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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 37860 09-19-2012 03:24 PM

Take control of the children and brainwash them in institutions, tax the other 50%, WIN.

-TPTB

**Enaid**

SilentE Wrote:

The thing about feminism, that apparently people do not understand is that it's all about choices. You can choose what you want to do with your life. You're not destined only for motherhood or housewife. Education is not just a passing thought and equal treatment is the accepted norm.

The Women Wars are there to try and undermine advancement. I don't care if a woman wants to stay home and take care of her family and you know if things fall for her just as they could fall for me, I'd rather she have support and realize that no matter what she can be her own strength. The only thing that bothers me about women who stay home is that sometimes they forget how strong and awesome they really are.

Exactly.

I've lived in both the working world and the housewife world.
My choice - housewife.
I have no problem with women using their free will as they want.

**Enaid**

PS Real stupid thread title.

Most working women would love to stay at home and take care of loved ones.

Sadly - they've made decisions in the past that often prohibit them from doing so.

**Jessica6** · (This post was last modified: 09-19-2012 04:32 PM by Jessica6.)

Enaid Wrote:

PS Real stupid thread title.

Most working women would love to stay at home and take care of loved ones.

Sadly - they've made decisions in the past that often prohibit them from doing so.

I agree.

However, I have also seen enough bored, frustrated mommies out there who I think regretted staying at home as well, especially once their kids reached school age.

That was also my dig about 'PTA pitas' earlier. My husband works in a large school board and there are some women (stay at home 'corporate' wives) who constantly harass administrators and teachers about all kinds of rather petty things. They'll even have 30-page powerpoint presentations, that kind of thing. Or they micromanage their kids' lives rather than just let them be kids and have fun.

Many women get insecure about their social status and honestly, it isn't career-women putting these women down; these women are doing it to themselves a lot of the time.

I do not chase a career, neither do I have kids, and that is my choice. Instead I cut my lifestyle down - eat at home, don't shop for 'stuff' much, do vacations on the cheap and when money comes in, I save rather than spend.

What my sister, who didn't have to work did, was take advantage of the extra time she later had to pursue hobbies like painting and theater projects, that many women never get a chance to do.

I don't think stay-at-home wives are 'moochers' but when all they become are self-absorbed twits, it seems like such a waste...

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 122022 09-19-2012 04:34 PM

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I disagree. Just because men are pigs doesn't mean you should have the life you want (housewife). But you are right, you should have both eyes open.

Men now days are not men, they are drama queens.

I avoid them like the plague.

Maybe you choose bad men. Blame the whole sex for your inability to please a descend man why don't you.

Being a woman, I don't choose them, they choose me and I have kids now so I can't take any chances.

I go to work and I go home and I don't date people I work with, so no worries.

Being alone is better than any relationship.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 122022 09-19-2012 04:35 PM

Bet that website was put together by Muslims.

BJ lop guest User ID: 122023 09-19-2012 04:37 PM

Before the "feminist" movement, women were looked upon as dimwits that could only bake cookies, change diapers, and wipe snotty noses. They were sexually assaulted in the workplace, worked for a whole lost less than men doing the same work, and generally were thought of as inferior to men.

Women who were raped kept quiet about it because of the terrible consequences of turning the pervs over to the cops and the courts which didn't give a damn. The consequences of getting pregnant were worse! Girls had their educations interrupted, while the boys continued on, then found themselves in low-paying jobs that barely covered the expenses of just breathing. Reputations were ruined!

I never felt inferior to any man, but something clearly had to be done to level the playing field to where women no longer felt like they were expected to be ladies in the kitchen and whores in the bedroom, dinner on the table at five, and clean socks in the drawer.

Despite what some here think about the "feminist" movement, it was salvation for most women who, after being abused by their husbands, could divorce and get on with their lives, not being forced to stay in a loveless marriage for lack of a way out. I'm not saying it was easy, but the boost in self respect made it all worthwhile.

Been there, done that, and made sure my daughter had an education where she would be able to make her way should she fall into a failed marriage. She's doing just fine leading the single life, raised my grandchildren the same way, both productive and self-reliant. I sleep well at night.

**pocahontas** lop guest User ID: 119377 09-19-2012 04:40 PM

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I was being sarcastic, of course;

I just wonder if Romney fans know who's inside of his 47% - which don't pay federal income taxes?

No need to be ashame of that; a large part of billionaires and all corporations don't pay them as well.

trust me, uncle sam gets plenty from taxing the hubby's pay check. we look at it this way, sure I could work, but for what? to put us in a larger tax bracket? My husband already makes great money and oays lots of taxes, we don't need more money - we are able to adapt to living and enjoying what we already have. we'd just be taxed more and I'd be tired and fat. life is good. I truly mean that. its the way God intended.

Plus, by me not working, it frees up a job for someone who really needs it.

I said I was being sarcastic; I know that being a mother and housewife is a hard job. I was pointing out how repulsive was Romney remark on "moochers".

I pay higher fed income tax than Romney did in Y2010; on the other hand my parents don't pay it since they are retired - both of them being old-breed Reps. You can't image how upset they are.

yup, people are going to get screwed with taxes no matter what - that is a certainty. That's why you have to live within your means and live in the here and now. People that exist for the sole purpose of making money are missing out and wrt this thread, parents that want it all and have both spouse working are making the biggest mistakes -- day cares are raising their kids. You have to plan accordingly and if the mom can't afford to stay home and raise the kids in the beginning, she is only a catalyst at producing kids that are going to have a lot of issues from being raised at daycares and not having parents around a majority of the time. You can't pay someone enough to do what a mother does best for free. It disgusts me when I hear a mother say she loves dropping her kids off at daycare so she can have some peace and quiet, I used to hear that all the time when I worked. How sad that a mother could drop her child off and look forward to a day at the office. Sorry but that is f*cked up, why have kids at all?

Life can be quite enjoyable without chasing the almighty dollar. I'm not saying money and things are not important, but they are not worth living a stressed out life for something called 'the american dream'. Its all about living within your means, then work is just that, work, its not your reason for living.

I'd rather live to work than work to live.

**pocahontas** lop guest User ID: 119377 09-19-2012 04:50 PM

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Men now days are not men, they are drama queens.

I avoid them like the plague.

Maybe you choose bad men. Blame the whole sex for your inability to please a descend man why don't you.
Being a woman, I don't choose them, they choose me and I have kids now so I can't take any chances.

I go to work and I go home and I don't date people I work with, so no worries.

Being alone is better than any relationship.

I have to say I agree with you. If I was not married and happened to be single, I'd stay single, especially from what I've seen in the men today.

When I worked in an office it was constant innuendo/flirting from married men, lots of games and for many of my co-workers, they fooled around with people they worked with. Then there is online dating or worse the facebook crowd of trolling male psychos from your past that are looking to get into bed with anything that moves or looks in their direction. I have several friends that messed around with facebook fliritng, left their marriages only to come away being so f*cked up in the head and cheated on by the facebook person they left their husband for, that they now realize too that being single is so much easier.

So yeah a lot of broken stuff out there in the land of love. No thanks. I guess I am lucky to not be looking and if my man ever cheated, which so many keep saying 'he will', so be it. I can't do a damn thing about it. At least I can sit back and know I am not going to get hurt by thinking that there are any good men. They all seem to cheat. Its just a fact we have to accept I guess.

Heartflowers

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 121988 09-19-2012 05:06 PM

Silly me, I always thought it had to do with the stereotypes of an earlier era, the idea that women must choose between intelligence and beauty, mind and body, substance and surface.

With the current "war on women", it's no wonder this subject is once again topical.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 78703 09-19-2012 05:30 PM

Enaid Wrote:

SilentE Wrote:
The thing about feminism, that apparently people do not understand is that it's all about choices. You can choose what you want to do with your life. You're not destined only for motherhood or housewife. Education is not just a passing thought and equal treatment is the accepted norm.

The Women Wars are there to try and undermine advancement. I don't care if a woman wants to stay home and take care of her family and you know if things fall for her just as they could fall for me, I'd rather she have support and realize that no matter what she can be her own strength. The only thing that bothers me about women who stay home is that sometimes they forget how strong and awesome they really are.

Exactly.

I've lived in both the working world and the housewife world.
My choice - housewife.
I have no problem with women using their free will as they want.

Yes but feminists hate you though, did you even bother to read the awful things they say about housewives?

**River Fox**

The term "Rule of Thumb" comes from the law that you could beat your wife as long as the rod was no bigger than your thumb.

Hopefully we have evolved.

**The Lucky AC** Everything in life is luck User ID: 888 09-19-2012 05:41 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

Enaid Wrote:
SilentE Wrote:
The thing about feminism, that apparently people do not understand is that it's all about choices. You can choose what you want to do with your life. You're not destined only for motherhood or housewife. Education is not just a passing thought and equal treatment is the accepted norm.

The Women Wars are there to try and undermine advancement. I don't care if a woman wants to stay home and take care of her family and you know if things fall for her just as they could fall for me, I'd rather she have support and realize that no matter what she can be her own strength. The only thing that bothers me about women who stay home is that sometimes they forget how strong and awesome they really are.

Exactly.

I've lived in both the working world and the housewife world.
My choice - housewife.
I have no problem with women using their free will as they want.

Yes but feminists hate you though, did you even bother to read the awful things they say about housewives?

No, your messages are hateful, OP because you carelessly generalize about ALL women who work in the home and and ALL women who work outside of the home. You're probably only about 20 years old and have no REAL experience with either situation. Stop stirring shit, OP. Your agenda of divide and conquer is VERY transparent.