Ahriman  Wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone noticed the lack of a millenial kingdom before Gog/Magog is called into action.

Revelation Chapter 20.

you have your order backwards, the Gog war precedes the millenial kingdom which will be on the earth

the Gog war (armageddon) will be first, then the european war (when Rome points at Christ and calls him the antichrist and europe rejects him) will happen but be over pretty instantaneously when Rome is destroyed

and then Jesus and his merry saints will go about setting up the political kingdom here on earth

at the end of the thousand years, there will be some "rebellion" ---a few will think they can do better but it will be over shortly

then the 2nd resurrection (for those who lived a mortal life in the thousand years)

and sin (the devil, the dragon) will be finished

God will be ALL and IN ALL

I'm wondering if anyone noticed the lack of a millenial kingdom before Gog/Magog is called into action.

Revelation Chapter 20.

Ahriman  Wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone noticed the lack of a millenial kingdom before Gog/Magog is called into action.

Revelation Chapter 20.

Yes, good point. In fact a careful study shows that Gog-Magog is a war that sets up a global religion/government where the beast and false prophet, with a federation of ten nations, assert absolute control over the earth.
But why read the bible when the local temple or church can provide your complete indoctrination.?

LysaStrata  Wrote:

If you believe the Bible, you would believe it is God's will and the coming war inevitable.

What kind of God wishes death, destruction and war on people?

What kind of God would tell Christians to stand down and not confront evil because it is his will that evil happen? Then those misguided Christians not only stand down and stick their head's up their ass in denial but actually try to help evil along so they can go to heaven faster. That would make Christians an accessory to murder and global destruction.

Not the kind of God I want or would ever follow.

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LoP Guest  Wrote:

LysaStrata  Wrote:

If you believe the Bible, you would believe it is God's will and the coming war inevitable.

What kind of God wishes death, destruction and war on people?

What kind of God would tell Christians to stand down and not confront evil because it is his will that evil happen? Then those misguided Christians not only stand down and stick their head's up their ass in denial but actually try to help evil along so they can go to heaven faster. That would make Christians an accessory to murder and global destruction.

Not the kind of God I want or would ever follow.

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If there is free will, and a God that ordained it, then everyone will be responsible for their actions.
If not, then everyone will be responsible for their actions.

NutzMcTaffy  Wrote:

LysaStrata  Wrote:

If you believe the Bible, you would believe it is God's will and the coming war inevitable.

Very True!!!!!!!

Which also means that before this war breaks and shit hits the fans, all believers in Jesus will be raptured....

it would be nice to open my eyes ( if we still have eyes ) and be instantly in heaven.. real soon...

....
Please friends... I won't squeeze you to death with my faith... but I will reach for you if you fall because I want to see all of you in heaven.. yes even you Sir Richard LoL..

I will never tell you what to believe or how to act... as we are all intelligent and can make our own choices .. God gave us free will to choose whatever path suits us..... My Path is Following the Lord Jesus Chirst....

Pre or mid tribulation rapture is not biblical, it is a myth started by churches and religion to gain control of blind believers. Hope you will read the words of Christ in the bible and find where he states that he will rapture all (or any) persons before, at midpoint or during any tribulation. If you can't find it then why believe it?

Search Revelation also, its not there. What is there is descriptions of persecutions, suffering, and tribulations of believers and saints.

If you want a verse by verse analysis there is a decent one here:
http://antipasministries.com/newantipasp...pter7a.htm

LysaStrata  Wrote:

Ahriman  Wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone noticed the lack of a millenial kingdom before Gog/Magog is called into action.

Revelation Chapter 20.

you have your order backwards, the Gog war precedes the millenial kingdom which will be on the earth

the Gog war (armageddon) will be first, then the european war (when Rome points at Christ and calls him the antichrist and europe rejects him) will happen but be over pretty instantaneously when Rome is destroyed

and then Jesus and his merry saints will go about setting up the political kingdom here on earth

at the end of the thousand years, there will be some "rebellion" ---a few will think they can do better but it will be over shortly

then the 2nd resurrection (for those who lived a mortal life in the thousand years)

and sin (the devil, the dragon) will be finished

God will be ALL and IN ALL

blah blah millenial kingdom blah blah...

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Ahriman  Wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone noticed the lack of a millenial kingdom before Gog/Magog is called into action.

Revelation Chapter 20.

you have your order backwards, the Gog war precedes the millenial kingdom which will be on the earth

the Gog war (armageddon) will be first, then the european war (when Rome points at Christ and calls him the antichrist and europe rejects him) will happen but be over pretty instantaneously when Rome is destroyed

and then Jesus and his merry saints will go about setting up the political kingdom here on earth

at the end of the thousand years, there will be some "rebellion" ---a few will think they can do better but it will be over shortly

then the 2nd resurrection (for those who lived a mortal life in the thousand years)

and sin (the devil, the dragon) will be finished

God will be ALL and IN ALL

NutzMcTaffy  Wrote:

LysaStrata  Wrote:

If you believe the Bible, you would believe it is God's will and the coming war inevitable.

Very True!!!!!!!

Which also means that before this war breaks and shit hits the fans, all believers in Jesus will be raptured....

Wrong, sorry.

Ahriman  Wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone noticed the lack of a millenial kingdom before Gog/Magog is called into action.

Revelation Chapter 20.

Yes, good point. In fact a careful study shows that Gog-Magog is a war that sets up a global religion/government where the beast and false prophet, with a federation of ten nations, assert absolute control over the earth.
But why read the bible when the local temple or church can provide your complete indoctrination.?

LysaStrata  Wrote:

Ahriman  Wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone noticed the lack of a millenial kingdom before Gog/Magog is called into action.

Revelation Chapter 20.

you have your order backwards, the Gog war precedes the millenial kingdom which will be on the earth

the Gog war (armageddon) will be first, then the european war (when Rome points at Christ and calls him the antichrist and europe rejects him) will happen but be over pretty instantaneously when Rome is destroyed

and then Jesus and his merry saints will go about setting up the political kingdom here on earth

at the end of the thousand years, there will be some "rebellion" ---a few will think they can do better but it will be over shortly

then the 2nd resurrection (for those who lived a mortal life in the thousand years)

and sin (the devil, the dragon) will be finished

God will be ALL and IN ALL

There are clear biblical separations between the Gog-Magog war and Armageddon.

Ahriman  Wrote:

LysaStrata  Wrote:

you have your order backwards, the Gog war precedes the millenial kingdom which will be on the earth

the Gog war (armageddon) will be first, then the european war (when Rome points at Christ and calls him the antichrist and europe rejects him) will happen but be over pretty instantaneously when Rome is destroyed

and then Jesus and his merry saints will go about setting up the political kingdom here on earth

at the end of the thousand years, there will be some "rebellion" ---a few will think they can do better but it will be over shortly

then the 2nd resurrection (for those who lived a mortal life in the thousand years)

and sin (the devil, the dragon) will be finished

God will be ALL and IN ALL

blah blah millenial kingdom blah blah...

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

this is a redux not the original Gog war which is Armageddon

Revelations is poetic and metaphoric and also NOT to be looked at unless you have mastered the OT

LysaStrata  Wrote:

Ahriman  Wrote:

blah blah millenial kingdom blah blah...

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

this is a redux not the original Gog war which is Armageddon

Revelations is poetic and metaphoric and also NOT to be looked at unless you have mastered the OT

Then you'll have to qualify what a 'undefended land of unwalled villages living in peace' is from Ezekiel 38 then cause I ain't gettin' it.

Johntaraz  Wrote:

NutzMcTaffy  Wrote:

Very True!!!!!!!

Which also means that before this war breaks and shit hits the fans, all believers in Jesus will be raptured....

it would be nice to open my eyes ( if we still have eyes ) and be instantly in heaven.. real soon...

....
Please friends... I won't squeeze you to death with my faith... but I will reach for you if you fall because I want to see all of you in heaven.. yes even you Sir Richard LoL..

I will never tell you what to believe or how to act... as we are all intelligent and can make our own choices .. God gave us free will to choose whatever path suits us..... My Path is Following the Lord Jesus Chirst....

Pre or mid tribulation rapture is not biblical, it is a myth started by churches and religion to gain control of blind believers. Hope you will read the words of Christ in the bible and find where he states that he will rapture all (or any) persons before, at midpoint or during any tribulation. If you can't find it then why believe it?

Search Revelation also, its not there. What is there is descriptions of persecutions, suffering, and tribulations of believers and saints.

If you want a verse by verse analysis there is a decent one here:
http://antipasministries.com/newantipasp...pter7a.htm

I am aware of that.... I just believe he will... I just don't believe God would let his followers.. who have followed him all along suffer with everyone who turned from him... ... It's more of me having faith he will rescue me ...

but as I said before I will not throw mud and you or judge you because you believe different.... it's not my place... but I do want you to know... regardless of you faith... I am a friend...

be safe