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FUKUSHIMA - who is ready to leave the N. Hemisphere? Form Groups (SOCs)? .discuss.
Astrochik
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Very few people are willing to discuss actually doing anything about this. I did a very long thread at TOP and had a bunch of people write in, last year. Things are getting much worse, so now I'm revisiting this topic. I am still considering the same destination. I have at least one person very interested who has money and passport, and is aware.

I am looking for people with skills and/or resources to contribute to a project to form groups and do organic farming, etc, in S. America. The more money the more land can be gotten, and developed. I am thinking collective communities or buying tracts of land and dividing up into parcels.

Other suggestions are very much welcomed. I know I will get trolls here, but I am going to do my best not to feed them!! I know they are hungry, but they should be more worried about saving themselves, and their families, particularly children, from the very high likelihood that in the probably near future (a year, two, ten...still soon) Fukushima's spent fuel will release to the atmosphere, and more radiation from the meltdowns will occur.

This thread is NOT to discuss IF Fukushima is a threat, or how soon. This thread is addressing IMMEDIATE ACTION. New developments say that we could be entering a time when options become much more limited.

Better ten years too early, than one minute too late.

Buying land takes time. Should we wait to try to do it when we have to bid against people with much more money, or no money due to dollar collapse? Becoming a refugee...

I prefer to not have that happen.

Now, there can be argued that it might not happen, and you will waste your resources, time, etc. and then want to come back...

I decided to look at this project as if there were no overriding concern about radiation. Would it still be a good plan? With the impending economic collapse, I think it is still good.

Please take a moment to seriously contemplate this matter. It's not for humor. I won't be using the chuckle to respond. This is about making a move, against the tyranny of nuclear fallout, police state repression, and economic collapse.

...and for the people in Japan, I think they should be taking steps in this direction as well, I don't know if it's more difficult in their culture, but they should be thinking ahead. When a group of like-minded people get together, much more is possible.

I suggest everyone who is interested in this to decide they are interested enough to do the excercise clif suggested on his last "Finding Work" wujo... list your skills, hobbies, and resources...and think of what skills will be needed.

To the trolls: I'm not interested in hearing how the natives will hate me for being a "privileged american" will turn on me and mine, and how I'm a loser for wanting to abandon this country after I, with my greedy and wasteful ways, caused America's downfall, and now I am bringing my sorry (and huge) ass to burden another country, who is better off without me, my spoiled brats, and other despicable things....

K?

If they get Fukushima fully contained and fixed, and we elect Ron Paul in the next election, maybe I will change my mind and think about coming back for a visit. But I think it's gonna take a while, and I think Ron will be dead before Fukushima is fixed.

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Good Idea ....
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I have zero savings, but I can sew. I can make clothing and quilts.

I don't mind getting dirty, but someone will have to tell me which plants are the weeds to pull. chuckle
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I'm not running away from my home, family, friends and the area which I enjoy living in. I'll stay here and die if shit did get really bad rather than uproot myself and live somewhere to prolong my existence on this rock.
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I've trying to move to South Africa or New Zealand somewhere that speaks english.Not happening though. Wife won't move, so all I can do is prepare and hope for the best. I wish everyone that can best of luck.Heartflowers
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Will kool-aid be provided?

“You don’t want to become so open-minded that the wind can whistle between your ears.” ~Terence McKenna
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RE: FUKUSHIMA - who is ready to leave the N. Hemisphere? Form Groups (SOCs)? .discuss.
Currahee  Wrote: (04-09-2012 10:21 PM)
Will kool-aid be provided?

no, it has artificial colors and is either sweetened with sugar or aspartame, both of which are bad for you.

I do plan on brewing kombucha, kefir, beer, and wine.
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (04-09-2012 10:18 PM)
I have zero savings, but I can sew. I can make clothing and quilts.

I don't mind getting dirty, but someone will have to tell me which plants are the weeds to pull. chuckle

ability to follow instructions and willingness to work make a person more desirable...

what other skills do you have?
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I think you have laid out your argument very well, especially where you mention that such a move would still be viable and sensible even if there were no additional dangers from radiation from Fukushima Daiichi.

But why limit your potential locations to the Southern Hemisphere? If your view is that most of the dangers from radiation would be carried by prevailing winds, then there are still places north of the Equator where the putative fallout would be less.

Admittedly, since Fukushima is around 37 deg N lat (about the same latitude as San Francisco CA, Wichita KS or Springfield MO) living around those american cities would be a bit more dangerous, given that the prevailing winds from 30 deg N to 50 deg N are westeries. But there is a sort of barrier at 30 deg N lat, called the subtropical high, which acts as a barrier between the areas above than and the ones below that, which in turn are characterized by prevailing easterlies. Most of Mexico (as well as a few cities in the US) are below 30 deg N lat, but 17 deg N will take you to the heart of Belize, and 10 deg will put you right in the middle of Costa Rica; both countries are certainly amenable to settlers, with one of them (Belize) having English as its official language.

I must say that buying land in a foreign country is very tricky and some of the people there could (and would) take you to the cleaners. For example, you'd need, in addition to a local realtor, a local Notary (not like a notary here; more like a real estate and contracts lawyer) and the ablity to actually go there for a couple of visits prior to actually buying the land.

Nonetheless, buying land there can be a great deal, especially if you can qualify as a pensionado under their laws, so you can stay without having to leave every six months, as well as being allowed to take part in their national health care plan, such as it might be.

Another advantage of some of the locations in Central America (especially Belize) is that there is little large-scale industrialized agriculture there; this means that little pesticides are used. If you want to grow organically, it's a lot easier to do in Belize than in the United States.

Although my brother has already purchased a property in Costa Rica, my wife and I have been invesigating Belize a lot more carefully recently and have visited it twice. It's certainly the most cost-effective place to move that I know of.

Fighting ignorance -- one ignoramus at a time.
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I'm in the southern hemisphere, Astrochik. If you're around these parts (southern Africa) any time and wanna set up an organic farm I could probably give ya a hand!
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Old Whatshisname  Wrote: (04-09-2012 10:50 PM)
I think you have laid out your argument very well, especially where you mention that such a move would still be viable and sensible even if there were no additional dangers from radiation from Fukushima Daiichi.

But why limit your potential locations to the Southern Hemisphere? If your view is that most of the dangers from radiation would be carried by prevailing winds, then there are still places north of the Equator where the putative fallout would be less.

Admittedly, since Fukushima is around 37 deg N lat (about the same latitude as San Francisco CA, Wichita KS or Springfield MO) living around those american cities would be a bit more dangerous, given that the prevailing winds from 30 deg N to 50 deg N are westeries. But there is a sort of barrier at 30 deg N lat, called the subtropical high, which acts as a barrier between the areas above than and the ones below that, which in turn are characterized by prevailing easterlies. Most of Mexico (as well as a few cities in the US) are below 30 deg N lat, but 17 deg N will take you to the heart of Belize, and 10 deg will put you right in the middle of Costa Rica; both countries are certainly amenable to settlers, with one of them (Belize) having English as its official language.

I must say that buying land in a foreign country is very tricky and some of the people there could (and would) take you to the cleaners. For example, you'd need, in addition to a local realtor, a local Notary (not like a notary here; more like a real estate and contracts lawyer) and the ablity to actually go there for a couple of visits prior to actually buying the land.

Nonetheless, buying land there can be a great deal, especially if you can qualify as a pensionado under their laws, so you can stay without having to leave every six months, as well as being allowed to take part in their national health care plan, such as it might be.

Another advantage of some of the locations in Central America (especially Belize) is that there is little large-scale industrialized agriculture there; this means that little pesticides are used. If you want to grow organically, it's a lot easier to do in Belize than in the United States.

Although my brother has already purchased a property in Costa Rica, my wife and I have been invesigating Belize a lot more carefully recently and have visited it twice. It's certainly the most cost-effective place to move that I know of.

I have heard very good reviews of Belize, but I was primarily considering Uruguay.

What info do you have on this country? I've heard it's the least oppressive govt, easy to expatriate to, and buy property. I know someone who owns a condo in Montevideo who lives here. He's traveled all over S. America.

Also it's further from volcanoes, and it's got a good climate.
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Cosmah  Wrote: (04-09-2012 10:54 PM)
I'm in the southern hemisphere, Astrochik. If you're around these parts (southern Africa) any time and wanna set up an organic farm I could probably give ya a hand!
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I was really thinking S. America, but I'm open to suggestions. I am thinking several groups could be formed - do you have land there?HeartflowersHeartflowersHeartflowers
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Astrochik  Wrote: (04-09-2012 10:58 PM)
Cosmah  Wrote: (04-09-2012 10:54 PM)
I'm in the southern hemisphere, Astrochik. If you're around these parts (southern Africa) any time and wanna set up an organic farm I could probably give ya a hand!
Heartflowers

I was really thinking S. America, but I'm open to suggestions. I am thinking several groups could be formed - do you have land there?HeartflowersHeartflowersHeartflowers

Don't currently own any, but will likely have long term use of some soon. I've got some plans.

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