Post: #31

Nothing Is True  Wrote:

Galaxy  Wrote:

I won't shed a tear on it. It was too much right-wing.
I prefer a gov more in the center.
It will get even better if we can do it without the christians.
(they have taken away our freedoms one by one)

Earliest possible new electtions is 27 june, but that is in the mid of summer vacation, so maybe they pospone it to sept or oct.

Is there any chance then that the Dutch will go 'Belgian'? ie. no gov?

Don't think so. All parties from left to right are convinced that we must have a new gov asap.

Post: #32

The other ruling parties said they had the spending fixed and even had 1 billion too much saved and could make the cutting a bit lighter.
Only one small party where the leader is firmly in control over what the party stands for and what they do, all of the sudden, in the end, walked away with populist anti European remarks. And he mentioned he stood up for the elderly. When did he ever claim to stand up for the elderly? Maybe just now because some research suggest they may be a hot item in a new election...

I still need to hear his story. But it looks like he is playing. And it can be very costly to all of us.

Post: #33

Galaxy  Wrote:

Earliest possible new electtions is 27 june, but that is in the mid of summer vacation, so maybe they pospone it to sept or oct.

Yes, they now want it in september. As usual they shout first and then think.

Post: #34

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Galaxy  Wrote:

Earliest possible new electtions is 27 june, but that is in the mid of summer vacation, so maybe they pospone it to sept or oct.

Yes, they now want it in september. As usual they shout first and then think.

I heard september right away. But that is waayyyy too long. Why not next month...

Post: #35

(Reuters) - Dutch borrowing costs are expected to rise at a bond auction on Tuesday after the government collapsed in a crisis over budget cuts, worrying investors and the Moody's credit ratings agency.

Prime Minister Mark Rutte, who tendered his government's resignation on Monday, will appear before parliament later on Tuesday for a debate on how to proceed with austerity measures and the timing of elections.

The Netherlands is the latest euro zone country to run into trouble as it tries to streamline its finances to meet stringent European Union deficit limits.

The Dutch State Treasury Agency hopes to sell up to 2.5 billion euros at an auction of two-year and 25-year state bonds on Tuesday morning.

The sale is expected to see reasonable demand as it is the last issue of long-term bonds scheduled for this year but borrowing costs may creep up as investors demand a higher premium to hold the paper.

"The auction will be a litmus test as to demand for their paper given the impending a election... if there's a marked increase (in yields) then we'll know investors are getting a bit more worried," said Brian Barry, fixed-income analysts at Investec.

"I'd be very surprised if we saw a large jump in yields, but if there was to be an impact it would be in the longer-dated bond."

Yields have already risen on the secondary market with the 10-year spread over Bunds at its widest in three-years on Monday after the collapse of the minority government and the prospect of new elections rattled markets.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/04/24...me=topNews

Post: #36

Just on the radio; elections on 5 or 12 september.

Post: #37

LoP Guest  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Galaxy  Wrote:

Earliest possible new electtions is 27 june, but that is in the mid of summer vacation, so maybe they pospone it to sept or oct.

Yes, they now want it in september. As usual they shout first and then think.

I heard september right away. But that is waayyyy too long. Why not next month...

The latest article say's that smaller party's like the 1 man party of brinkman can not do it in that small amount of time, it would be not feasible for them.

Post: #38

Galaxy  Wrote:

(Reuters) - Dutch borrowing costs are expected to rise at a bond auction on Tuesday after the government collapsed in a crisis over budget cuts, worrying investors and the Moody's credit ratings agency.

Prime Minister Mark Rutte, who tendered his government's resignation on Monday, will appear before parliament later on Tuesday for a debate on how to proceed with austerity measures and the timing of elections.

The Netherlands is the latest euro zone country to run into trouble as it tries to streamline its finances to meet stringent European Union deficit limits.

The Dutch State Treasury Agency hopes to sell up to 2.5 billion euros at an auction of two-year and 25-year state bonds on Tuesday morning.

The sale is expected to see reasonable demand as it is the last issue of long-term bonds scheduled for this year but borrowing costs may creep up as investors demand a higher premium to hold the paper.

"The auction will be a litmus test as to demand for their paper given the impending a election... if there's a marked increase (in yields) then we'll know investors are getting a bit more worried," said Brian Barry, fixed-income analysts at Investec.

"I'd be very surprised if we saw a large jump in yields, but if there was to be an impact it would be in the longer-dated bond."

Yields have already risen on the secondary market with the 10-year spread over Bunds at its widest in three-years on Monday after the collapse of the minority government and the prospect of new elections rattled markets.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/04/24...me=topNews

stringent European Union deficit limits are in fact deficit limits we and Germany pushed hard for to get accepted in Europe. They are limits we expect all other countries to adhere to. And it is a good limit. It would be even better to not spend 3% more than what we have but spent without borrowing what so ever.
I can understand that maybe now, when the economy is going slowly and lots of people need welfare, that we do spent a bit more. But if it is possible to not spent more than we have, we should do it. If we loose 2-3% spending power for 2 years it is not so bad at all.

Post: #39

The Dutch government's failure to reach an agreement in talks to achieve tough spending cuts could see ratings agencies cut the country's prized AAA-rating and nervous investors push up the country's borrowing costs, and it will also have wider implications for the euro zone as a whole, analysts said on Monday. Prime Minister Mark Rutte will meet the Dutch queen on Monday afternoon to tender the government's resignation, Dutch broadcaster RTL reported. – CNBC

Dominant Social Theme: This is only to be expected. Wars are not won in a day, and neither will be the battle to save the EU.

Free-Market Analysis: Like some kind of rolling contagion, the insolvency affecting the Southern PIGS is spreading northward toward the supposedly solvent part of the EU.

Now it's Holland's turn. We learn that austerity hasn't been a soft sell in Holland any more than it has been in Greece, Portugal, Spain or Italy. Or Ireland, for that matter.

Of course, we figure the elites orchestrated first the downfall of Europe, from what we can tell, and then the following austerity. But maybe it is not working out as planned.

True, there are elite apparatchiks running Italy and Greece now, but the public furor hasn't died down and in the case of Greece and Spain seems to be growing stronger.

We figure this is partially because of what we call the Internet Reformation. The STATED plan (the Euro-crats have admitted as much) is that a Euro-crisis would eventually bring greater union to the unruly empire-in-progress.

The Eurozone is extremely important to the one-world government that is apparently being built brick-by-brick by the dynastic families of Europe and America. But the Internet itself has evidently and obviously exposed these plans.

What was intended to have been built in secret is being exposed with regularity. And the economic woes that should have provided an implacable impetus for a closer union may be working against the very plans that created the rolling Euro-depression in the first place. Here's some more from the article:

Dutch Finance Minister Jan-Kees de Jager sought to reassure investors on Monday, telling CNBC in The Hague that the Netherlands had always displayed budget discipline and would continue to do so. "The perception of financial markets is always important...and that's why I also have the message for financial markets that for decades the Netherlands have shown a solid fiscal budgetary policy and this will not change. In any government we have seen in the past we have seen solid policy and this will remain in the future," de Jager said.

The talks between the Dutch multi-party coalition government and the right-wing "Freedom Party," or PVV, which supports it in parliament, dragged on for seven weeks. On Saturday, Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced the talks had collapsed and blamed PVV leader Geert Wilders for the failed negotiations ...

http://www.thedailybell.com/3819/EU-Unra...lands-Turn

Post: #40

dont want to push an earlier response

...but i said before that 'W was ordered to blow it up, by his money suppliers ' , the edomite lobby
Interesting - theres *no one* yet, in media, who understands *what* is the reason, he blew it up right now.

Can you imagine?
- in a talking heads country like NL... always endless discussions about topics and reasons wha are besides the point...just for the sake of discussing...

and in a , basically, Reformation-minded society..... - 90 % of believers are pulled into giving their attention to ' should christian parties get involved in government again - and, if yes, how so ' etc


WHAT a WIN for lucifer
..to harvest so much distraction from believers...into non-topics...as 'christian government '

yes it gives me heartache

defeating tens of thousands
..who *should* be focussing elsewhere

Post: #41

Lone  Wrote:

dont want to push an earlier response

...but i said before that 'W was ordered to blow it up, by his money suppliers ' , the edomite lobby
Interesting - theres *no one* yet, in media, who understands *what* is the reason, he blew it up right now.

Can you imagine?
- in a talking heads country like NL... always endless discussions about topics and reasons wha are besides the point...just for the sake of discussing...

and in a , basically, Reformation-minded society..... - 90 % of believers are pulled into giving their attention to ' should christian parties get involved in government again - and, if yes, how so ' etc


WHAT a WIN for lucifer
..to harvest so much distraction from believers...into non-topics...as 'christian government '

yes it gives me heartache

defeating tens of thousands
..who *should* be focussing elsewhere

Again a new word. Jew to Kahzar to Edomite.... almost like they are shape shifters

Post: #42

Wilders has never a direct comment on developments.

He comes always a day later with it.

So i guess he has to wait for orders from Israel.

Post: #43

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Lone  Wrote:

dont want to push an earlier response

...but i said before that 'W was ordered to blow it up, by his money suppliers ' , the edomite lobby
Interesting - theres *no one* yet, in media, who understands *what* is the reason, he blew it up right now.

Can you imagine?
- in a talking heads country like NL... always endless discussions about topics and reasons wha are besides the point...just for the sake of discussing...

and in a , basically, Reformation-minded society..... - 90 % of believers are pulled into giving their attention to ' should christian parties get involved in government again - and, if yes, how so ' etc


WHAT a WIN for lucifer
..to harvest so much distraction from believers...into non-topics...as 'christian government '

yes it gives me heartache

defeating tens of thousands
..who *should* be focussing elsewhere

Again a new word. Jew to Kahzar to Edomite.... almost like they are shape shifters

yes its the same.
just FYI , read the book 'obadiah '. Its not long - one page. But you ll find describing the 'banksters 'there, ( ' from those whos hand we eat ') , who perpetrated the h*l*c*st ( ' you stood laughing while you let to take your own brothers in prison ') etc

its an evil mess

Point is - since W is sponsored by these,
would it make sense that he (was ordered) to blow it up 'because of pension ' ? - no. 'Because of anything else material '? - no.
'selfpride'? - no. 'political tactfullness ' ? - no.


the clue here, is the lobby - and their goals.

Those *anyway* have all the money, power and resources. They dont care about those. But they DO care about a certain number of poor sheep, who do believe in God -
and , mad as it sounds, THOSE bother them.

Just ponder it.

bless

Post: #44

Galaxy  Wrote:

Wilders has never a direct comment on developments.

He comes always a day later with it.

So i guess he has to wait for orders from Israel.

thanks GY , its true.

I guess They play each country on its own weaknesses;
so, why, for example, s never told that NL has a total round debt of 3,8 TRILLION ?

- instead of the official 400 billion -

Post: #45

"The movie, which he released online in March 2008 to international outcry, features disturbing images of terrorist acts superimposed over verses from the Quran in an apparent attempt to paint Islam as a threat to Western society."

oh they're not? what'd i miss?