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kalamity kool Wrote:

Yes, it does.

In choosing to do as He did, and come down to our planet,
He acted irrationally, it seems to us,
but it was a supreme act of Love.
Never to be repeated.
NO more death for Jesus

Where do you think God was, or what do you think God is that God traveled to our planet?

God was already present everywhere on the planet absolutely. God sees everything we see, knows everything we know, knows every detail of how we feel and what we experience and how we experience it in more ways than even we know. Jesus may have never died in the first place, and according to the Qur'an, God even prevented his torture and crucifiction from happening to him, nor does God require such things in order to forgive people of sins.

So God was already here, always, and was never not present, and God was already in everyone and everything, knowing them inside and out, knowing their experiences in every way, knowing their sensations. This is all part of the quality of "omniscience" and furthermore God created the possibility of all these things (such as every kind of sensation and experience) and God is the one who gives these things, and knows entirely how they feel, better than us. To say that God does not know how it feels, or lacks the information is to say God is not omniscient and take away one of the central qualities of God.

God is omnipotent (can forgive without complicated processes, having power to create anything or destroy anything in an instant, having the power to manipulate reality entirely without anyone noticing)

God is omnipresent (meaning everywhere absolutely, encompassing the entire Universe and all realities, pervading everywhere, inside you, behind your eyes, infront of your eyes, all around you, infinite meaning that there is no end and there is no center to God, God reaches in every direction without end, you can find no limitations or boundaries to God)

God is omniscient (meaning that God has absolutely all knowledge, experience, and sensation, and memory, all these things are information. God sees everything and hears everything in every possible way at every possible place, and God created all those sounds and sensations as well. God knows absolutely how everything feels for everyone at every time.)

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 34599 05-29-2011 11:24 AM

The same stream of life that runs through my veins night and day runs through the world and dances in rhythmic measures.

It is the same life that shoots in joy through the dust of the earth in numberless blades of grass and breaks into tumultuous waves of leaves and flowers.

It is the same life that is rocked in the ocean-cradle of birth and of death, in ebb and in flow.

I feel my limbs are made glorious by the touch of this world of life. And my pride is from the life-throb of ages dancing in my blood this moment.

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kalamity kool Wrote:

Freedom, do you believe God has a plan for human existence?
That we are evolving, moving forward through time, to a fulfillment of God's design?

I think I wrote about that in one of the above posts. It might have posted around the same time you asked the question though.

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LoP Guest Wrote:

The same stream of life that runs through my veins night and day runs through the world and dances in rhythmic measures.

It is the same life that shoots in joy through the dust of the earth in numberless blades of grass and breaks into tumultuous waves of leaves and flowers.

It is the same life that is rocked in the ocean-cradle of birth and of death, in ebb and in flow.

I feel my limbs are made glorious by the touch of this world of life. And my pride is from the life-throb of ages dancing in my blood this moment.

What you call life and depict as animation and power, I call God the animator, the controller of all life, animation, and existence.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 34599 05-29-2011 11:27 AM

Praan

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 34599 05-29-2011 11:29 AM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Praan

^ clickable link BTW

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 34599 05-29-2011 11:30 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-uCTrR2t1c

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"Nothing can take away from the glory of God, but Jesus is another creation of God, what is not imbued entirely with God, filled entirely with God, surrounded entirely with God? Everything is, even a speck of dust is. But none of these creations "are God entirely" because God can do away with anything and does not lose anything, yet anything that exists is made entirely of God, sustained entirely of God. What is not?"

I totally agree. I believe we are speaking about the Hicks Boson particle, the smallest building block in the Universe, its known as the 'God Particle'.
In a spiritual sense, it could be said to be conscious, this particle, some of God's awareness would be within that structure.
I can also imagine that He exists in various ways, of which we know nothing.

"Though we may be the key participants in a plan, God also could create any other plan, any other way, and ultimately we are not key participants or "requirements", yet God created us without any need, because God has no needs or requirements, and supported us, and treats us with kindness, mercy, and justice. "

I agree also, except I believe He does have a plan, which is to bring His Kingdom to the world: "In Earth as it is in Heaven".

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 34599 05-29-2011 11:44 AM

FreedomStands Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:

The same stream of life that runs through my veins night and day runs through the world and dances in rhythmic measures.

It is the same life that shoots in joy through the dust of the earth in numberless blades of grass and breaks into tumultuous waves of leaves and flowers.

It is the same life that is rocked in the ocean-cradle of birth and of death, in ebb and in flow.

I feel my limbs are made glorious by the touch of this world of life. And my pride is from the life-throb of ages dancing in my blood this moment.

What you call life and depict as animation and power, I call God the animator, the controller of all life, animation, and existence.

I recognise your perspective.

IT, however, does not "control" (on the contrary.)

IT is expressed through- and as every being. None "lessor-than", none "greater-than" any other.

IT seeks no worship.

IT seeks no belief in itself.

IT seeks no "loyalty" as every being is part of IT.

IT Creates only, and never destroys.

IT wishes only happiness and Joy for all That IS.

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LoP Guest Wrote:

The same stream of life that runs through my veins night and day runs through the world and dances in rhythmic measures.

It is the same life that shoots in joy through the dust of the earth in numberless blades of grass and breaks into tumultuous waves of leaves and flowers.

It is the same life that is rocked in the ocean-cradle of birth and of death, in ebb and in flow.

I feel my limbs are made glorious by the touch of this world of life. And my pride is from the life-throb of ages dancing in my blood this moment.

Thankyou for that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4WB9bifNXw

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SpeaRitual Wrote:

Ethics.

Reverence of love.

Antipathy - the political capital of the delusional steeped in enmity. None too many consider masterful, manipulative exploitation, benevolent.

Can you explain this a little more?

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 34599 05-29-2011 12:08 PM

kalamity kool Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:

The same stream of life that runs through my veins night and day runs through the world and dances in rhythmic measures.

It is the same life that shoots in joy through the dust of the earth in numberless blades of grass and breaks into tumultuous waves of leaves and flowers.

It is the same life that is rocked in the ocean-cradle of birth and of death, in ebb and in flow.

I feel my limbs are made glorious by the touch of this world of life. And my pride is from the life-throb of ages dancing in my blood this moment.

Thankyou for that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4WB9bifNXw

Hm, a curious being that, Florence. Thank you for showing this to me. I marvel at what I see around me.

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kalamity kool Wrote:

I agree also, except I believe He does have a plan, which is to bring His Kingdom to the world: "In Earth as it is in Heaven".

I'm glad we agree on everything. I would say God is not made of particles of any kind, but created every kind of particle, and particles may be infinitely small, but God is everywhere, aware of everything.

I believe that God will create the Kingdom of Earth, and make it a paradise.

I believe the plan was to give humanity an opportunity to witness their own conduct so they can't deny the judgment when it comes.

Beyond that, it is an honor that I God has invented us and created us from nothing, when God did not require to do so, nor does God require to do anything.

The importance of this pre existence is perhaps to give us a chance to worship God and do goodness, so that we can agree with the judgment when it comes no matter what we have done, this is like we are testifying and collecting evidence against ourselves or for ourselves.

In the end, God will ressurect everyone. Those who spent their lives doing cruelty and harm will get exactly what they deserve, and those who did good will get exactly what they deserve. God is the judge, the final executor of justice, and the only one with any power to do this or that.

**kalamity kool** · (This post was last modified: 05-29-2011 12:19 PM by kalamity kool.)

Yeah, she (Florence) is right out there, at some edge, I'm certain.
Very passionate, smooth but kinda raw..

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I've posted our wonderful conversation on the front page near the bottom!