Post: #16

LoP Guest  Wrote:

Are there no honest men in Washington willing to take on this blatantly corrupt organization?

Nope

Post: #17

regardless, it does need to change. i don't want grain-fed, especially GMO grain-fed, and I don't want anti-biotics in my meat. it does need done, and they need to find a way to make it happen that is not too traumatic for all parties.

i also don't like the way they kill the cattle. do they still run them in a line and knock them in the head?

man, take em one at a time back of the barn and shoot them. it puts too much adrenaline in the meat when they know the cow in front of them is getting killed.

Post: #18

LoP Guest  Wrote:

We are all sure, like you, that if a republican president had won, instead of Obama, they would shut down Monsanto.

If only Jeb Bush or Mcain had won.

Jeb Bush and John McCain are statist Democrats who, for some gawdamned reason, are allowed to stay in the Republican party.

Do you think that if a real Republican, like Ron Paul, got in, that Monsanto would still be telling the FDA what to do?

Post: #19

LoP Guest  Wrote:

The Comedian  Wrote:

iceni6  Wrote:

I thought a judge ruled that they HAD to stop it!

contempt of court!

ALL REGIMES OF THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES doesn't recognize any authority other than THE ONES WHO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY THEM OUT.

And it's in love with Monsanto:

Obama Appoints Monsanto's VP as Senior Advisor to the Commissioner FDA
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/52314...sioner-fda

I fixed your above quote.

You vandalized it and made an invalid and untrue statement.

No previous administration has shown the wholesale disregard for the Legislative and Judcial branches. Not even BJ Clinton, and that's saying something.

Post: #20

The Comedian  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

We are all sure, like you, that if a republican president had won, instead of Obama, they would shut down Monsanto.

If only Jeb Bush or Mcain had won.

Jeb Bush and John McCain are statist Democrats who, for some gawdamned reason, are allowed to stay in the Republican party.

Do you think that if a real Republican, like Ron Paul, got in, that Monsanto would still be telling the FDA what to do?

Dude...ANY president that gets out of line, and trys to take out the mega powerhouses, will most likely end up like Kennedy.,

Ron Paul aint gonna have the power to end the corrupt IRS, Monsanto , Fed Reserve , lobbyists, etc.

The REAL people in power, and that stay there, are able to do so, because they are the ones willing to do anything neccessary to keep that power...and that includes assinations and murder.

puppet presidents have very little power...

Post: #21

The Comedian  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

The Comedian  Wrote:

ALL REGIMES OF THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES doesn't recognize any authority other than THE ONES WHO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY THEM OUT.

And it's in love with Monsanto:

Obama Appoints Monsanto's VP as Senior Advisor to the Commissioner FDA
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/52314...sioner-fda

I fixed your above quote.

You vandalized it and made an invalid and untrue statement.

No previous administration has shown the wholesale disregard for the Legislative and Judcial branches. Not even BJ Clinton, and that's saying something.

I disagree...

the last several decades have been a systematic and planned downfall. Each puppet president has done what they were ordered to do, to ensure the collapse of the empire, at the proper time.

Post: #22

LoL Refuse........ Well, better do something about that. I mean, how on earth can that tiny little group of communists have you all doing what they say?? If they told you that it was now mandatory to add 1 cup of bleach to your soup, you would.... Then you would cry on the net


Oh.... You all tickle my funny bone. Weak, but funny.

Post: #23

Old Thread of mine
Some links might be broken.



The superbug theory and the garlic allicin chronicles.


While the world has never been a sterile place, it would seem that one of the most prevalent and virulent of mankind’s microscopic foes has always been Staphylococcus aureus. In fact, staphylococci are ubiquitous, and approximately 30 percent to 50 percent of healthy human beings will be carrying staphylococci at any one time
(Eidson, Olson & Sewell, 1997).


Staphylococcus aureus literally the "golden cluster seed"

Staphylococcus aureus

Staphylococcus aureus is a bacterium and is the most common cause of Staph infections, mostly in people whose immune systems are compromised but it can infect healthy people, too. Staph can cause a range of illnesses from minor skin infections, to life-threatening diseases such as pneumonia, meningitis and sepsis.


Staph infections

The treatment of choice for Staphylococcus aureus infections is penicillin. But Staph is fighting back, evolving new strains which are penicillin resistant (Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus = MRSA or Oxacillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus = ORSA).These new strains (MRSA) are greatly feared because they is resistant to most antibiotics.

MRSA "Superbug"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCREe5lHqjw

MRSA resistant cell mechanism
http://www.myspace.com/video/vid/28020047

Is MRSA the result of decades of antibiotic abuse?

Did doctors prescribed antibiotics unnecessary for simple colds, flu and other viral infections. Viruses which don’t respond to antibiotics. In addition, taking antibiotics when you have a virus may do more harm than good. Taking antibiotics when they are not needed increases your risk of getting an infection later that may resist antibiotic treatment.

The abuse of antibiotics in livestock.

According to the Union of Concerned Scientists perhaps as much as 70% of all antibiotics sold in the U.S. are given to cattle, swine, and poultry on industrial animal farms for reasons other than disease. Those reasons include: growth promotion, feed efficiency, weight gain, and prevention of illness due to overcrowding and bad sanitation.

Continue reading on Examiner.com Time to end the abuse of antibiotics in industrial animal production - National FDA Policy | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/fda-policy-in-na...z1NkhZ2DrE

This could result in the development and spread of more antibiotic resistant bacteria, or even worse from farm animals to humans, like the MRSA strain called ST398 already transferred from pigs to human.

Antibiotics, Animal Agriculture and MRSA: A New Threat .pdf
http://www.healthobservatory.org/library...fID=107139

Follow the Money

The Drug Companies, are they making us sick? Do doctors and hospitals got commission from drug Companies.

A story from china.

Chinese are on average taking 10 times as many antibiotics as other nations' populations, a leading drug official said yesterday.
This raises serious questions about antibiotics abuse and associated health risks, said Wu Zhen, vice director of the State Food and Drug Administration.
Wu was speaking at a food and drug safety meeting in Hainan Province.
China produces 210,000 tons of antibiotics every year. This is split almost equally between drugs for human consumption and, at slightly less, antibiotics for the livestock industry. Antibiotics are used to aid growth and tackle disease in domestic animals.

Continue reading on shanghai.gov http://www.shanghai.gov.cn/shanghai/node...41747.html

Is there an alternative medicine?

Could Allicine an extract from garlic be the answer

Garlic is not merely an ingredient to a dish. Since ancient times, garlic has been recognized by many diverse civilizations for its variety of medicinal properties. The Egyptian and Roman labourers used garlic in their diet to enhance their physical endurance and in the 20th century, garlic was used to fight against the global influenza pandemic (i.e. flu) of the time.
Continue reading on allicinfacts.com http://www.allicinfacts.com/

Allicine




Allicine is known for its antibacterial, antifungal and even antiviral properties. Allicine is garlic's defence mechanism against attacks by pests. When the garlic plant is attacked or injured it produces allicin by an enzymatic reaction. The enzyme alliinase, converts the chemical alliin to allicin, which is toxic to insects and microorganisms.
Allicin extracted from garlic loses its beneficial properties within hours and turns into other sulphur containing compounds. Diallyl trisulfade, which is similar to allicin but is chemically produced, is stable and is used for treatment bacterial, fungal and parasitic infections

http://www.phytochemicals.info/phytochem...llicin.php

Diallyl trisulfade



Diallyl trisulfade is slightly more expansive then antibiotics.
This cannot be a reason not to use Diallyl trisulfade (Allicine) instead of antibiotics, especially in Animal Agriculture.

For Dutch people

Een vandaag “Natuurlijk alternatief voor antibiotica: Allicine”
http://www.eenvandaag.nl/gezondheid/3785...a_allicine

More info

Allicin and Vitamin C http://garlicrx.com/userguide.pdf

Allicin as an Antibiotic http://www.docstoc.com/docs/34395571/All...Antibiotic

Healing Properties of Allicin, The Heart of Garlic http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/ga...tm#josling

Reference
http://www.antiessays.com/free-essays/75328.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staphylococcus_aureus
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/mrsa/DS...ION=causes
http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/flu-gu...ics-or-not
http://sullivanfiles.net/antibiotics/lamb_ST398.html
http://www.healthobservatory.org/library...fID=107139
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Staphylococcus_aureus
http://www.allicinfacts.com/

Pictures staph infections

http://atlasdermatologico.com.br/
http://www.ronjones.org/Weblinks/MRSA-Photos.html

Post: #24

The Comedian  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

The Comedian  Wrote:

ALL REGIMES OF THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES doesn't recognize any authority other than THE ONES WHO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY THEM OUT.

And it's in love with Monsanto:

Obama Appoints Monsanto's VP as Senior Advisor to the Commissioner FDA
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/52314...sioner-fda

I fixed your above quote.

You vandalized it and made an invalid and untrue statement.

No previous administration has shown the wholesale disregard for the Legislative and Judcial branches. Not even BJ Clinton, and that's saying something.

because that wasn't the plan.
what you're seeing is fabian socialism.
look it up.
each administration has built upon the corruption and powergrabs of the previous ones.
adding more to the list.
never overturning previous wrong.
but building upon them.
that's what has been happening.
that means the next one is going to be even worse.
and so on.
unless someone not beholden to the bankers gets into office.
someone who won't "go with the flow".

Post: #25

Post: #26

Luvapottamus  Wrote:

LoP Guest  Wrote:

mstra  Wrote:

Just to inject a little reality into this, the main non-therapeutic use of antibiotics in animals is at the feedlots where cattle are fattened on grain. Cattle are not naturally grain eating animals, they are grazers, and their normal digestive system can't handle grain, because the normal microbes react with gas and bloating. So they feed them antibiotics to kill off the digestive protozoans etc. They are also fed lots of bicarbonate of soda to counter the same digestive problems. Banning antibiotics would pretty much shut down the cattle feedlot biz.

It didn't start with Clinton.

the major rule changes that created what we have today re: big ag did start w/clinton. yes, there were some rules before but under clinton there was a major overhaul. not a few here or there, they completely altered the ag industry. i researched the rules myself and they can be found quite easily. not that it matters, really. bush sr was an advocate for the gmo industry and big into subsidizing them. but the rules which turned our food into utter crap, changing everything, happened under clinton. there was a massive change in regulations when taylor worked at the fda and the usda.

and worrying about shutting down the feedlot biz, so what? unethical businesses should be shut down. feed the cattle what they naturally eat. if you can't, get into another business. animals aren't here to be abused. we eat them, the least we can do in return for what they give us is to treat them well while they live and kill them humanely when they're slaughtered. having dominion over the animals doesn't mean they have to be treated poorly. that says a lot about our level of civilization, how we treat "lesser" creatures. might doesn't make right.

We should change the way this is done. I avoid most meat, especially beef. But banning the antibiotics could turn out to be a nightmare-pandemics in feed lots.

If we want to shut down feed lots and go to free range grass fed cattle that are regionally slaughtered, which I do, we need to transition to that in a measured way.

This ban may not be the "step in the right direction." They usually aren't.

Like Obamacare. It's not a step in the right direction.

If you want to fix something, you need to decide what you want as a final outcome and change the policies to create that outcome. Half measures make things worse much of the time.

Just my opinion. I'm not an expert on animal husbandry.

My aim was to inject some reality into a naive discussion by informing people that the majority of the antibiotics are not used in "the live stock industry" as if they are used constantly on all animals being raised on farms. The majority of the antibiotics are given to cattle to allow them to digest and get fat on grain, an unnatural food for grazing animals. Everyone with me so far?

It is a stupid and senseless waste of grain and antibiotics, besides being an immoral and unethical way to treat any animal. Cattle fed grain are unhealthy, and their meat is unhealthy to eat.

The entire industrial model of agriculture is an abomination, sick and twisted beyond belief, and the industrial confined animal operations are the sickest of all. There is NO reason and NO motive for fattening cattle on grain besides greed, and the same goes for ALL of the industrial animal operations. I think it would be perfectly just to take anyone who has profited from it and put them in the feedlots or chicken factories for at least a full year, let them stand in their own shit.

The government subsidizes grain growing, so grain is artificially cheap. Greedy people found a way to cash in on that subsidy by buying yearling cattle from ranchers for a few dollars, then feeding the cattle cheap subsidized grain for a few months so they get fat, and then selling the cattle into the market and pocketing far more money than the ranchers who raised them for the first 1 1/2 or 2 years. The confinement hog and chicken factories are the same thing, a way to cash in on government subsidies.

There would be no pandemics if the use of antibiotics was banned in cattle feedlots because the antibiotics are NOT being used to control disease, they are being used to kill the natural digestive microbes in the cattle so they can be fed cheap government subsidized grain. What would happen if antibiotics where banned from feedlots is the feedlots would shut down because the cattle could no longer be fed an unnatural food.

Clear enough now? There is NO justification for it other than naked greed.

Let the Stupid Grow the Food:
http://thenewagriculture.blogspot.com/20...-food.html

Satire, or not?

Post: #27

so sorry mstra. i thought you were defending the feedlots. ita w/you. it's an abomination.

Post: #28

Black Hat, I heard this story on NPR (National Public Radio/US) as I was driving to work a few weeks ago and wanted to pound my fist on the steering wheel when they said it was going to be voluntary.

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