Post: #481

As far as everyone being God, nothing could be further from the truth.

Christ was very clear about that as well. He told his followers the following:

1. His God was the God of the living not the dead. In other words he is not the God of the spiritually dead that have not risen out of the earthly graves that religion put them in.

2. He discussed the lost key of knowledge with Nicodemus in respect of 'being born again'. Being born for a second time as SPIRIT. It is only once a person as experienced it, do they understand that the second birth is nothing to do with baptism or Church. Again, its part of the ascension process and how people became Sons of God.

That is a huge difference between 'god' and God. Between 'small face' and 'vast face'. Put it this way, human beings are 'small face'.



Lotus

Post: #482

LOTUS FEET  Wrote:

As far as everyone being God, nothing could be further from the truth.
Christ was very clear about that as well. He told his followers the following:
1. His God was the God of the living not the dead. In other words he is not the God of the spiritually dead that have not risen out of the earthly graves that religion put them in.

Wouldn't it be best to say God is the God of all that is living and all that is dead? That God is the God of the living and the dead, the past and the present as well as the future?

Post: #483

LOTUS FEET  Wrote:

Why are thy delivered of their burden when the crossroads of religion is destroyed?

I've shown some of the verses about the end of the world and the ressurection on page one:

Regarding Judgment Day:

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

2 Peter 3:11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives

2 Peter 3:12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

2 Peter 3:13
But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

2 Peter 3:12
So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him.

Matthew 24:43
But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.

Matthew 24:36
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

(It will come all of a sudden, without warning)

Matthew 24:37
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Matthew 24:38
For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;

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and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

Matthew 24:44
So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

Matthew 24:50
The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of.

Mark 13:32 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

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Acts 1:7 He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

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Isaiah 34:4 All the stars of the heavens will be dissolved and the sky rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.

(The entire Universe is going to collapse, just as hit has been expanding. It may already be on its way to collapse, while we look on to the portion which seems to be expanding still.)


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Revelation 3:3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.


(Finally, a new heaven and Earth will be made after the collapse of the universe, it will expand again)
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Revelation 21:1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

Isaiah 65:17 "Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.
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Isaiah 66:22 "As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD, "so will your name and descendants endure.

Yeah, rather than the prolonged thing that people seem to imagine these days, the earlier idea was that it would be a rather fast and sudden thing that extinguishes the whole Earth, then refreshes it. Like a restart button almost. The references to the sudden nature are in the sudden sound of the instrument being blown. The sound is meant to extinguish all life on Earth instantly, flattening mountains, making everything level, nobody can survive or is meant to survive. Then the second blow is to ressurect all the people from all time to stand for judgment.

So one BEEEEE and everyone living at the time dies.

The other BEEEE and everyone wakes up. Those who have been dead for many years will feel like they just went to sleep for a moment.

According to the New Testament and the Qur'an, as well as the Egyptians and anyone else who mentioned the day of judgment and ressurection, nobody knows when it will be. It is always as near as death though, since whoever dies will wake up on that day with the second sound.


kalamity kool  Wrote:

Interesting idea. I dunno, seems so against the natural laws of the universe, its hard to imagine life reduced to a BEEP or two.
I think maybe we can't know until the time comes.

Sorry if you thought I was making it up, its actually from the Bible. According to the Bible and the Qur'an it is an angel blowing the instrument.


1 Corinthians 15:52
in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

Matthew 24:31
And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

As you can see, it will be sudden and instant, like a thief in the night, without warning, without announcing it is coming, just how a thief does not announce that he is coming to rob a house. Then all will perish, the whole Earth will perish, the entire Universe (Heavens) will collapse, and nobody will survive this. Then they will be raised up on a new Earth, with a new Universe, refreshed, but this time we'll be sorted based on our conduct.

It isn't supposed to be a weak beep but a totally overwhelming blast.

You can look into the potential power of sound weaponry to see how an intense sound can disrupt particles and cause destruction. This sound is so intense that it turns mountains into atoms. A sound that vibrates at such a frequency that it horribly disturbs all particles to the point that they can no longer hold together. Everyone dies, and then with perhaps a similarly amazing sound everyone will be reformed by God down to their fingertips, and face judgment.

If you want the physics behind such a thing, perhaps it is due to due to the intense vibration of particles which also produces heat, shaking movement, and makes everything fall apart like shaking something so fast that it becomes like dust.

This also relates back to one of the most common epiteths of God, which is The Destroyer.

In between the collapse and destruction of the Universe and Earth, there may be an extremely long amount of time, but when the ressurection happens, the people won't feel as though there has been any time in between.

I specifically prefer it that way also. The moment could come at any time, but so could death, even before the last day of Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtiSCBXbH...r_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zoTKXXNQ...r_embedded

kalamity kool  Wrote:

FreedomStands  Wrote:

Isn't that cool?

Yes, it is,
a vibration creates, and you are saying also destroys,
it could be..
for now I have the starry sky and a very silent night.

Well the rate at which something vibrates can decide if it bonds or breaks apart. Seeing some of those videos made me wonder and realize that it is true that we're in a constant state of animation or vibration, being suspending much like how that goo was suspended by the sounds. If the tune changes, everything can fall apart in an instant.

In any case, even beyond falling apart, I believe as part of the idea of "omnipotence" it is important to accept the epithet of God: "The Creator" as well as "The Destroyer" the only One capable of creating from nothing, and destroying back into nothing, and creating again and destroying again. An extension of this would be "Life Giver" and "Death Bringer". Regarding the Universe "Expander" and "Contractor". "Animator" "Exterminator" "Earth Shaker" "Peace Maker" "Rewarder" "Punisher"

kalamity koolWrote:

We're all really describing the same knowledge, the same heart-felt presence..

There have been many cultures in the world with their own unique dresses and customs, but some things around the world were generally the same. It is those things that I hope to present in my thread, especially those things found in common in religious texts and belief systems from around the world.

Those things are the belief in the Supreme God with the same attributes, the ritual of purification before worship, the gestures of worship such as bowing and prostrating, and the reverence for God as seen through the kinds of praises and references made both in and outside of worship. There are other similarities as well, but these things I mentioned were central to just about all people around the entire world at almost every period of history.

Thank you so much for your wonderful reply! I really appreciate it! Thank you also for continuing to visit the thread! Your contributions are wonderful!

Post: #484

Thank you though for all your help, I really appreciate all your visits to this thread!

Post: #485

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5iHt6OH9zI

Post: #486

Freedomstands, I have cited a top Hebrew scholar's work, Jeff Benner, who wrote the Ancient Hebrew Lexicon.

As far as Messiah is concerned. The reason that the Jewish people did not accept Jesus as their Messiah, is for the simple fact he did not fulfill the biblical prophecies or the timeline. Many Christians cite many scriptures that they 'think' relates to Jesus but when those scriptures are fully examined, you find that Jesus did not fulfill the criteria that was specified by so many different prophets and mystics.

An example of that is he did not enter Israel twice. He did not stand against the Prince of Persia. He didn't have the right gender or appear in the right timeline. He wasn't known to be a writer, there is no mention that he had a skin disease, he didn't wear the golden gown. He wasn't sent to the USA (babylon). He wasn't found in the Galilee of the Gentiles. The bible was very clear that God would plant HER in the valley of Jezreel. The one known as Christ predicted that the Queen of the South would come and wisdom would be proven right by her actions. He also told them that the sign of Jonah would arrive and that would be the sign to the orthodox.

Unfortunately, Christians have been misled and so have the Muslims. Hence, why the biblical prophecies tell the Muslims to drink and be exposed. It tells the Christians that their covenant with death is annulled.

However, it does not matter that he wasn't the Messiah that they were waiting for because those that truly know him, truly love him. Not for the legends or myths, but for his complete and sheer dedication to the people and helping them in the here and now. He like many other energies do their utmost to help the people. He repeated the prophecy that the old heaven and earth would pass away, but his words will never pass away. He will always have a very special place in the hearts of the ones that have truly walked with him and no book, legend or prophecy can change that. At the end of the day, it is EXPERIENCE of the divine that counts. It is the sacred union with the divine that counts.

It is through experience of the divine that one really comes to know truth. However, first you have to lay down your head (metaphorically) and pick up your heart because you can only KNOW the divine coming from a pure and sincere heart.

As he said 'Christianity was never born, it is still in the womb'. There is greater truth coming about his story when the people are ready to hear it.

Lotus

Post: #487

LOTUS FEET  Wrote:

Freedomstands, I have cited a top Hebrew scholar's work, Jeff Benner, who wrote the Ancient Hebrew Lexicon.

As far as Messiah is concerned. The reason that the Jewish people did not accept Jesus as their Messiah, is for the simple fact he did not fulfill the biblical prophecies or the timeline. Many Christians cite many scriptures that they 'think' relates to Jesus but when those scriptures are fully examined, you find that Jesus did not fulfill the criteria that was specified by so many different prophets and mystics.

An example of that is he did not enter Israel twice. He did not stand against the Prince of Persia. He didn't have the right gender or appear in the right timeline. He wasn't known to be a writer, there is no mention that he had a skin disease, he didn't wear the golden gown. He wasn't sent to the USA (babylon). He wasn't found in the Galilee of the Gentiles. The bible was very clear that God would plant HER in the valley of Jezreel. The one known as Christ predicted that the Queen of the South would come and wisdom would be proven right by her actions. He also told them that the sign of Jonah would arrive and that would be the sign to the orthodox.

Unfortunately, Christians have been misled and so have the Muslims. Hence, why the biblical prophecies tell the Muslims to drink and be exposed. It tells the Christians that their covenant with death is annulled.

However, it does not matter that he wasn't the Messiah that they were waiting for because those that truly know him, truly love him. Not for the legends or myths, but for his complete and sheer dedication to the people and helping them in the here and now. He like many other energies do their utmost to help the people. He repeated the prophecy that the old heaven and earth would pass away, but his words will never pass away. He will always have a very special place in the hearts of the ones that have truly walked with him and no book, legend or prophecy can change that. At the end of the day, it is EXPERIENCE of the divine that counts. It is the sacred union with the divine that counts.

It is through experience of the divine that one really comes to know truth. However, first you have to lay down your head (metaphorically) and pick up your heart because you can only KNOW the divine coming from a pure and sincere heart.

As he said 'Christianity was never born, it is still in the womb'. There is greater truth coming about his story when the people are ready to hear it.

Lotus

I listed multiple sources. It is well known that El Shaddai means Destroyer, and that is why it is translated to almighty in most every Bible. People were disturbed with the term Destroyer, so some hoped to twist the etymology to mean "breasts" but that is just insulting really. The destroyer is a very common epithet of God from around the world. The root word shad means "destroy". I know there are people who try to say it means breasts because they cant tolerate the title "Destroyer". You should embrace the term though, even you claim that there will be upcoming destruction too, and certainly a pair of breasts won't be doing it.

Post: #488

Freedom Stands

are you now --or were you ever--a Muslim or follower of Islam?

Do you worship with Muslims?

Post: #489

FreedomStands  Wrote:

I listed multiple sources. It is well known that El Shaddai means Destroyer, and that is why it is translated to almighty in most every Bible. People were disturbed with the term Destroyer, so some hoped to twist the etymology to mean "breasts" but that is just insulting really. The destroyer is a very common epithet of God from around the world. The root word shad means "destroy". I know there are people who try to say it means breasts because they cant tolerate the title "Destroyer". You should embrace the term though, even you claim that there will be upcoming destruction too, and certainly a pair of breasts won't be doing it.

When you can write a lexicon like Jeff Benner by going back to the roots of Hebrew words. Then I will listen to you. Until that time comes FreedomStands, I have no interest.

Destruction comes when God allows man to feel his own co-creation. God allows man to destroy what man as created.

Only what God as created is allowed to stand. Hence, why God is allowing the winds of change to blow away the tower of babel of religion once more. God allows man to destroy himself with his own hand.

Creation evolves and evolution creates.

Violence vexes the Spirit of God and disempowers the soul.

Post: #490

LOTUS FEET  Wrote:

FreedomStands  Wrote:

I listed multiple sources. It is well known that El Shaddai means Destroyer, and that is why it is translated to almighty in most every Bible. People were disturbed with the term Destroyer, so some hoped to twist the etymology to mean "breasts" but that is just insulting really. The destroyer is a very common epithet of God from around the world. The root word shad means "destroy". I know there are people who try to say it means breasts because they cant tolerate the title "Destroyer". You should embrace the term though, even you claim that there will be upcoming destruction too, and certainly a pair of breasts won't be doing it.

When you can write a lexicon like Jeff Benner by going back to the roots of Hebrew words. Then I will listen to you. Until that time comes FreedomStands, I have no interest.

Destruction comes when God allows man to feel his own co-creation. God allows man to destroy what man as created.

Only what God as created is allowed to stand. Hence, why God is allowing the winds of change to blow away the tower of babel of religion once more. God allows man to destroy himself with his own hand.

Creation evolves and evolution creates.

Violence vexes the Spirit of God and disempowers the soul.

Well just know, Shad means destroy and is the integral part of the word El Shaddai.

Post: #491

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Freedom Stands

are you now --or were you ever--a Muslim or follower of Islam?

Do you worship with Muslims?

I hope to represent a number of religions in this thread. I do not worship with other people or visit any mosque or church. I don't think it is wrong to worship together with people though, it can be really great.

Post: #492

FreedomStands  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Freedom Stands

are you now --or were you ever--a Muslim or follower of Islam?

Do you worship with Muslims?

I hope to represent a number of religions in this thread. I do not worship with other people or visit any mosque or church. I don't think it is wrong to worship together with people though, it can be really great.

why this friendly attitude in this thread and mocking Jews in another one?

Post: #493

LoP Guest  Wrote:

FreedomStands  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Freedom Stands

are you now --or were you ever--a Muslim or follower of Islam?

Do you worship with Muslims?

I hope to represent a number of religions in this thread. I do not worship with other people or visit any mosque or church. I don't think it is wrong to worship together with people though, it can be really great.

why this friendly attitude in this thread and mocking Jews in another one?

how did he mock jews? i thought he was kissing ass?

Post: #494

FreedomStands  Wrote:

kalamity kool  Wrote:

Muslims and Jews both believe the Jesus who came those thousands of years ago was not the Messiah,
But Christians believe He was.
When I read what He said and did, this man Jesus in Israel whose coming to the planet we fix our years by..
my heart/mind/soul respond with a Yes.

Muslims do believe Jesus was the Messiah. He is called the Messiah throughout the Qur'an. He is the only one called the Messiah. Muslims believe in the virgin birth as well and the miracles performed by Jesus by Allah's leave. They believe that Jesus was a word of God, and was assisted by the Holy Spirit. One account in the Qur'an says the following in brief:

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(And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary,held in honour in this world in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).

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"He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."

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She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, 'Be,' and it is!

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And He will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Taurat and the Injeel.

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And will make him a messenger unto the Children of Israel, (saying): Lo! I come unto you with a sign from your Lord. Lo! I fashion for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, and I breathe into it and it is a bird, by Allah's leave. I heal him who was born blind, and the leper, and I raise the dead, by Allah's leave. And I announce unto you what ye eat and what ye store up in your houses. Lo! herein verily is a portent for you, if ye are to be believers.

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And a verifier of that which is before me of the Taurat and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.

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"'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"

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But when Jesus became conscious of their disbelief, he cried: Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah? The disciples said: We will be Allah's helpers. We believe in Allah, and bear thou witness that we have surrendered (unto Him).

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Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed and we follow the messenger, so write us down with those who bear witness.

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And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.

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(And remember) when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee above those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.

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Then as to those who disbelieve, I will chastise them with severe chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall have no helpers.

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And as to those who believe and do good deeds, He will pay them fully their rewards; and Allah does not love the unjust.

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This We recite to you of the communications and the wise reminder.

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The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.

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The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.

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This is the true account: There is no god except Allah; and Allah-He is indeed the Exalted in Power, the Wise.

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But if they turn back, Allah hath full knowledge of those who do mischief.

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Say: "O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah; that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than Allah." If then they turn back, say ye: "Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will).

Alternative Translation (Pickthal): Say: O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you: that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto Him).

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O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

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The Messiah disdaineth not to serve and worship Allah, nor do the angels, those nearest (to Allah): those who disdain His worship and are arrogant,-He will gather them all together unto Himself to (answer).

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Then, as for those who believed and did good works, unto them will He pay their wages in full, adding unto them of His bounty; and as for those who were scornful and proud, them will He punish with a painful doom. And they will not find for them, against Allah, any protecting friend or helper.

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That they rejected Faith; that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge;

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And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they slew him not for certain.

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But Allah took him up unto Himself. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.

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They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

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They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

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Will they not rather turn unto Allah and seek forgiveness of Him? For Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. See how We make the revelations clear for them, and see how they are turned away!

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Say: "Will ye worship, besides Allah, something which hath no power either to harm or benefit you? But Allah,- He it is that heareth and knoweth all things."

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They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. There is no Allah save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!

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They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say: Who then can do anything against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth? Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He createth what He wills. And Allah has power over all things.

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nd the Jews and the Christians say: We are the sons of Allah and His beloved ones. Say: Why does He then chastise you for your faults? Nay, you are mortals from among those whom He has created, He forgives whom He pleases and chastises whom He pleases; and Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is between them, and to Him is the journeying.

So the fundamental difference between Jews, Christians and Muslims is as follows:

Many Jews don't believe that Jesus is the Messiah, was born of a virgin (Mary), that Jesus was a Prophet, that Jesus was supported by the Holy Spirit, that Jesus performed miracles.

To simplify:

Jews: Revelation concludes with the Torah
Muslims: Revelations concludes with the Qur'an and includes Jesus as the Messiah, born of a virgin, a Prophet, supported by the Holy Spirit, performed miracles.
Christians: Revelation concludes with the New Testament, Jesus was God, the only begotten Son of God.

The only difference between Christianity and Islam is:

Many Christians hold that Jesus was God, the incarnation of God, the only begotten Son of God, that Jesus was tortured and crucified, and that Jesus's death somehow forgave the sins of mankind.

Muslims hold that a man isn't God, nor does God have any incarnations (but everything belongs to God), and that God has no "begotten" children or children in any literal sense, but is the creator of all. Muslims also do not believe God is divided into three parts, or is one of three parts, but that God is One. The Qur'an says Jesus was saved from torture and crucifiction by the Merciful God, and that what people witnessed was a miraculous illusion or misperception if anything. Nobody can bear the burden of anothers sins, nor does sacrificing an innocent forgive any sins, but God alone can forgive in an instant.

Christianity and Islam agree on every point pretty much otherwise.

Judaism and Islam are in total agreement other than that the Muslim accepts Jesus as the Messiah.

So again:

Islam believes that Jesus is the Messiah, the son of the virgin Mary, a word from God, supported by the Holy Spirit, brought the message of God, and performed miracles in the name of God, was saved by God who has no literal children or incarnations (everything belongs to God and is made by God, everything is filled with God, existing by God). Jesus was in accord with the will of God.

Christianity believes that Jesus was God, the only begotten son of God, a part of the trinity, that he was tortured and crucified without God preventing or saving him, that his torture and death forgave the sins of mankind somehow and he bears the burden of criminals and unjust people even though he was innocent.

Post: #495

LoP Guest  Wrote:

FreedomStands  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Freedom Stands

are you now --or were you ever--a Muslim or follower of Islam?

Do you worship with Muslims?

I hope to represent a number of religions in this thread. I do not worship with other people or visit any mosque or church. I don't think it is wrong to worship together with people though, it can be really great.

why this friendly attitude in this thread and mocking Jews in another one?

I responded to your comment in the other thread. I don't understand why you picked on me of all people in that thread. That thread is extremely hostile to Jewish people, and I was not. I don't understand how you couldn't see that and might have ignored the blatant hate for Jewish people in that thread, choosing me instead to make accusations about? Well I responded there anyway. Thanks for your concern.