to show devotion to God.

I'd strongly suggest including prostration to your form of worship when you're ready. What it usually meant is "deep respect" "worship" "complete surrender" to the Ultimate Power, the Ultimate Reality, the One God.

Do you mean talking on the forum, or do you use a chat program like msn, yahoo, skype, or aim?

I usually use skype.

I already use the Islamic prostration, it happened quite naturally.
I've been attending a 5rhtyhms dance group, in which we let our bodies respond to music (in a safe environment and with respect to the others, no talking and no touching)
it was within that dance that I found myself in that posture, it felt natural and right, and I use it now in my own worship.
I agree with all you said about worship, in these times, it is partly why I love the Pope so much, he doesn't compromise the Truth.

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I forgot to say, last Sunday I went to a sunrise dance, it was the anniversary of my father's death..
it was very beautiful, but I won't describe it here,
the Sun represents God to me, and I used the posture to renew my
submission to His will.

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I forgot to say, last Sunday I went to a sunrise dance, it was the anniversary of my father's death..
it was very beautiful, but I won't describe it here,
the Sun represents God to me, and I used the posture to renew my
submission to His will.

Heartflowers

Wow, I'm really glad you use that gesture of submission.

The sun has often been used as a metaphor for God, but seeing how great the sun is, imagine how much greater the creator of the sun is! The sun isn't even a speck of dust before God the infinite! Nor is the light of knowledge produced by God limited in its scope. Nor can anything block out God, as we might hope to block out the sun!

Sounds like you're on the right path!

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I already use the Islamic prostration, it happened quite naturally.
I've been attending a 5rhtyhms dance group, in which we let our bodies respond to music (in a safe environment and with respect to the others, no talking and no touching)
it was within that dance that I found myself in that posture, it felt natural and right, and I use it now in my own worship.

Absolutely excellent!

Someone mentioned Islam earlier in this thread as being the reason the individual in the video might also hate Jews. I provide an Islamic or Qur'anic perspective in the following post.

kalamity koolWrote:
I have to be honest, and ask you if you believe in violent ways to bring in the Kingdom of God?
Excuse me if it offends, I don't think you do, from what I understand so far..

I'll answer from a specifically Qur'anic perspective if that is what you were asking for?

Contrary to popular belief and the activities connectec to purported muslims as presented by the media, the Qur'an does not allow random acts of violence, nor is there an idea present of those who follow the Qur'an having to bring it to people violently or to induce the Kingdom of God upon the Earth.

The Qur'an is very clear when it comes to the conditions of war or violence, and these relate strictly to self defense. When war is openly declared and people seek to directly kill you, the Qur'an gives permission to defend yourself and fight oppression. A Muslim is never allowed to declare war or start a war or perform any act of aggression such as hitting a person outside of personal self defense. The Qur'an even speaks against raising your voice and shouting unless in dire need or in self defense.

The Qur'an also states that in seeking retribution for an act of violence, that forgiveness is better than the policy of "an eye for an eye", and to have mercy on people, just as the muslim seeks mercy from God. Almost every chapter of the Qur'an (called surahs) start with "In the name of God, the Beneificient, the Merciful". The concept of mercy and peace is thoroughly ingrained throughout the Qur'an, where the greeting of muslims has always been "Peace be upon you".

The Qur'an further states that there is "no compulsion in religion" and thus, one is not allowed to try to force religion on another, nor can they.

The Qur'an states repeatedly to leave disbelievers alone, and states that it is not the responsibility of anyone to convince people of religion or make them believe. Rather, it instructs Muhammed (who the Qur'an is speaking to) to merely convey the message. If they believe and follow it, it will be to their own benefit. If they do not believe and do not follow it, it will be their own loss.

The Qur'an states that God does not benefit or gain anything from worship or sacrifices, but rather, these things benefit us. Sacrifices for example, were not to be wasted, but are to feed the poor. Worship is for our own peaceful rememberance of God, and God is ready to respond and help anyone.

Bringing "The Kingdom of God" is not within the power of anyone but God alone according to the Qur'an, and it is not the responsibility of anyone to bring it by any means, nor is it possible to bring or rush forward. Judgmenet day is at a set time, and nobody can bring it forward or set it back, the Qur'an says. Similarly with death. All deaths are at exactly the time, and exactly the place they are supposed to happen, in the way they are supposed to happen. All these things are controlled by God alone, and so it is only God that one can ask for help from.

In the Qur'an, it was also never the responsibility of people to harm or destroy any civilizations.

The Qur'an has no generational curses that blame children for the crimes of their ancestors, nor any concept of original sin. The Qur'an never calls for the genocide of any people. The Qur'an states clearly that all people are equal, and men and women are also equal, judged equally according to their individual conduct, that only they themselves are responsible for what they do. The Qur'an is clear that there are no people who are better than other people, or races, but that we are the human race who God created, the best in conduct individually is the better person. People often think women are subordinate to men in Islam because of mistranslations or misinterpretations of the Qur'an, it is clear that women and men are equal, judged equally, but are obviously different in their responsibilities.

For example a female can give birth to children, and so men are asked to help in caring for children by assisting their wife and child financially. Women are allowed to work and do everything normally. Women are allowed to divorce their husbands, nor can they be held in marriage against their will, nor are there any marriages determined by anyone other than the female ultimately. These kinds of rights for women were unheard of at the time, everywhere in the world. Yet Islam is attacked regulary as oppressive to women. Even polygamy isn't allowed, the Qur'an is clear that multiple wives can not be treated equally and an individual should only have one.

All the animals, and even the planets and the sun and the moon are considered alive and having souls, and are surrendered to God. Thus, it encourages a deep respect for all nature and all the creations of God. For example, I don't even kill insects, and I try to save them from water or other circumstances whenever I can.

This is because in the Qur'an, animals and even insects are depicted as having full intelligence and personality, being "people" and sometimes "communities" just like humans. Solomon in the Qur'an is given the miraculous ability to understand the communication of animals, and so even hears the communication of ants when they send a distress signal to one another on his approach. The Qur'an specifies that the ant is female, which is accurate since all worker ants are females.

The Qur'an has amazing science in it, not known to the world at the time until only recently. This science is not codified or hidden, but is laid out apparent as proof for the Qur'an. For example it discusses the formation of the human embryo in the womb, things deep in outerspace, deep in the earth, and many other amazing things that science has only recently discovered.

So in conclusion, from a Qur'anic perspective, one can only defend themselves and is not to be an aggressor. It is God who rewards and punishes people. People are asked only to worship God, be kind and gentle, and to do charity.

Though I use the Bible frequently in quotes throughout my thread, I have some major issues with it. The depiction of Prophets in the Qur'an is that of extremely soft hearted and gentle people who were far from cruel, having deep sensitivity and innocence. The depiction of Prophets in the Bible is somewhat different, and when I read those sections of the Bible I'm almost brought to tears. In the Bible, Noah is found drunk and naked and cursing his own child for many generations just for seeing him. Lot's daughters perform incest on him to keep their race pure. Entire groups of people, men, women, children, and even animals are massacred pre emptively. When Saul has mercy on some of the people, he is punished by God and loses his Kingdship to David who is depicted as a mass murderer. Abraham is depicted as lying, and others depicted and tricksters. Sacrifices are depicted as savory for God as if God is eating them. In Christianity it is believed that an innocent man had to be murdered in order to forgive sins.

All of this, I consider terrible slander again God and his devotees. None of these things are in the Qur'an, the Qur'an is full of justice and goodness, rather than insane tyranny. Ironic that the Qur'an is known as a book of terror and terrorists, when it is completely free from the repulsive aspects of the Bible.

So the God I "know" and believe in, and the Prophets I believe in, are all very good, undeniably good. The God never does injustice or asks for cruelty, and instead, punishes the evil doers when the time comes, and otherwise gives everyone much mercy and time to fix their conduct, providing all life with sustenance and guidance. The messengers I believe in were wonderful people, of excellent conduct and morals, who conveyed one message to the world: Worship God Alone and Do Good. That is "Islam".

The Qur'an never requests anything impossible or without reason. So I tend to prefer it over the Bible, though I use the Bible primarilly on the internet to bring people who are already Christian to the practice of worshipping God, as was practiced by early Christians as well. I rarely use the Qur'an online because of the massive hostility towards it, it is one of the most unreasonably abhorred books, though it is completely free from much of the things that could be considered vile in the Bible.

So to finally answer your question:
"do you believe in violent ways to bring in the Kingdom of God?"

No, absolutely not. I believe that only God can bring about such a Kingdom, that only God can punish the unjust truly, and only God can bring about whatever God wants to bring about. Our only option is to seek benefit from the source of all benefit, and that is God alone.

I believe it is absolutely just to allow people to defend themselves, not asking them to sit and let their persons, family, or children to be murdered by being passive. Outside of self defense, I do not believe that anyone has the right or authority to declare war on anyone. If a war is declared and you are being hunted down and oppressed without a way to escape, then you should fight back. Isn't that fair?

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Why is it that so many are obsessed with Jewish origins and who is or isn't a jew.
When no one ever questions the origins of the "palistinian" people?
Satan really has a hold on you guys.
And the current racists who are bound for hell.

The "origins" of the people of this world are all the same.

The palestinian people originate from the same place as the jewish people.

Did you know that? Well, you can read the Bible, it makes it quite clear.

Hannukah, as you may know, is actually a celebration of the Maccabees massacre of Greeks and Jews who had become friends and were worshipping together. The Maccabees didn't want Jews to be friends with people (perhaps for fear of lossed traditions), and so they killed them all, greeks and friendly jews alike.

Here are some other things I've found and wrote in a message:

You may need to examine the Bible a little more closely in that case, since some of the most unreasonable seeming violent genocides are supposedly ordered throughout the Bible by the very same God. I don't accept that God ever orders terrible Genocides though, and another religious text shows me terms that I find are reasonable enough to believe that they are the kind that God would probably have, rather than demands on people to kill every single man woman child and animal, as things in the Bible suggest God said.

Here are some examples from the Bible:

1 Samuel 15:2
Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

15:8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
15:9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.

15:10 Then came the word of the LORD unto Samuel, saying,

15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.

15:18 And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.

15:19 Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the LORD, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the LORD?

15:32 Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.

15:33 And Samuel said, As the sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.

29:5 Is not this David, of whom they sang one to another in dances, saying, Saul slew his thousands, and David his ten thousands?

21:11 And the servants of Achish said unto him, Is not this David the king of the land? did they not sing one to another of him in dances, saying, Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands?



1 Samuel 6:19 And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.



Some interesting history related to the word "infidel":

The term infidel was used by Christians to describe non-Christians or those perceived as the enemies of Christianity, especially Muslims.

Christians have historically referred to people outside their religious group as infidels,[6] signifying a distinction between somebody who for whatever reason is ignorant of the Christian message and somebody who has actively rejected the promise of salvation in the life and teaching of Jesus. It only became a well established notion in English sometime in the early sixteenth century, when Jews or “Mohammedans,” were described as active opponents to Christianity, and as such infidel was seen as term of contempt.

Judaism has a notion of pagan gentiles who are called acum (an acronym of Ovdei Cohavim u-Mazzaloth or, literally, those who are “star-and-constellation worshippers,”) or idolaters. A Hebrew term, kofer, which is cognate with the Arabic kafir, is however applied only to apostate Jews.[4]

He (the Pope ) also held that he had an obligation to send missionaries to infidel lands, and that if they were prevented from entering or preaching, then the pope was justified in dispatching Christian forces accompanied with missionaries to invade those lands, as Innocent stated simply "If the infidels do not obey, they ought to be compelled by the secular arm and war may be declared upon them by the pope, and nobody else."[19] This was however not a reciprocal right and non-Christian missionaries such as those of Muslims could not be allowed to preach in Europe

A long line of Papal hierocratic canonists, most notably those who adhered to Alanus Anglicus's influential arguments of the Crusading-era, denied Infidel dominium, and asserted Rome's universal jurisdictional authority over the earth, and the right to authorize pagan conquests solely on the basis of non-belief because of their rejection of the Christian god.[20]

While looking for quotes I also found this interesting one from the Bible that seems to talk about blinding people again:

2:31 Behold, the days come, that I will cut off thine arm, and the arm of thy father's house, that there shall not be an old man in thine house.
2:32 And thou shalt see an enemy in my habitation, in all the wealth which God shall give Israel: and there shall not be an old man in thine house for ever.
2:33 And the man of thine, whom I shall not cut off from mine altar, shall be to consume thine eyes, and to grieve thine heart: and all the increase of thine house shall die in the flower of their age.

Also, I'd like to mention that unreasonable seeming things like punishing people's children for the crimes of others is not a policy of God in some religious texts for example, there are no generational curses, and nobody bears the burden of sins they didn't themselves perform, and God is ever forgiving and merciful, quick to forgive and relent with mercy and gifts.

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LOL at the Dr Who stuff!

I need time to think about what you've told me about worship, and Narnia, but it is Sunday, so I have the time :)

By 'talking' I meant writing in here and GLP and Acidpulse.us and my blogs..
I don't even have skype installed yet, I've only recently acquired a new laptop.

Thanks again for all the info Freedom.

You're very welcome!

Feel free to discuss anything you've found interesting mentioned on the first page when you cross over it.

I'm interested in what things people didn't know, what things catch your attention, and what things are memorable for you!



"I agree that Jesus acted according to God's will, and did the right thing. I believe God is manifested everywhere always, in the sense of being there and sustaining all existence. I believe that God has certain qualities, that humans can emulate in some ways. For example, mercy, fair trial, giving freely, patience, and many more excellent qualities. I don't know where Jesus said that he comes in the name of himself to speak to God, with himself in mind to speak to God. Jesus is to be admired and emulated in many ways, but I don't think intercession is actually a good thing that is favored by God, who is with us always. "

this caught my attention.

I think it shows the fundamental difference that does exist between Islam and Christianity, despite all else that they do agree on.
Muslims and Jews both believe the Jesus who came those thousands of years ago was not the Messiah,
But Christians believe He was.
I could give you reasons for this belief, with quotes from the Bible to back me up, but we both know that is a dog chasing its own tail.
When I read what He said and did, this man Jesus in Israel whose coming to the planet we fix our years by..
my heart/mind/soul respond with a Yes.

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Thought I would add some information concerning the Trinity.

1. God

A. God is the only Supreme Being in all existence,
places, and time. He is Holy (Rev. 4:8), Eternal
(Isaiah 57:15), Omnipotent (Jer. 32:17,27), Omnipresent (Psalm 119:7-12), Omniscient (1 John 3:20), etc.
B. He is Love (1 John 4:8,16), Light (1 John 1:5), Spirit (John 4:24), Truth (Psalm 117:2), Creator (Isaiah 40:12,22,26), etc.
C. He is to be worshiped (Gen. 24:26; Exodus 4:31; 2 Chron. 29:28; 1 Cor. 14:25; Rev. 7:11).
D. Christianity is monotheistic - Only one God in existence anywhere, anytime. See Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8; 45:5,14,18,21,22; 46:9; 47:8; John 17:3; 1 Cor. 8:5-6; Gal. 4:8-9 for verses that teach monotheism.
E. One God verses
i. Isaiah 43:10, "You are My witnesses, declares the Lord, And My servant whom I have chosen, in order that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, and there will be none after Me."
ii. Isaiah 44:6, "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me."
iii. Isaiah 44:8, "Do not tremble and do not be afraid; have I not long since announced it to you and declared it? And you are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me, or is there any other Rock? I know of none."
iv. Isaiah 45:5, "I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God."

2. Trinity

A. The Trinity is one God who exists simultaneously in three persons. Each is coequal, copowerful, and coeternal with the other. Each person--Father, Son and Holy Spirit--is not the other. Without either there is no God; all comprise the one God.
B. Analogy of the Trinity: With time, for example, the past is distinct from the present, which is distinct from the future. Each is simultaneous. Yet, they are not three 'times,' but one. That is, they all share the same nature: time
C. Trinitarian Verses
i. Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,"
ii. 1 Cor. 12:4-6, "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons."
iii. 2 Cor. 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."

3. Objections to the Trinity answered

A. The Word Trinity is not in the Bible.
i. Just because the word "trinity" is not in the Bible doesn't mean that the concept is not taught. The word "monotheism" is not in the Bible, yet the Bible teaches it (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8). Therefore, your criticism is invalid.
B. The Trinity is illogical
i. What law of logic is it that the doctrine of the Trinity violates? If you cannot tell me, then your statement is meaningless. Saying it is illogical does not mean it is.
C. The Trinity is pagan
i. Saying it is pagan means nothing. The question is whether or not it is biblical. Are there verses that show that the F., S., & H.S. are each God, each indwell, each have a will, each loves, etc.? Yes there are.
ii. The F., S., & H.S. are each called God (F., Phil. 1:2), (S., John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9), (H.S., Acts 5:3-4). Each has a will (F., Luke 22:42), (S., Luke 22:42), H.S., (1 Cor. 12:11). Each is all knowing (F., 1 John 3:20), (S., John 16:30; 21:17), (H.S., 1 Cor. 2:10-11), etc.
iii. Regarding the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each has a will (F., Luke 22:42), (S., Luke 22:42), H.S., (1 Cor. 12:11). Each speaks (F., Matt. 3:17), (S., Luke 5:20., (HS., Acts 8:29; 13:2).
D. The Trinity came from pagan trinities.
i. There are no trinities in pagan theology. There are triads (three gods), but no trinities (one God in three persons). Therefore, your statement is inaccurate.
E. The Bible does not say that God is three who's and one what
i. That is correct. But the Trinity is a doctrine arrived at systematically (by looking at the whole of scripture), not by looking at a single verse. Therefore, your complaint is misdirected and shows you don't understand the Trinity.
F. Show me one verse in the Bible that says that God is three persons.
i. The Trinity doctrine is arrived at systematically (by looking at the whole of scripture), not by looking at a single verse. Therefore, you won't see a single verse that says it. Also, this demonstrates that you don't understand the Trinity, otherwise you would not have asked that question.
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Post: #475
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Stormgodess  Wrote: (05-29-2011 04:36 AM)
Thought I would add some information concerning the Trinity.

That is perfect! Great job, thank you very much!

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Post: #476
RE: Easy Religion in a Nutshell
FreedomStands  Wrote: (05-29-2011 05:09 AM)
Stormgodess  Wrote: (05-29-2011 04:36 AM)
Thought I would add some information concerning the Trinity.

That is perfect! Great job, thank you very much!

Was glad to be able to add something.

Since the belief of the Trinity is controversial even amongst Christians, I figured adding some information behind the belief might help others.

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Chinese Intellectuals Conclude Christianity The Reason for Success of the West

He said: “One of the things we were asked to look into was what accounted for the success, in fact, the pre-eminence of the West all over the world.

“We studied everything we could from the historical, political, economic, and cultural perspective. At first, we thought it was because you had more powerful guns than we had.

“Then we thought it was because you had the best political system. Next we focused on your economic system.

“But in the past twenty years, we have realised that the heart of your culture is your religion: Christianity. That is why the West is so powerful.

“The Christian moral foundation of social and cultural life was what made possible the emergence of capitalism and then the successful transition to democratic politics. We don’t have any doubt about this.”


Note the source. It isn’t from a religious leader, or some religious think-tank. The Chinese Academy of Social Sciences is an instrument of the Chinese Communist government which spends a not inconsiderable amount of time and money persecuting Christians and is officially atheistic.

http://biblicaltimes.wordpress.com/2011/...-the-west/

I am waiting for the Atheists to attack the Atheists.


"In case after case, the Supreme Court has used the infamous 'Separation of Church and State' metaphor to uphold court decisions that allow the federal government to intrude upon and deprive citizens of their religious liberty."
---Ron Paul

The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders' political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs. Certainly the drafters of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, both replete with references to God, would be aghast at the federal government's hostility to religion. The establishment clause of the First Amendment was simply intended to forbid the creation of an official state church like the Church of England, not to drive religion out of public life.

The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance. Throughout our nation's history, churches have done what no government can ever do, namely teach morality and civility. Moral and civil individuals are largely governed by their own sense of right and wrong, and hence have little need for external government. This is the real reason the collectivist Left hates religion: Churches as institutions compete with the state for the people's allegiance, and many devout people put their faith in God before their faith in the state. Knowing this, the secularists wage an ongoing war against religion, chipping away bit by bit at our nation's Christian heritage.

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The reason that the Trinity can be found in the spiritual philosophy of every culture is that it is universal truth. When you know yourself, you then know the Trinity.

Male, Female and Child energy.

Hence, why Christ told his followers that they have to become like a child to enter the Kingdom of heaven. In other words you have to connect with the child within before it can be healed. When people haven't healed the inner child, they're running sub-conscious tapes from childhood that co-create the present and future.

In the Gospel that was removed from the bible e.g. the Gospel of Thomas, he also says 'When you make the three into two, then the two into one, then what will you do?". In my experience its all part of the ascension process.

Now stormgodess,

Here is an offering for you to ponder upon.

FRIDAY, 27 MAY 2011

EL SHADDAI FEMININE

Now you will often hear people sing El Shaddai as being one of the names of God and we shared this on a past post on other blog from Jeff Benner who wrote the Ancient Hebrew Lexicon.

MIGHTY TEETS - MIGHTY BREASTS


"The Hebrew word for "God Almighty" in Genesis chapter 17 is actually "El Shaddai". When translated literally El Shaddai doesn't mean "God almighty", but rather "mighty teets". While this may sound odd, or even offensive to western readers, it actually has a beautiful meaning within the culture of the ancient Hebrews. The teets were used to supply milk to the children, which was crucial for life. Just as how milk is given from a mother to her children in order to feed them, so too God nourishes his children in a very loving manner, similar to that of a mother caring and nurturing her children.". [6]

Now does the heavenly Father have teets that provide milk? No. El Shaddai is feminine. The heavenly Father brings home the meat to feed the family when the children are ready to eat solids. If the mother hasn't managed to wean the children off the breast and fluids. Then they don't get to receive the meat and bread of manna.

Divine love is the food that feeds the soul. The divine feminine nurtures you to become divine love in manifestation on the earth plane. Then you are ready for the meat provided by the Father. That is the benefit of my divine experience. However, the Son of God can overwhelm you with his divine love for you all, when you allow him to love you divinely, like the best brother in the world.

If you can integrate detachment, and follow where he leads you, he will lead you to the heavenly Father, once you have collected all the pieces of your jigsaw puzzle, healed and become whole. When you have come to completion of truth within, then you are truly ready to be one with the heavenly Father and do his will handsomely.

Freedomstands the earthquake that we mentioned to do with Damascus is in the Qur'an. It mentions the earthquake but it doesn't say where. I came across this tonight.


He wrote:

The Qu'ran also speaks of a great earthquake but unlike Isaiah, the Qu'ran does not warn that this judgement is against Muslim nations'. "O Mankind Fear your Lord. Surely the earthquake of the hour (of doom) is a tremendous thing. On that day when you behold it, every nursing mother will forget her nursing and every pregnant one will be delivered of her burden, and you will see mankind as if it were drunk, yet they will not be drunk, but the doom of Allah will be strong (upon them)" Qur'an 22:1-2 Page 228, God's war on terror by Walid Shoebat

Why are thy delivered of their burden when the crossroads of religion is destroyed?

Its a clear sign that they do not have to pass on Islam or any other religion to their child. If its a boy the child is not circumcised because it is a sign that the true LORD stands against the religions.
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kalamity kool  Wrote: (05-29-2011 04:33 AM)
Muslims and Jews both believe the Jesus who came those thousands of years ago was not the Messiah,
But Christians believe He was.
When I read what He said and did, this man Jesus in Israel whose coming to the planet we fix our years by..
my heart/mind/soul respond with a Yes.

Muslims do believe Jesus was the Messiah. He is called the Messiah throughout the Qur'an. He is the only one called the Messiah. Muslims believe in the virgin birth as well and the miracles performed by Jesus by Allah's leave. They believe that Jesus was a word of God, and was assisted by the Holy Spirit. One account in the Qur'an says the following in brief:

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(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary,held in honour in this world in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

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"He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."

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She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!

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And He will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel.

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And will make him a messenger unto the Children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers.

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And a verifier of that which is before me of the Taurat and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.

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"'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"

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But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him).

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Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed and we follow the messenger, so write us down with those who bear witness.

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And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.

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(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

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Then as to those who disbelieve, I will chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have no helpers.

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And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and Allah does not love the unjust.

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This We recite to you of the communications and the wise reminder.

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The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

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The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.

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This is the true account: There is no god except Allah; and Allah-He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.

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But if they turn back, Allah hath full knowledge of those who do mischief.

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Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).

Alternative Translation (Pickthal): Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him).

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O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

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The Messiah disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).

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Then, as for those who believed and did good works, unto them will He pay their wages in full, adding unto them of His bounty; and as for those who were scornful and proud, them will He punish with a painful doom. And they will not find for them, against Allah, any protecting friend or helper.

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That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

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And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

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But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.

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They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

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They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

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Will they not rather turn unto Allah and seek forgiveness of Him? For Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!

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Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."

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They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. There is no Allah save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!

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They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do anything against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth? Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He createth what He wills. And Allah has power over all things.

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nd the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and His beloved ones. Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults? Nay, you are mortals from among those whom He has created, He forgives whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases; and Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the journeying.

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LOTUS FEET  Wrote: (05-29-2011 05:31 AM)
Lotus

Thanks for your help. I don't think the term El Shaddai is feminine.

The meaning of El Shaddai:

As for El Shaddai, a variety of websites say the following: "The root word "shadad" (שדד) means "to overpower" or "to destroy". This would give Shaddai the meaning of "destroyer", representing one of the aspects of God, and in this context it is essentially an epithet."
- Wikipedia: El Shaddai

"This would give Shaddai the meaning of “destroyer”, representing one of the aspects of God. The Septuagint translates this into Almighty. In most English translations, El Shaddai becomes God Almighty. It is the name Shaddai whom Abraham, Issac, and Jacob follow."
- The Meaning of El Shaddai http://lynnwright00.wordpress.com/2011/0...l-shaddai/

"Some say that this name is derived from the verb (shadad 2331), meaning to destroy, hence: My Destroyer. Others furiously refute this because this meaning would go against the nature of God. Isaiah, however, seems to be in the camp of the first when he writes, "Wail, for the day of YHWH is near. It will come as destruction (shad) from Shaddai (13:6)"

The Destroyer was a common epithet for God from around the world. It is a thrilling title used to refer to God, indicating the immense power that God has, to destroy anything, to vanquish any foe, to even destroy ignorance or injustice. God the true Hero, the Mst Powerful Destroyer. People only resist this identification because they don't want to see God having an attribute like this, but who can destroy besides God alone?

Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

I think that the anthropomorphic identification of a "God with Breasts" is blasphemous. Will people go to such lengths to avoid "The Destroyer" that they will say God has breasts? Certainly, God is "The Destroyer", the only one with the power to destroy whatever, completely, even to make matter into nothing. The Great Destroyer, the Greatest Destroyer, the only One that can Destroy.

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