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**FreedomStands**

NME Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
The one who can admit that they don't know what love is may be more in touch with themselves than the one who says they know what it is, yet only know what they imagine it to be, or are otherwise lying.

What good is honesty next to love?

FreedomStands Wrote:
So the purpose of that tale, with all the set up, was that those who do not know what love is are asses?

Yes.

FreedomStands Wrote:
Why not the one calling people asses?

They know of love.

How do we know the one calling the others asses knows of love, especially if they are treating them in a way that seems unloving to others who may claim to know of love?

The importance of Honesty is that it makes things clear. Some Love mixed with lies can lead people astray, even if it is not intended to.

Honesty is like an accurate map, since honesty relates to being truthful, and truth relates to accuracy, the map will be precise and more useful than the map that is made dishonestly, which leads people to places that don't exist.

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kalamity kool Wrote:

"Are there any of you who do not know what love is, who have not tasted love in any shape of form?"

Thinking you haven't tasted any love is being blind.

And being an arsehole!

Make an act of kindness, and you have tasted love.

Some define kindness differently, such as killing a disabled person because they viewed their condition as miserable, and their murder as an act of mercy, kindness, and love.

Another may say that person was misled by their perception of what love was, and thus performed an evil act, further disabling the person from living. Though the person did it because they thought it would release them from what they deemed was a difficult or painful life.

The 3 asses were at least willing to admit they may not know clearly what love is, and thus can not know if they have tasted it.

**kalamity kool** · (This post was last modified: 06-14-2011 02:56 PM by kalamity kool.)

Nah, honesty isn't accurate, it merely tells the truth at a particular point in time, and only as far as a person is capable of looking at themselves clearly.

I don't believe there is anyone who hasn't tasted some love, performed some act of kindness.

**rout**

FreedomStands Wrote:

How do we know the one calling the others asses knows of love, especially if they are treating them in a way that seems unloving to others who may claim to know of love?

It's not unloving of someone to point out where someone has made an error--it's the opposite. Someone who doesn't love you would let you go on continuing in your erroneous ways. Beware those who would agree with you for their purpose.

FreedomStands Wrote:

The importance of Honesty is that it makes things clear. Some Love mixed with lies can lead people astray, even if it is not intended to.

That isn't the issue in this story. You're taking the idea out of it's context.

FreedomStands Wrote:

Honesty is like an accurate map, since honesty relates to being truthful, and truth relates to accuracy, the map will be precise and more useful than the map that is made dishonestly, which leads people to places that don't exist.

Again, it's out of context. In this instance, honesty is irrelevant. The point is Love and not knowing what it is.

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kalamity kool Wrote:

I don't believe there is anyone who hasn't tasted some love, performed some act of kindness.

I agree, but I believe there are those who may not understand the definition of love, or have defined it in such a way that they don't feel that they have tasted love or performed some act of kindness.

I think everyone has tasted love and performed some act of kindness though.

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NME Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
How do we know the one calling the others asses knows of love, especially if they are treating them in a way that seems unloving to others who may claim to know of love?

It's not unloving of someone to point out where someone has made an error--it's the opposite. Someone who doesn't love you would let you go on continuing in your erroneous ways. Beware those who would agree with you for their purpose.

FreedomStands Wrote:
The importance of Honesty is that it makes things clear. Some Love mixed with lies can lead people astray, even if it is not intended to.

That isn't the issue in this story. You're taking the idea out of it's context.

FreedomStands Wrote:
Honesty is like an accurate map, since honesty relates to being truthful, and truth relates to accuracy, the map will be precise and more useful than the map that is made dishonestly, which leads people to places that don't exist.

Again, it's out of context. In this instance, honesty is irrelevant. The point is Love and not knowing what it is.

He didn't tell them what it is though, he didn't tell anyone what it is, he just called them asses.

I agree that someone that doesn't love you would let you go on in error, but I also believe that someone who loves you would actually provide the correction rather than insulting the person.

**rout**

FreedomStands Wrote:

He didn't tell them what it is though, he didn't tell anyone what it is, he just called them asses.

Because Love originates in a persons being. That's why they are out of touch with themselves.

FreedomStands Wrote:

I agree that someone that doesn't love you would let you go on in error, but I also believe that someone who loves you would actually provide the correction rather than insulting the person.

It's a deserving insult. Through humility do you learn of love, so to chastise someone (their ego) is deserved because it's their ego that is the problem.

**kalamity kool**

NME Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
He didn't tell them what it is though, he didn't tell anyone what it is, he just called them asses.

Because Love originates in a persons being. That's why they are out of touch with themselves.

FreedomStands Wrote:
I agree that someone that doesn't love you would let you go on in error, but I also believe that someone who loves you would actually provide the correction rather than insulting the person.

It's a deserving insult. Through humility do you learn of love, so to chastise someone (their ego) is deserved because it's their ego that is the problem.

Yes, the insult in this case is an act of love.

**rout**

kalamity kool Wrote:

Yes, the insult in this case is an act of love.

Precisely.

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NME Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
He didn't tell them what it is though, he didn't tell anyone what it is, he just called them asses.

Because Love originates in a persons being. That's why they are out of touch with themselves.

FreedomStands Wrote:
I agree that someone that doesn't love you would let you go on in error, but I also believe that someone who loves you would actually provide the correction rather than insulting the person.

It's a deserving insult. Through humility do you learn of love, so to chastise someone (their ego) is deserved because it's their ego that is the problem.

Then one could argue, people deserve to be robbed to learn humbleness, or raped, or kicked. Rather, the humble person does not feel it is their position to insult another or teach them humility, because they themselves may be in error, and are especially arrogant if they think it is their position to teach these things. So to assist is better than to break it would seem.

I really would have thought a person might be more in touch with themselves if they really examined things and came to the conclusion that they know not what love truly is, rather than one who listens to whatever his own mind whispers. The one who admits to their ignorance seems more humble than the one who thinks the whispers in their mind are all the best guidance.

Do you have any more stories?

**rout**

FreedomStands Wrote:

Then one could argue, people deserve to be robbed to learn humbleness, or raped, or kicked. Rather, the humble person does not feel it is their position to insult another or teach them humility, because they themselves may be in error, and are especially arrogant if they think it is their position to teach these things. So to assist is better than to break it would seem.

You're extrapolating beyond the scope of the story by trying to idealize it into a rule for all occasions--it's inappropriate.

FreedomStands Wrote:

I really would have thought a person might be more in touch with themselves if they really examined things and came to the conclusion that they know not what love truly is, rather than one who listens to whatever his own mind whispers. The one who admits to their ignorance seems more humble than the one who thinks the whispers in their mind are all the best guidance.

Love is not a intellectual exercise. It comes from the heart. It engenders the emotions, not the mind, although it can flood the mind with ideas.

FreedomStands Wrote:

Do you have any more stories?

No more for tonight.

**FreedomStands** · (This post was last modified: 06-14-2011 04:01 PM by FreedomStands.)

Well that was great! I look forward to more stories, any time you find any!

**rout**

FreedomStands Wrote:

Well that was great! I look forward to more stories, any time you find any!

They are fairly easy to find if you want to look, but they are the kind of stories that I think are deserving of at least a day's meditation, maybe sitting outside under the sun alone. Maybe like the Taoist chapters of the Tao te Ching.

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I even deeply consider and meditate about the sad ending of certain episodes of some shows that end in sad ways!

**rout**

FreedomStands Wrote:

I even deeply consider and meditate about the sad ending of certain episodes of some shows that end in sad ways!

Yeah, there is some beauty in that sometimes--when it's not cheesey. :D