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**FreedomStands**

LoP Guest Wrote:

There is no reason you "should" do anything except what you deem to be right for you. The Way of God includes: Allowance for the free expression of all be-ings. Love, Respect and Compassion for every-thing; and, very importantly, the non-interference of one be-ing in the choices and free expression of another. So I will say to you, within this context: Choose as you wish as long as you do no harm through making those choices; and as long as you do not seek to make choices for any other be-ing.

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer each question so thoroughly and neatly! I truly appreciate all your efforts here.

What if one chooses to harm unceasingly other beings, to make choices for them, to interfere both forcefully and through suggestion, restricting free expression, and doing so for as long as possible? Can such a being exist? Can such a being be stopped?

Thank you so much for taking a look at some of the information I provided regarding world religions and the beliefs from a variety of cultures, I'm so glad you enjoyed it!

One might say the meaning of life is anything we make of it, but might you agree that the best course of action would be to do what feels beneficial to us? In this case, how does compassion or the "Way of God" benefit us?

What created the "system" we exist within. I know one might be quick to say that we don't exist in any system, but we choose the system we exist within. My question is, what created the ultimate system, that things should be as you say they are, that we have unlimited power, etc. What created and maintains this system?

This question was triggered by statements about cause and effect, the results of actions. What created the system of actions, causes, and effects?

**FreedomStands**

I look forward to your answers when you get a chance! You've done an absolutely wonderful job answering my questions so far, and I'd like to sincerely thank you for all your help!

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 34212 05-26-2011 03:58 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
There is no reason you "should" do anything except what you deem to be right for you. The Way of God includes: Allowance for the free expression of all be-ings. Love, Respect and Compassion for every-thing; and, very importantly, the non-interference of one be-ing in the choices and free expression of another. So I will say to you, within this context: Choose as you wish as long as you do no harm through making those choices; and as long as you do not seek to make choices for any other be-ing.

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer each question so thoroughly and neatly! I truly appreciate all your efforts here.

What if one chooses to harm unceasingly other beings, to make choices for them, to interfere both forcefully and through suggestion, restricting free expression, and doing so for as long as possible? Can such a being exist? Can such a being be stopped?

Thank you so much for taking a look at some of the information I provided regarding world religions and the beliefs from a variety of cultures, I'm so glad you enjoyed it!

One might say the meaning of life is anything we make of it, but might you agree that the best course of action would be to do what feels beneficial to us? In this case, how does compassion or the "Way of God" benefit us?

What created the "system" we exist within. I know one might be quick to say that we don't exist in any system, but we choose the system we exist within. My question is, what created the ultimate system, that things should be as you say they are, that we have unlimited power, etc. What created and maintains this system?

This question was triggered by statements about cause and effect, the results of actions. What created the system of actions, causes, and effects?

You are welcome. It's a pleasure to be here.

"What if one chooses to harm unceasingly other beings, to make choices for them, to interfere both forcefully and through suggestion, restricting free expression, and doing so for as long as possible? Can such a being exist? Can such a being be stopped?"
Such be-ings do exist. The difference is: that they do not last forever.
You ask, "can they be stopped?" They stop themselves. You have heard the term "Karma" and, well, there is indeed such a thing as Karma - it's not the ultimate "arbiter" (because there are not any arbiters, excepting those who {falsely} appoint themselves; as there are, validly, only mechanisms set up to act as "arbiters".) Now, Karma is largely misunderstood (and largely not recognised by people in this world;) however, the gist of what it implies is correct.

"but might you agree that the best course of action would be to do what feels beneficial to us?"
I would say that the best course of action, if to align with the 'Way of God', is to do what is beneficial for not only oneself, but, through those chosen actions, also what is best for all those with whom one comes into contact with and all those one's actions might also affect.

"In this case, how does compassion or the "Way of God" benefit us?"
Actually it benefits our actions, and hence can be said to "benefit us". When I say it benefits our actions, what is meant is that it provides the greatest amount of harmony, and what is more, everlasting results of our actions, and thus the same harmony, everlasting.

"What created the "system" we exist within. I know one might be quick to say that we don't exist in any system, but we choose the system we exist within. My question is, what created the ultimate system, that things should be as you say they are, that we have unlimited power, etc. What created and maintains this system?"
In short, The Isness, The Source, aka "God" created the system. Indeed it is a system. The system is designed to maintain itself.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 34212 05-26-2011 04:02 PM

FreedomStands Wrote:

I look forward to your answers when you get a chance! You've done an absolutely wonderful job answering my questions so far, and I'd like to sincerely thank you for all your help!

Absolutely a pleasure, dear fellow. I am honoured to share the company of those for whom sincerity is an attribute.

**LOTUS FEET** lop guest User ID: 33244 05-26-2011 04:30 PM

1. Those that know God, know that God does not ask for worship.

2. OP, you wrote "The One called El Shaddai by the Hebrew people, The Great Destroyer."

No El Shaddai does not mean 'The Great Destroyer'.

It means 'MIGHTY BREASTS'.

I must admit OP you are working hard to convert people to Islam.

However, know this that God is far beyond religion. For those that wish to see his face they have to ascend beyond the confines and the boxes that religion puts you in.

When you have seen and experienced the god's you know the difference between them.

As Christ said 'Religion buries men in boxes'.

We are immortal.

**LOTUS FEET** lop guest User ID: 33244 05-26-2011 04:36 PM

kalamity kool Wrote:

Ahaa, I think maybe Islam is closest!

(I will read the first few pages, don't worry)

I end my practise with the kneeling posture Muslims use, and in my submission to God, I am a Muslim.

Allah Akbar!
Truly.

LOL kalamity kool did you let that man get to you? I remember us discussing your first meeting. You do know that is called 'Social Jihad' don't you?

**FreedomStands** · (This post was last modified: 05-27-2011 11:40 PM by FreedomStands.)

LOTUS FEET Wrote:

1. Those that know God, know that God does not ask for worship.

2. OP, you wrote "The One called El Shaddai by the Hebrew people, The Great Destroyer."

No El Shaddai does not mean 'The Great Destroyer'.

It means 'MIGHTY BREASTS'.

I must admit OP you are working hard to convert people to Islam.

However, know this that God is far beyond religion. For those that wish to see his face they have to ascend beyond the confines and the boxes that religion puts you in.

When you have seen and experienced the god's you know the difference between them.

As Christ said 'Religion buries men in boxes'.

We are immortal.

How does one "know God"? I agree that God requires nothing, but how does God indicate that worship is not beneficial to us?

As for El Shaddai, a variety of websites say the following: "The root word "shadad" (שדד) means "to overpower" or "to destroy". This would give Shaddai the meaning of "destroyer", representing one of the aspects of God, and in this context it is essentially an epithet."
- Wikipedia: El Shaddai

"This would give Shaddai the meaning of “destroyer”, representing one of the aspects of God. The Septuagint translates this into Almighty. In most English translations, El Shaddai becomes God Almighty. It is the name Shaddai whom Abraham, Issac, and Jacob follow."
- The Meaning of El Shaddai http://lynnwright00.wordpress.com/2011/0...l-shaddai/

"Some say that this name is derived from the verb (shadad 2331), meaning to destroy, hence: My Destroyer. Others furiously refute this because this meaning would go against the nature of God. Isaiah, however, seems to be in the camp of the first when he writes, "Wail, for the day of YHWH is near. It will come as destruction (shad) from Shaddai (13:6)"

The Destroyer was a common epithet for God from around the world. It is a thrilling title used to refer to God, indicating the immense power that God has, to destroy anything, to vanquish any foe, to even destroy ignorance or injustice. God the true Hero, the Mst Powerful Destroyer. People only resist this identification because they don't want to see God having an attribute like this, but who can destroy besides God alone?

Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things."

I think that the anthropomorphic identification of a "God with Breasts" is blasphemous. Will people go to such lengths to avoid "The Destroyer" that they will say God has breasts? Certainly, God is "The Destroyer", the only one with the power to destroy whatever, completely, even to make matter into nothing. The Great Destroyer, the Greatest Destroyer, the only One that can Destroy.

**FreedomStands** · (This post was last modified: 05-27-2011 01:27 AM by FreedomStands.)

LoP Guest Wrote:

"What created the "system" we exist within. I know one might be quick to say that we don't exist in any system, but we choose the system we exist within. My question is, what created the ultimate system, that things should be as you say they are, that we have unlimited power, etc. What created and maintains this system?"
In short, The Isness, The Source, aka "God" created the system. Indeed it is a system. The system is designed to maintain itself.

Thank you so much for those excellent answers!

So God created this system, but then what? It seems it does not really mean much if we believe or not, we just do as we will, we die and we return.

In traditional religion the objective was to attain further security, a state of eternal peace and paradise as a home. It was God who people depended on to provide this home, to ressurect their bodies after death and allow them to live in a rejuvinated Earth. This is not an exclusive belief in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, but also existed in Ancient Egyptian religion and elsewhere.

One might suggest "don't worry" and further say "you'll achieve that no matter what you do, if you believe or not". The question is how we know, and how we can trust that we will achieve that without worshipping God as the ancients did, without giving charity and doing good.

Should we spend our life not doing anything so that we are caught off guard if what you say is not true, and what the ancients said was?

If what you say is true, we can not be harmed one way or another. If what you say is not true, then we may be able to be harmed, and thus should at least attempt to put forth some defense. If we discover that what you say is true, the work we've done in worship and good deeds will just be to our credit in our memories. If we discover that what the ancients said was true of the Judgment, then the work we've done may benefit us. It becomes a win win.

In the other case, if we just do nothing, and believe that we're already Gods that can't be harmed, we are completely without defense in case we are wrong. If you are right, it didn't matter what we did. If you are wrong, our not doing anything may work against us. It becomes a win or lose situation, a dangerous gamble.

**FreedomStands**

LoP Guest Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
I look forward to your answers when you get a chance! You've done an absolutely wonderful job answering my questions so far, and I'd like to sincerely thank you for all your help!

Absolutely a pleasure, dear fellow. I am honoured to share the company of those for whom sincerity is an attribute.

Thank you! I really enjoy reading all your messages! Your contributions to this thread are wonderful! I'm so glad you decided to communicate here.

**kalamity kool**

FreedomStands Wrote:

kalamity kool Wrote:
Ahaa, I think maybe Islam is closest!

(I will read the first few pages, don't worry)

I end my practise with the kneeling posture Muslims use, and in my submission to God, I am a Muslim.

Allah Akbar!
Truly.

Yay! Yeah, I think you'll enjoy the information on the first page. I edited all my posts on the first page to jam pack them with the information from the rest of the thread and even from another thread that I posted in earlier.

Allahu Akbar! God is Great, God is the Greatest!

Certainly, all those who submit to God are muslims, because that is the definition of the word:

Islam means submission, but has the root slm meaning peace. The complete meaning could be "Finding Peace/Security through Submission to the One God". A muslim would be "One who finds Peace/Security through Submission to the One God".

The term is very old, and the concept within the root word slm was an important part of the language and culture of most those speaking "semitic" languages. The greeting of the Akkadians for example was the same as the Arameans, or even the same as the greeting of Jesus as depicted in the New Testament: "Peace be with you".

In the New Testament, Jesus is depicted worshipping in the traditional fashion that some Jews and all Muslims still use today, prostration. This was not exclusive to the region, but existed as the primary gesture representing total devotion and submission throughout the entire world, from Africa to Asia, Europe to the Americas. I think that it is beyond chance that this way of worship and the concepts that come with it, were so thoroughly spread across the world without any contact between the various cultures at great distances. I believe the One God provided the same messages to all people, and that they were all guided to perform religion the same way.

I showed verses in Aramaic, the language supposed to have been spoken by Jesus, to show that the term Allah is used in Aramaic as well, which is extremely similar to Arabic, which is the language used by the Qur'an. Allah is one of the oldest known words for The God, and was used throughout all the regions where similar languages were spoken. It is transliterated differently these days, possibly due to shyness on the part of translators, so they say "Eloah" for the Hebrew version, or "Ellah" for the Aramaic at times, while all are pronounced the same and spelled with the same letters and root. It is pronounced "Ullah" or "Ullaw" like the word hull and law.

The gestures of worship were the same throughout the world, they consisted of standing, standing with arms fastened (there are sumerian statues depicting this as well, and Chinese depictions also), bowing low, kneeling, and prostrating with hands and forehead on the ground. In the process of doing these postures, praise of the One God were made. Before approaching worship, the purification rituals were the same around the world as well, consisting generally of washing the head, arms up to elbows, and feet up to ankles. This was done in Ancient Egypt, India, China, Japan, and throughout the world, even Greece and Rome. If one was otherwise unclean, they would completely bathe their bodies.

The worship was performed throughout the day, to cleanliness throughout the day was also important. That is why baths were so important in cultures like the Indus Valley culture, Rome, and in Egyptian homes, as well as in China. The Emperor of China even worshipped Shangdi, the word meaning Above Sovereign, Ultimate God.

As much as I respect all religions, and see them all as an aid to understanding God, and a help in living a good life,
in my submission to God
I listen only to Him, in the quiet of my heart and soul.

The practise I'm developing is only for me, and is arising from this quiet place,
and it is one small part of my whole spirituality.

I can't, and won't, separate myself from the times we are in, which means I'm not searching for a One Religion,
but simply being conscious of all that is taking place.

For thousands of years, the world's religions have held humanity together, in negative and positive ways,
but that time is coming to an end, when Jesus returns, all will be changed,
and the truth will become so evident I could imagine the religions will be replaced by one that is the result of the full reality of our existence being made so clear to us.

But, thankyou for the discussion, Muslims are so knowledgeable it is always a pleasure, and I learn something new

Heartflowers

**kalamity kool**

LOTUS FEET Wrote:

kalamity kool Wrote:
Ahaa, I think maybe Islam is closest!

(I will read the first few pages, don't worry)

I end my practise with the kneeling posture Muslims use, and in my submission to God, I am a Muslim.

Allah Akbar!
Truly.

LOL kalamity kool did you let that man get to you? I remember us discussing your first meeting. You do know that is called 'Social Jihad' don't you?

Not sure what you mean Lotus, in the above post I was speaking about a personal practise, independent from this thread, which I hadn't read.
And - what 'first meeting' are you talking about?

**FreedomStands** · (This post was last modified: 05-27-2011 03:03 AM by FreedomStands.)

I have some responses written on the page before this one.

As for the return of Jesus, I've heard stories of some people who plan to try to fake a return of Jesus to promote a single world religion and government.

I don't think I would trust or believe in the televised return of Jesus, just as Jesus requested in the New Testament when he said not to believe people when they say "there he is".

I don't believe in a return of Jesus before judgment day. I believe Jesus will return when everyone returns, when the dead are risen and face judgment.

I wanted to mention that there was more than just kneeling performed by the ancient people from around the world in their devotional gestures of worship, I have some videos on the first page that show the traditional Jewish and Christian ways of worship.

Feel free to comment on anything you read on the first page at any time, I'd love to know what you think of whats written on that page.

I may not be considered a member of the following religions, but I consider myself a:
Muslim (Worshipping Allah)
Hindu (Worshipping Vishnu, Shiva, Brahman)
Christian (Worshipping Allaha)
Yehudi (Jew) (Worshipping Eloah)
Zoroastrian (Worshipping Ahura Mazda)
Hypsistarian (Worshipping Hypsistos)
Buddhist (Following the Eightfold Path, revering Dharmakaya)

Who follows and believes in a form of:
The Egyptian Religion (Worshipping Amun)
The Sumerian Religion (Worshipping Allah)
The Babylonian Religion (Worshipping Alla)
The Assyrian Religion (Worshipping Ellil)
The Syrian Religion (Worshipping Allaha)
The Akkadian Religion (Worshipping Alalu)
The Hittite Religion (Worshipping Alalus)
The Illyrian Religion (Worshipping Sabazios)
The Scythian Religion (Worshipping Papaios)
The Aryan Religion (Worshipping Dyeus)
The Brahmin Religion (Worshipping Brahman)
The Han Religion (Worshipping Shangdi)
The Japanese Religion (Worshipping Futsu)
The Native Religions of North America (Worshipping Wakan Tanka)
The Native Religions of South America (Worshipping Viracocha)
The Aztec Religion (Worshipping Tezcatlipoca)
The Native Religions of Africa (Worshipping The One God, see African Monotheism)
The Native Polynesian Religions (Worshipping Io Matua Kore)
The Native Aboriginal Religions (Worshipping The One God)
The Celtic Religion (Worshipping Dagda)
The Nordic Religion (Worshipping Odin)
The Germanic Religion (Worshipping Woden)
The Gaulish Religion (Worshipping Dispater)
The Finnish Religion (Worshipping Ylijumala)
The Latvian Religion (Worshipping Dievs)
The Slavic Religion (Worshipping Perun)
The Turkic Religion (Worshipping Tengri)
The Persian Religion (Worshipping Ahura Mazda)
The Phoenician Religion (Worshipping Ela)
The Greek Religion (Worshipping Zeus Hypsistos)
The Etruscan Religion (Worshipping Veltha)
The Roman Religion (Worshipping Jupiter)

**kalamity kool**

FreedomStands Wrote:

I have some responses written on the page before this one.

As for the return of Jesus, I've heard stories of some people who plan to try to fake a return of Jesus to promote a single world religion and government.

I don't think I would trust or believe in the televised return of Jesus, just as Jesus requested in the New Testament when he said not to believe people when they say "there he is".

I don't believe in a return of Jesus before judgment day. I believe Jesus will return when everyone returns, when the dead are risen and face judgment.

I wanted to mention that there was more than just kneeling performed by the ancient people from around the world in their devotional gestures of worship, I have some videos on the first page that show the traditional Jewish and Christian ways of worship.

Feel free to comment on anything you read on the first page at any time, I'd love to know what you think of whats written on that page.

I may not be considered a member of the following religions, but I consider myself a:
Muslim
Hindu
Christian
Yehudi (Jew)
Zoroastrian
Buddhist

Who follows and believes in a form of:
The Egyptian Religion
The Sumerian Religion
The Babylonian Religion
The Assyrian Religion
The Akkadian Religion
The Hittite Religion
The Illarian Religion
The Scythian Religion
The Aryan Religion
The Brahmin Religion
The Han Religion
The Japanese Religion
The Native Religions of North America
The Native Religions of South America
The Native Religions of North Africa
The Native Religions of East Africa
The Native Religions of West Africa
The Native Religions of South Africa
The Native Religions of Europe
The Native Religions of South East Asia
The Native Polynesian Religions
The Native Austronesian Religions
The Native Aboriginal Religions
The Celtic Religion
The Nordic Religion
The Gaulish Religion
The Saxon Religion
The Scottish Religion
The Finnish Religion
The Latvian Religion
The Slavic Religion
The Turkic Religion
The Persian Religion
The Phoenician Religion
The Greek Religion
The Etruscan Religion
The Roman Religion
The Native Religions of North America
The Native Religions of South America
The Native Religions of North Africa
The Native Religions of East Africa
The Native Religions of West Africa
The Native Religions of South Africa
The Native Religions of Europe
The Native Religions of South East Asia
The Native Polynesian Religions
The Native Austronesian Religions
The Native Aboriginal Religions

Wow, that's quite a few beliefs to hold in one soul Freedom!

And yes, I agree we will need discernment to recognize Him, and I think we develop that continuously, in how we live and how we love, and
ultimately it is a gift.

**FreedomStands**

kalamity kool Wrote:

Wow, that's quite a few beliefs to hold in one soul Freedom!

And yes, I agree we will need discernment to recognize Him, and I think we develop that continuously, in how we live and how we love, and
ultimately it is a gift.

It really isn't difficult to fall under all those beliefs, because they are all just epithets of the One God from around the world. The worship was done the same, the qualities were the same. The stories are even generally the same up to a point covering most of the things mentioned in the Torah and the Qur'an, such as the creation of the Universe, the creation of the Earth, the creation of mankind, the activities of the adversary, the flood.

I think you might have decided that I'm a muslim, which I would agree with completely, but I wanted to reinforce also that the term "muslim" encompasses all devotees of the One God who surrender and worship God alone. It can encompass numerous languages and varieties of epithets for the One God. That is because the term muslim simply means one who surrender/submits to the One God, and the only "religion" ultimately is submission to God. All the religions were that. Could what was not submission to God be called a religion?

So the term "muslim" is an honorary term, for anyone who hopes to submit to the One God. The religion of "Islam" which means submission to God, is Universal, and not exclusive to arab people or anything like that.

The word "Catholic" means "Universal", "according to (kata-) the whole (holos),"

So I follow the Catholic religion, the religion that is Universal, according to the whole.

I'm a muslim, one who is submitting to God. The term is a verb, an action.

A Muslim Catholic? How can it be? When people understand the meanings of words, many things might open up. Then one realizes that despite the languages involved, the One God was being spoken of around the world.

How is it that I am a Christian? I consider myself a follower of Jesus the Christ. Christ means annointed one, this is the Greek translation of the term Messiah. The annointing is a reference to Kingship and Prophethood, like King David. I believe Jesus is the Messiah. I believe God is the only savior. Messiah doesn't mean God or Savior, but it means annointed one.

How is it that I am a Yehudi (Jew) without being a member of the tribe of Judah?

Yehuda is said to mean "One who praises the Lord God Almighty"

A Muslim, Catholic, Yehuda?! How can it be? That is one who submits to the God of all people (The Universal Religion) and praises the Lord God Almighty. Is it possible? I think so!

How about Aryan? The term means noble, and the root refers to having morals and noble intentions.

A Muslim who is a Catholic who is a Yehuda who is an Aryan? Wow! One who submits to God willingly, follows the Universal religion of all people, Praises the Lord God Almighty, and is of strong morals and noble intentions? Possible?!

**FreedomStands**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ZxldeB43M