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**Joe Neubarth**

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
When the US economy and the dollar falls,
the entire world will rock and roll.
The global economy will collapse.
Can you imagine factories all over the world
closing down. Farms going bust instantly.
Public and private essential services stopping.
Martial law. Civil war. Absolute chaos, EVERYWHERE.

This event, which is right around the corner,
will surely precipitate WWIII, if nothing else does.

Global thermonuclear war, famine, plague, pestilence.
Sounds Apocalyptic to me.

If you think for one moment that the collapse of
the greatest economy in the world is going to be
ANYTHING like the local bank folding,
you are in for a rougher time than the rest of us.

The above pretty much sums it up. I applaud everyones optimism but I don't think you guys are really thinking this through. Like I've said before, prepare for the worst, because it is gonna be bad. Although I do agree with the OP's ideas, I just don't think it will be likely for most after TSHTF. At least you guys are thinking ahead when it comes to starting over and living a more simplistic existence. In other words being self sustaining and using the barter system to survive. But if anyone is thinking that any form of economy or society is capable of being rebuilt think again. This country is going to be wrecked. Not to mention all of our nuclear reactors. When our grid collapses what do you think will happen? They're going to melt down, that's what's going to happen. Most of our reactors are located in the eastern half of the country so your odds of surviving that are pretty low if you live in that region of the country. Those that live in the plains states or the northern rockies have the highest odds of survival. Just stating the obvious here, not trying to sound like a defeatist. I am hoping for the best, although I'm not expecting it. But yeah, you should be preparing for what's coming regardless.

Total insanity from a bunch of very low IQ buffons. Nothing they say in this post had any validity. I suspect that it is intended to be comedy, but they are doing a very poor job of it.

**Joe Neubarth**

geminigirl Wrote:

JF Priest Wrote:
Coolchick Wrote:
ive posted this before and have passed it along to others to post before as well..
it is long but well worth it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...NCsH92ZeM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCsH92ZeM0

this video is worth watching, but have a pen & paper ready to keep notes so you can follow the connections it makes throughout the US history.

Grossly stupid bufoonery. Nothing but lies heaped upon more lies.

**Coolchick**

geminigirl Wrote:

JF Priest Wrote:
Coolchick Wrote:
ive posted this before and have passed it along to others to post before as well..
it is long but well worth it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...NCsH92ZeM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCsH92ZeM0

this video is worth watching, but have a pen & paper ready to keep notes so you can follow the connections it makes throughout the US history.

im glad you watched i ggirl..
i hope more do, but alas, i cannot make them.
i can only wish it were so... :)

**17:17** · reborn on 12/21/2010

get a grip Joe Neubarth

the current money-system based on usury, theft and inflation has failed yet again. Popcorn

**mstra** lop guest User ID: 124172 09-29-2012 06:20 AM

The coming together and working together as a community will happen when the time is right, and will happen naturally. Very few intentional communities survive unless they are a religious sect.

Best thing you can do is learn some things that will make you worth having around. Organizational skills and supervisory experience are not high on the list of practical needs. Your college degree will be worth approximately nothing.

As the OP pointed out, every member of a real economy produces goods of value to themselves and others. That is the basis, goods. Not services. Services come much further down the line, and are the first thing let go of when times get tough.

The folks working in the field growing food for next winter will not need things they can do themselves, like haircuts. They won't need to be entertained by professional musicians either, when half of them are already musicians themselves. They will not need tax accountants or financial advisers. They will have approximately zero use for bureaucratic skills and knowledge, or for that matter anyone presently in the employ of government.

Those who can grow, build, make, and repair will be needed. There will be no market for professional managers.

**Janus**

I really appreciate the few hours this thread was pinned.
Now that it's not I'm bumping it as the additional comments
most posters have made contain important and necessary
ideas that enhance the basic tenet.

The thread is about rebooting a real economy, regardless
of what the false one now in operation in the US does or
does not do.

As far as prepping for survival goes, I'm adding
fire suppression planning and equipment to the list.

**Janus**

**Janus**

**Emma Peel**

JF Priest Wrote:

Coolchick Wrote:
ive posted this before and have passed it along to others to post before as well..
it is long but well worth it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...NCsH92ZeM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCsH92ZeM0

Wow! This outlines the cartel family tree. I've seen quite a few of these types of videos so I wasn't expecting to learn anything new and many times don't bother to click on them if they are over 30 minutes.

Surprise, surprise!

Informative bit about the CIA as well.

Heartflowers

**Devout Agnostic**

Nailer45 Wrote:

actually when it collapses and you can pay off your mortgage with worthless fiat dollars that will be great, The bankers will not like it.

+1

if youve saved the value of your money in silver.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 78866 09-29-2012 10:37 AM

oh I see its rises to the top Jptdknpa

**Janus**

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 109076 09-29-2012 02:47 PM

Janus Wrote:

It will just be painful to reboot a real economy.

The one we have, though sound prior to
1913 and based on the Constitution,
is no more legal now, than a Monopoly game board,
complete with printed money on cheap paper.

The economy we have represents nothing but
debt. The debt is incurred to the Federal Reserve
by the federal government.

The representatives of the Federal Government
assume the debt they owe is the responsibility
of The People to repay. False premise.
Otherwise called slavery.

The representatives of the Federal Government
extract taxes, fines and license fees from The People
as if that was their right. False premise.
Otherwise called robbery.

In a real economy, one thing of value is traded for
another of value and everyone produces something.
Trades can be marked with notes of value, meaning
everyone agrees, if you hand something of value
to another, that person can pay with notes that can
be traded to another for something else of value.

Every person manages their own trading ventures,
as an individual.

Banks should be just safehouses for keeping the notes
from the exchange of things of value.

Borrowing notes from a bank, so the bank can make
interest is the first step toward what we have now.

Borrowing a substitution of notes from a bank,
that it does not have, is what we have now, giving
banks the power to create creditors, it can then
control with interest rates.

When everyone is a financed, everyone is in the power
of the lender. This is called usury.

Everything of value is valued at the bidding of the bank.
The bank places a value on everything from homes to
cars to people (how fines are extracted by courts)

The bank has control over the government, because the
government is running a deficit to the bank, called the
Federal Reserve.

Businesses are controlled by the bank as well, and banks
decide the value of the oil under the sand in the foreign
nations who supply crude to the refineries in America. on
a daily basis. In this way, gas prices are manipulated as this
is the fundamental manipulation of the US economy.

Right now, the bankers, aka creditors aka slavemasters,
are printing money as well as creating it out of thin air
on computers. Each dollar they print represent a debt to
them, for whoever gets it, and the interest charged on each
dollar as a debt, is calculated by the minute, on the computers.

The debt will be spread around to the federal government and
downstream banks, as well as to the oil industry, and Wall Street.
While dollars as debt become more plentiful, they will represent
less and less value. As the debt mounts, everything of true
value will require more and more of the dollars which are
accruing interest at the computers of the bank.

This is a primer. Most stop here. I'm going to tell you for free,
how to escape the crash of the economy that the bankers are
causing, without all the rhetoric of who the bad guys are etc.

^a lesson in magical thinking

OP, they are not just going to walk away and fade.
This is all planned. Brace for it. It is doom. Planned doom.

**Coolchick**

Emma Peel Wrote:

JF Priest Wrote:
Coolchick Wrote:
ive posted this before and have passed it along to others to post before as well..
it is long but well worth it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...NCsH92ZeM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNCsH92ZeM0

Wow! This outlines the cartel family tree. I've seen quite a few of these types of videos so I wasn't expecting to learn anything new and many times don't bother to click on them if they are over 30 minutes.

Surprise, surprise!

Informative bit about the CIA as well.

its a particularly good one..