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**Fearless**

I always found it odd that Kaiser and Blue Cross donated to Obama's last campaign. Why?
Because it's the health insurance companies who drafted the national health insurance bill.
Do you really think health insurance companies, as monstrous in size and wealth as they are, will step aside and allow this? HELL NO. They stand to make BIG bucks on this bill.
Who is gonna pay for this "free" health care?
YOU.

A better idea would be to allow insurance companies compete across state borders. That'd drive the cost down REAL quick. It's really as simple as that.

Do you really want government taking care of your family, when they STEAL from you on a regular basis, promising to HELP you stay in your home, while they pad the wallets of these crooks?

For God's sakes, use your head.

**Old Whatshisname**

Enaid Wrote:

We need a smaller government. Not a larger one!!! Take away welfare. Give EVERYONE free college or vocational schools.

And don't forget FREE medical care, too. We'll make somebody build us hospitals, junior colleges, and universities for FREE and we'll have people pay for the maintenance and upkeep of those buildings for FREE and we'll ask the book publishers to give us FREE textbooks and then we'll ask the medical supply folks to give us FREE lithotripters, operating-room equipment, MRIs, CT scanners, and University laboratory equipment, and we'll make the college teachers, and doctors and nurses and all the ancillary people to work for FREE.

Enaid Wrote:

Stop giving away money the country doesn't have.

Isn't that exactly what you're proposing?? Whom do you suppose will be paying for all this FREE stuff?

Joe Neubarth Wrote:

Welfare is a very small part of our budget.

The entitlement set and the national defense set are almost equal in amount spent.

Joe Neubarth Wrote:

We need to do away with War and War Weapons, bring the soldiers home and find other means of employment for our young men.

Doing what? we can't even find jobs for the folks who are already here, and when you add the number of people in the Defense business you're going to fire, that'll be just that many more out of work

**AC488** I got no balls User ID: 488 05-01-2012 05:10 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

OP is right. Many european countries as well as Austrialia fund free lifetime healthcare for a fraction of the cost of our medicare program which only funds most people after retirement. Something is obviously wrong.

The only people who are afraid of national health care are the greedy bastards robbing us blind and those who follow them, caring nothing for anything but their personal possessions; as if they have something to gain from rooting around in their own shit like a pig, a capitalist pig.

**Twatwaffle** lop guest User ID: 93906 05-01-2012 05:32 PM

AC488 Wrote:

The only people who are afraid of national health care are the greedy bastards robbing us blind and those who follow them, caring nothing for anything but their personal possessions; as if they have something to gain from rooting around in their own shit like a pig, a capitalist pig.

The good news is that we can get rid of health insurers (capitalist pigs) altogether once we nationalize the people actually providing the health care service (pigs), all health care facilities, manufacturers as well as U.S. domiciled pharma firms (oink).

Then we limit their pay (pigs) to 10% of what they're paid today, subject to a maximum of $25,000 per annum.

Then health care will be more affordable than ever.

And these health care providers (pigs) won't complain, because we can just as easily coerce them to work without renumeration by force of government diktat.

**Old Whatshisname**

Twatwaffle Wrote:

AC488 Wrote:
The only people who are afraid of national health care are the greedy bastards robbing us blind and those who follow them, caring nothing for anything but their personal possessions; as if they have something to gain from rooting around in their own shit like a pig, a capitalist pig.

The good news is that we can get rid of health insurers (capitalist pigs) altogether once we nationalize the people actually providing the health care service (pigs), all health care facilities, manufacturers as well as U.S. domiciled pharma firms (oink).

Then we limit their pay (pigs) to 10% of what they're paid today, subject to a maximum of $25,000 per annum.

Then health care will be more affordable than ever.

And these health care providers (pigs) won't complain, because we can just as easily coerce them to work without renumeration by force of government diktat.

Thank God you're not an American! Please stay wherever you are and keep your government 'diktats' with you.

Thank you very much.

**Twatwaffle** lop guest User ID: 94204 05-02-2012 11:29 PM

Old Whatshisname Wrote:

Thank God you're not an American! Please stay wherever you are and keep your government 'diktats' with you.

Thank you very much.

Someone failed to detect what I really thought was really over-the-top sarc in making a point. I guess it wasn't over-the-top enough...

Anon

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 14880 05-02-2012 11:37 PM

It seems to me that the healthcare industry is making hospitals look like 5 star hotels, probably because it got subsidized so much, or they do not use market prices.