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Well Freedom, I can honestly say I've never come across anyone on the internet who is so passionate about the One God.
Your post was very informative, thankyou.
I didn't realize the belief was so much a part of all the religions and pagan worship too, and your explanation of how idol worship creeps in makes sense.

Do you belong to any religion?
I'm a Catholic, though universal in a very broad way, and I don't go to church,
though lately it is kinda beckoning me...

Post: #347

FreedomStands  Wrote:

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The limitations of the body forms in this world limit it. If one likens people on this planet to batteries then they continually are drained to a degree (some much more than others, some much less. There are many factors.) They are also recharged at a certain rate (there are many factors to this.)
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What drains and what recharges. Why doesn't worship recharge rather than drain? How do you know death is not permanent? If God is omniscient, meaning all knowing, why would God require to "know itself"? If there is no linear time on an ultimate level, again why would God need to discover anything?

Thank you so much for visiting again! I really appreciate that you took the time to answer Lysa as well, that was really very nice of you!

Worship saps one's power because worship *misplaces* one's power - from the place it is intended to be, to a place it is not intended to be (for the Natural functioning of one's Be-ing.)
Oh, there is time at the 'highest' levels of be-ing, it is simply different to-, and it wraps, time as it is known "here"; it is therefore not quite as linear. If you think of how you, as something external to it-, have an extra dimension to the "flat" drawing on a piece of paper, the principle is somewhat similar. "God" is in the 'completely' linear time in this world too.

Post: #348

Pi  Wrote:

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FreedomStands  Wrote:

I'm really interested in this as well

Hi, I am back again.

Some fundamental questions, these, of course; yet ones which could fill books.

1) "Death" is an illusion. It is a mere transition from one state of being, of consciousness, to another, a 'change of scenery' (mostly,) as it it is not always all that dissimilar to what is experienced "here". More often that not it is also a change in a way of living. Everyone has multiple incarnations (although they needn't be linear in time as it is know from this perspective; hence the term "reincarnation" is something of a misnomer, yet still applicable.)
2) The greater purpose of all Life is, simply, to Be. (There are many, many detours, however. This planet is just one example of that.) Be-ing as the expression that the life that is be-ing experienced is and living it's potentials, it's possibilities and probabilities to the degree they are made real. Life need not be about "do-ing", as is the 'habit' of be-ings in the reality around this place. Why? For "what purpose?", "what is the point?", you may ask? It is for 'God' to Know Itself and Know Itself better.

So are you a follower of Sri Swami Sivananda?

Because you have quoted this here (without credit)

I follow no-one and these are 100% my words. I have no idea who Sri Swami Sivananda is. Perhaps I'll look him up sometime if he's saying things that I am. (I do also recognise something in his name which leads me to conclude a family relationship. That's not uncommon and would make sense as to similar knowledge.)

Post: #349

kalamity kool  Wrote:

Well Freedom, I can honestly say I've never come across anyone on the internet who is so passionate about the One God.
Your post was very informative, thankyou.
I didn't realize the belief was so much a part of all the religions and pagan worship too, and your explanation of how idol worship creeps in makes sense.

Do you belong to any religion?
I'm a Catholic, though universal in a very broad way, and I don't go to church,
though lately it is kinda beckoning me...

I went to Catholic school as a kid, and sat through many a mass, but didn't participate in the communion with the wine drinking and the bread eating. I didn't participate in religious class, but sat through it. The Convent of Visitation was the name of the school.

I do belong to a religion, and it is the same religion as the one I present on page 1 in the initial article. I also believe the things I say here, and I take the various religions mentioned here very seriously.

This thread was designed to try to encourage people to worship the One God, in the ancient fashion, while understanding and believing the concept of the Ultimateness of God.

It was something similar to the communion, and some ideas presented by Christianity that motivated me to write this thread, in order to try to move people away from certain concepts which do not fit into the ancient teachings. That is why there is some emphasis on those points in the initial article, and at times throughout the thread.

The main objective of the thread was to present an advanced yet simple, all encompassing concept of God that both covers and represents the monotheism that existed throughout the world, in various languages and cultures. Then, to show that there is one method of worship that was used throughout the world, with the same process and gestures worldwide, without any cultural or linguistic relationship. That in itself is interesting enough to take note of. That around the whole world, there was the same concept of God, the Supreme God with the same qualities, presenting the same teachings and stories, worshipped in the same way.

If one believes in the God presented in this thread, and worships the God in the way prescribed in this thread, they will be following the One religion of the world, followed by generations upon generations, even followed by a huge population today, in the same way as in ancient times.

This is the religion, and with it comes a great feel of both peace and empowerment, humbleness, dignity, grace, and safety.

So I highly reccomend it!

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I follow no-one and these are 100% my words. I have no idea who Sri Swami Sivananda is. Perhaps I'll look him up sometime if he's saying things that I am. (I do also recognise something in his name which leads me to conclude a family relationship. That's not uncommon and would make sense as to similar knowledge.)

Family relationship? Can you explain more about that?

Post: #351

FreedomStands  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

I follow no-one and these are 100% my words. I have no idea who Sri Swami Sivananda is. Perhaps I'll look him up sometime if he's saying things that I am. (I do also recognise something in his name which leads me to conclude a family relationship. That's not uncommon and would make sense as to similar knowledge.)

Family relationship? Can you explain more about that?

Yes, we are all part of-, for lack of better words and for the sake of simplicity, soul families.

Post: #352

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Worship saps one's power because worship *misplaces* one's power - from the place it is intended to be, to a place it is not intended to be (for the Natural functioning of one's Be-ing.)
Oh, there is time at the 'highest' levels of be-ing, it is simply different to-, and it wraps, time as it is known "here"; it is therefore not quite as linear. If you think of how you, as something external to it-, have an extra dimension to the "flat" drawing on a piece of paper, the principle is somewhat similar. "God" is in the 'completely' linear time in this world too.
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If I am God, or if I am equal to God, or even if I have some power, or any power...Why can't I decide how the system is, or change the system to my preference? Why can't I, as a being of great power, say or make it that "worshipping energizes you with power" or "worship does not misplace your power, but aligns it correctly" or "worship has nothing to do with your infinite power, it does not misplace it, nor can you gain any power, since your power is already infinite". What power do I have, if I can't even make things the way I want?

Post: #353

FreedomStands  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Worship saps one's power because worship *misplaces* one's power - from the place it is intended to be, to a place it is not intended to be (for the Natural functioning of one's Be-ing.)
Oh, there is time at the 'highest' levels of be-ing, it is simply different to-, and it wraps, time as it is known "here"; it is therefore not quite as linear. If you think of how you, as something external to it-, have an extra dimension to the "flat" drawing on a piece of paper, the principle is somewhat similar. "God" is in the 'completely' linear time in this world too.
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If I am God, or if I am equal to God, or even if I have some power, or any power...Why can't I decide how the system is, or change the system to my preference? Why can't I, as a being of great power, say or make it that "worshipping energizes you with power" or "worship does not misplace your power, but aligns it correctly" or "worship has nothing to do with your infinite power, it does not misplace it, nor can you gain any power, since your power is already infinite". What power do I have, if I can't even make things the way I want?

You could- excepting that you would not be aligning with the Way of God. It is your free will to do so, excepting that it be only temporary, never everlasting.

You have far more power than you have yet seen. Begin to use it and you will understand it.

Post: #354

FreedomStands  Wrote:

kalamity kool  Wrote:

Well Freedom, I can honestly say I've never come across anyone on the internet who is so passionate about the One God.
Your post was very informative, thankyou.
I didn't realize the belief was so much a part of all the religions and pagan worship too, and your explanation of how idol worship creeps in makes sense.

Do you belong to any religion?
I'm a Catholic, though universal in a very broad way, and I don't go to church,
though lately it is kinda beckoning me...

I went to Catholic school as a kid, and sat through many a mass, but didn't participate in the communion with the wine drinking and the bread eating. I didn't participate in religious class, but sat through it. The Convent of Visitation was the name of the school.

I do belong to a religion, and it is the same religion as the one I present on page 1 in the initial article. I also believe the things I say here, and I take the various religions mentioned here very seriously.

This thread was designed to try to encourage people to worship the One God, in the ancient fashion, while understanding and believing the concept of the Ultimateness of God.

It was something similar to the communion, and some ideas presented by Christianity that motivated me to write this thread, in order to try to move people away from certain concepts which do not fit into the ancient teachings. That is why there is some emphasis on those points in the initial article, and at times throughout the thread.

The main objective of the thread was to present an advanced yet simple, all encompassing concept of God that both covers and represents the monotheism that existed throughout the world, in various languages and cultures. Then, to show that there is one method of worship that was used throughout the world, with the same process and gestures worldwide, without any cultural or linguistic relationship. That in itself is interesting enough to take note of. That around the whole world, there was the same concept of God, the Supreme God with the same qualities, presenting the same teachings and stories, worshipped in the same way.

If one believes in the God presented in this thread, and worships the God in the way prescribed in this thread, they will be following the One religion of the world, followed by generations upon generations, even followed by a huge population today, in the same way as in ancient times.

This is the religion, and with it comes a great feel of both peace and empowerment, humbleness, dignity, grace, and safety.

So I highly reccomend it!

I'm sorry, I can't read the entire thread, and from the initial post I'm confused whether you are Hindu or Jewish?

One religion?
I'm not so sure, there are many at present, and I believe they may become one when God decides it is time, but for now I think it is all God's plan to have so much variety.

Post: #355

LoP Guest  Wrote:

FreedomStands  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Worship saps one's power because worship *misplaces* one's power - from the place it is intended to be, to a place it is not intended to be (for the Natural functioning of one's Be-ing.)
Oh, there is time at the 'highest' levels of be-ing, it is simply different to-, and it wraps, time as it is known "here"; it is therefore not quite as linear. If you think of how you, as something external to it-, have an extra dimension to the "flat" drawing on a piece of paper, the principle is somewhat similar. "God" is in the 'completely' linear time in this world too.
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If I am God, or if I am equal to God, or even if I have some power, or any power...Why can't I decide how the system is, or change the system to my preference? Why can't I, as a being of great power, say or make it that "worshipping energizes you with power" or "worship does not misplace your power, but aligns it correctly" or "worship has nothing to do with your infinite power, it does not misplace it, nor can you gain any power, since your power is already infinite". What power do I have, if I can't even make things the way I want?

You could- excepting that you would not be aligning with the Way of God. It is your free will to do so, excepting that it be only temporary, never everlasting.

You have far more power than you have yet seen. Begin to use it and you will understand it.

Does God have power over me? If I am a God, is God greater than me? Why is my will temporary and never everlasting? Can't I use my power to live forever, and do as I wish?

The definition of God was generally what has power, and the qualities of "The God" were usually omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. Omnipotence means having all the power to do whatever. Omnipresence means being absolutely everywhere always. Omniscence means having all the knowledge of everything. So if I am equal to God, I would have those powers and abilities If I had those powers and abilities, nothing would be able to stop me. I would have all the power to make up my own rules, I would be able to execute them everywhere, and I would know how to do it, and the results of it. If we are Gods, then what system of rules can stop us? We would make our own rules, and we would be unstoppable.

What is the Way of God, and is there any reason we should follow it if we ourselves are equally powerful to God, having the same powers and abilities?

Post: #356

kalamity kool  Wrote:

I'm sorry, I can't read the entire thread, and from the initial post I'm confused whether you are Hindu or Jewish?

One religion?
I'm not so sure, there are many at present, and I believe they may become one when God decides it is time, but for now I think it is all God's plan to have so much variety.

One religion is a reference to the system of worshipping the One God. Religions aren't as diverse as they may seem, and the diversity or disputes seem to come from a lack of knowledge on the part of participants rather than any major contradictions in the messages of the scriptures.

Though I believe in the monotheism presented by the Vedas, and the monotheism presented in the Torah, I'd probably not be considered a Hindu or a Jew. Hindus and Jews worshipped the same way in ancient times, and both were (and still are) generally monotheistic. Hinduism covers a multitude of religions that are each monotheistic. Some prefer calling God Vishnu, others Shiva, and others Brahman.

The idea of the "One Religion" is that God sent the message of monotheism around the world. This is evident through the shared beliefs and methods of worship throughout the world without having any linguistic or cultural connections with each other.

So I believe there is essentially One religion, that religion is Submission to the One God, it was given to people around the world throughout human history, and there are many still practicing it.

I've moved most information to page 1, so you wouldn't need to read the whole thread to get the information provided throughout the thread, but even just page 1 over time.

In the initial article, I use quotes from the Torah, the New Testament, The Vedas, and the Qur'an. Later, I provide attributes of God from Islam, from Zoroastrianism, Shaivism, and Vishnaivism.

I make references to a large number of religions, often mentioning the worship of Shangdi, and the worship of Amun in Ancient Egypt.

I also mention the Hypsistarians who worshipped the One God as the Hypsistos.

The One Religion spans all these various religions and languages, because the One Religion is Submission to the One God, which is what all these religions were about.

There is One modern religion that I like to prefer promoting over the others, since it is considered some of the most clear and strict monotheism in the world, has a very clear book, and the form of worship is the same as the ancients.

Post: #357

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ZxldeB4...r_embedded

Post: #358

Ahaa, I think maybe Islam is closest!

(I will read the first few pages, don't worry)

I end my practise with the kneeling posture Muslims use, and in my submission to God, I am a Muslim.

Allah Akbar!
Truly.

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kalamity kool  Wrote:

Ahaa, I think maybe Islam is closest!

(I will read the first few pages, don't worry)

I end my practise with the kneeling posture Muslims use, and in my submission to God, I am a Muslim.

Allah Akbar!
Truly.

Yay! Yeah, I think you'll enjoy the information on the first page. I edited all my posts on the first page to jam pack them with the information from the rest of the thread and even from another thread that I posted in earlier.

Allahu Akbar! God is Great, God is the Greatest!

Certainly, all those who submit to God are muslims, because that is the definition of the word:

Islam means submission, but has the root slm meaning peace. The complete meaning could be "Finding Peace/Security through Submission to the One God". A muslim would be "One who finds Peace/Security through Submission to the One God".

The term is very old, and the concept within the root word slm was an important part of the language and culture of most those speaking "semitic" languages. The greeting of the Akkadians for example was the same as the Arameans, or even the same as the greeting of Jesus as depicted in the New Testament: "Peace be with you".

In the New Testament, Jesus is depicted worshipping in the traditional fashion that some Jews and all Muslims still use today, prostration. This was not exclusive to the region, but existed as the primary gesture representing total devotion and submission throughout the entire world, from Africa to Asia, Europe to the Americas. I think that it is beyond chance that this way of worship and the concepts that come with it, were so thoroughly spread across the world without any contact between the various cultures at great distances. I believe the One God provided the same messages to all people, and that they were all guided to perform religion the same way.

I showed verses in Aramaic, the language supposed to have been spoken by Jesus, to show that the term Allah is used in Aramaic as well, which is extremely similar to Arabic, which is the language used by the Qur'an. Allah is one of the oldest known words for The God, and was used throughout all the regions where similar languages were spoken. It is transliterated differently these days, possibly due to shyness on the part of translators, so they say "Eloah" for the Hebrew version, or "Ellah" for the Aramaic at times, while all are pronounced the same and spelled with the same letters and root. It is pronounced "Ullah" or "Ullaw" like the word hull and law.

The gestures of worship were the same throughout the world, they consisted of standing, standing with arms fastened (there are sumerian statues depicting this as well, and Chinese depictions also), bowing low, kneeling, and prostrating with hands and forehead on the ground. In the process of doing these postures, praise of the One God were made. Before approaching worship, the purification rituals were the same around the world as well, consisting generally of washing the head, arms up to elbows, and feet up to ankles. This was done in Ancient Egypt, India, China, Japan, and throughout the world, even Greece and Rome. If one was otherwise unclean, they would completely bathe their bodies.

The worship was performed throughout the day, to cleanliness throughout the day was also important. That is why baths were so important in cultures like the Indus Valley culture, Rome, and in Egyptian homes, as well as in China. The Emperor of China even worshipped Shangdi, the word meaning Above Sovereign, Ultimate God.

Post: #360

FreedomStands  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

FreedomStands  Wrote:

If I am God, or if I am equal to God, or even if I have some power, or any power...Why can't I decide how the system is, or change the system to my preference? Why can't I, as a being of great power, say or make it that "worshipping energizes you with power" or "worship does not misplace your power, but aligns it correctly" or "worship has nothing to do with your infinite power, it does not misplace it, nor can you gain any power, since your power is already infinite". What power do I have, if I can't even make things the way I want?

You could- excepting that you would not be aligning with the Way of God. It is your free will to do so, excepting that it be only temporary, never everlasting.

You have far more power than you have yet seen. Begin to use it and you will understand it.

Does God have power over me? If I am a God, is God greater than me? Why is my will temporary and never everlasting? Can't I use my power to live forever, and do as I wish?

The definition of God was generally what has power, and the qualities of "The God" were usually omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience. Omnipotence means having all the power to do whatever. Omnipresence means being absolutely everywhere always. Omniscence means having all the knowledge of everything. So if I am equal to God, I would have those powers and abilities If I had those powers and abilities, nothing would be able to stop me. I would have all the power to make up my own rules, I would be able to execute them everywhere, and I would know how to do it, and the results of it. If we are Gods, then what system of rules can stop us? We would make our own rules, and we would be unstoppable.

What is the Way of God, and is there any reason we should follow it if we ourselves are equally powerful to God, having the same powers and abilities?

Very good questions. I will address them for you. (Also, earlier, in my haste, I overlooked responding on the omniscience aspect.)

(Oh, and I must say your investigations into the religions of the world and the knowledge attained from it, can only be of benefit. Nice work.)

"Does God have power over me?"
'God' does not assert any power over you, excepting to the extent that God is- and lives as- and through you. From the macrocosmic perspective, 'God' simply allows you to be all you that you can be; never interfering with what you are and choose to do.

"If I am a God, is God greater than me?"
No

"Why is my will temporary and never everlasting?"
It is not limited as such, however the choices you make will result in outcomes that either are or are not - depending on whether they align with the Way of God or not.

"Can't I use my power to live forever, and do as I wish?"
You already do live forever. You already do as you wish.

Omniscience: 'God' is both omniscient and not. 'God' is omniscient in the sense that It's unrestricted foresight is far greater than that of the human condition, to the extent that it may appear veritably omniscient; yet it is not "absolute". When one gets to know oneself one does not know all about oneself until one arrives there, yet one may also indeed have a very good idea of the numerous possibilities, yet still need to actually observe which one is chosen.

That 'God' is omnipresent is indeed absolute. It cannot be any other way.

Omnipotence: Yes, except that there is a very specific Principle involved: To have (power) and not to use it (in violation of other Principles.) It is not used when the firm Principle of non-interference is applicable (as it is in this reality.)

"So if I am equal to God, I would have those powers and abilities If I had those powers and abilities, nothing would be able to stop me. I would have all the power to make up my own rules, I would be able to execute them everywhere"
You may be equal to 'God', but if you also had (immediate) access to your full power, you would also have, along with it, the accompanying conscious Responsibility and understanding of the use of power and thus would not even begin to think in such a manner. Others have, however, attempted it when realising some power. At best it then will last only temporarily (even a couple of million years is temporary.)

"If we are Gods, then what system of rules can stop us? We would make our own rules, and we would be unstoppable."
It is not about "rules". The True 'God' does not apply "rules" to anyone. You are free to make rules if you so choose. It is, however, not the Way of God. You are free to do what you wish with or without your power; consequences shall, however, temper your expression of your free will depending on what degree or not you align with the Way of God.

"What is the Way of God, and is there any reason we should follow it if we ourselves are equally powerful to God, having the same powers and abilities?"
There is no reason you "should" do anything except what you deem to be right for you. The Way of God includes: Allowance for the free expression of all be-ings. Love, Respect and Compassion for every-thing; and, very importantly, the non-interference of one be-ing in the choices and free expression of another. So I will say to you, within this context: Choose as you wish as long as you do no harm through making those choices; and as long as you do not seek to make choices for any other be-ing.