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FreedomStands  Wrote:

I hope to represent a number of religions in this thread. I do not worship with other people or visit any mosque or church. I don't think it is wrong to worship together with people though, it can be really great.

why this friendly attitude in this thread and mocking Jews in another one?

how did he mock jews? i thought he was kissing ass?

Freedomstands, I have cited a top Hebrew scholar's work, Jeff Benner, who wrote the Ancient Hebrew Lexicon.

As far as Messiah is concerned. The reason that the Jewish people did not accept Jesus as their Messiah, is for the simple fact he did not fulfill the biblical prophecies or the timeline. Many Christians cite many scriptures that they 'think' relates to Jesus but when those scriptures are fully examined, you find that Jesus did not fulfill the criteria that was specified by so many different prophets and mystics.

An example of that is he did not enter Israel twice. He did not stand against the Prince of Persia. He didn't have the right gender or appear in the right timeline. He wasn't known to be a writer, there is no mention that he had a skin disease, he didn't wear the golden gown. He wasn't sent to the USA (babylon). He wasn't found in the Galilee of the Gentiles. The bible was very clear that God would plant HER in the valley of Jezreel. The one known as Christ predicted that the Queen of the South would come and wisdom would be proven right by her actions. He also told them that the sign of Jonah would arrive and that would be the sign to the orthodox.

Unfortunately, Christians have been misled and so have the Muslims. Hence, why the biblical prophecies tell the Muslims to drink and be exposed. It tells the Christians that their covenant with death is annulled.

However, it does not matter that he wasn't the Messiah that they were waiting for because those that truly know him, truly love him. Not for the legends or myths, but for his complete and sheer dedication to the people and helping them in the here and now. He like many other energies do their utmost to help the people. He repeated the prophecy that the old heaven and earth would pass away, but his words will never pass away. He will always have a very special place in the hearts of the ones that have truly walked with him and no book, legend or prophecy can change that. At the end of the day, it is EXPERIENCE of the divine that counts. It is the sacred union with the divine that counts.

It is through experience of the divine that one really comes to know truth. However, first you have to lay down your head (metaphorically) and pick up your heart because you can only KNOW the divine coming from a pure and sincere heart.

As he said 'Christianity was never born, it is still in the womb'. There is greater truth coming about his story when the people are ready to hear it.

Lotus

How great is our GOD? Bigger than this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q

but I call it worship.

Oops, my mistake, I should have said, son of God.
God, come down to Earth in spirit form, to the body of the man Jesus.
To bring about the possibility for us to live eternally, with Him, and also to bring about the presence of the Holy Spirit on the Earth.

The Trinity discussion reminded me of a small event in my life recently.
A frog had become trapped in my bed-side glass of water, while I'd been away.
The water was long gone, and the frog looked dark and sick, in fact I thought he might be dead.
I took him to an old bath-tub in the garden, with water in it and a branch as a bridge..
when I went later to check, he was swimming around, suddenly in paradise again.
It occurred to me that, to that frog, I wasn't God, because I did not make him, but that I was like Jesus, because I saved him,
and the resultant bond between us is the Holy Spirit, the energy that was created from my act of mercy.

Does it make sense to anyone?

kalamity kool  Wrote:

"Muslims do believe Jesus was the Messiah. He is called the Messiah throughout the Qur'an. He is the only one called the Messiah. Muslims believe in the virgin birth as well and the miracles performed by Jesus by Allah's leave. They believe that Jesus was a word of God, and was assisted by the Holy Spirit."


Oops, my mistake, I should have said, son of God.
Allah, come down to Earth in spirit form, to the body of the man Jesus.
To bring about the possibility for us to live eternally, with Him, and also to bring about the presence of the Holy Spirit on the Earth.

The Trinity discussion reminded me of a small event in my life recently.
A frog had become trapped in my bed-side glass of water, while I'd been away.
The water was long gone, and the frog looked dark and sick, in fact I thought he might be dead.
I took him to an old bath-tub in the garden, with water in it and a branch as a bridge..
when I went later to check, he was swimming around, suddenly in paradise again.
It occurred to me that, to that frog, I wasn't God, because I did not make him, but that I was like Jesus, because I saved him,
and the resultant bond between us is the Holy Spirit, the energy that was created from my act of mercy.

Does it make sense to anyone?

Yeah, that makes sense, but God is supposed to be the one who gives paradise, needing no intercessor.

God doesn't need to come down in spirit, because God is already pervading everything everywhere, closer to us than our own jugular veins, animating all life.

God doesn't need partners to save humanity, God does all the saving, and by saving that frog, it is ultimately God who showed mercy to the frog.

God can show mercy to anyone. Why does the torture and horrible death of an innocent man need to happen in order for God to forgive people and give them paradise?

God is all powerful, God can give paradise to whoever God wants to give paradise to.

Does that make sense as well?

God is also not a human man, and so does not have children, which is what humans and animals have. God is the creator, the only creator, what God creates are called creations. Children are not the creations of their parents, but God creates parents and their children, they are not genetically related to God, who created genetics, but does not have a form or body and does not have genetics.

Does that also make sense?

It didn't HAVE to happen, I know it seems irrational, I think He wanted to experience our life, because we are so special to Him.
For the life of me, sometimes I can't understand why that Love is.
So much wrong here.
But, there it is, an unalienable reality.
He has a plan for us, which we do not fully understand yet, but in which we are key participants, all of us who have the ears to hear and the eyes to see.
He is all that you say He is, the half-God half-human that Jesus was,
doesn't take anything away from the glory of God, and His never-ending mercy and grace.