Johntaraz  Wrote:

LysaStrata  Wrote:

you have your order backwards, the Gog war precedes the millenial kingdom which will be on the earth

the Gog war (armageddon) will be first, then the european war (when Rome points at Christ and calls him the antichrist and europe rejects him) will happen but be over pretty instantaneously when Rome is destroyed

and then Jesus and his merry saints will go about setting up the political kingdom here on earth

at the end of the thousand years, there will be some "rebellion" ---a few will think they can do better but it will be over shortly

then the 2nd resurrection (for those who lived a mortal life in the thousand years)

and sin (the devil, the dragon) will be finished

God will be ALL and IN ALL

There are clear biblical separations between the Gog-Magog war and Armageddon.

Please point them out

Chapter and verse please?

Johntaraz  Wrote:

NutzMcTaffy  Wrote:

Very True!!!!!!!

Which also means that before this war breaks and shit hits the fans, all believers in Jesus will be raptured....

it would be nice to open my eyes ( if we still have eyes ) and be instantly in heaven.. real soon...

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Please friends... I won't squeeze you to death with my faith... but I will reach for you if you fall because I want to see all of you in heaven.. yes even you Sir Richard LoL..

I will never tell you what to believe or how to act... as we are all intelligent and can make our own choices .. God gave us free will to choose whatever path suits us..... My Path is Following the Lord Jesus Chirst....

Pre or mid tribulation rapture is not biblical, it is a myth started by churches and religion to gain control of blind believers. Hope you will read the words of Christ in the bible and find where he states that he will rapture all (or any) persons before, at midpoint or during any tribulation. If you can't find it then why believe it?

Search Revelation also, its not there. What is there is descriptions of persecutions, suffering, and tribulations of believers and saints.

If you want a verse by verse analysis there is a decent one here:
http://antipasministries.com/newantipasp...pter7a.htm

I am aware of that.... I just believe he will... I just don't believe God would let his followers.. who have followed him all along suffer with everyone who turned from him... ... It's more of me having faith he will rescue me ...

Quote:Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

but as I said before I will not throw mud and you or judge you because you believe different

Ahriman  Wrote:

LysaStrata  Wrote:

this is a redux not the original Gog war which is Armageddon

Revelations is poetic and metaphoric and also NOT to be looked at unless you have mastered the OT

Then you'll have to qualify what a 'undefended land of unwalled villages living in peace' is from Ezekiel 38 then cause I ain't gettin' it.

betach is the Hebrew word ("dwell safely") and appears 3 times I think

it lets you know that this takes place after the return of the Messiah

He will not be known or seen by the world but he will be in the land at the time of the invasion as he will be in the midst of judgment

but that opens a whole new can of worms for believers of the apostate version

NutzMcTaffy  Wrote:

Johntaraz  Wrote:

Pre or mid tribulation rapture is not biblical, it is a myth started by churches and religion to gain control of blind believers. Hope you will read the words of Christ in the bible and find where he states that he will rapture all (or any) persons before, at midpoint or during any tribulation. If you can't find it then why believe it?

Search Revelation also, its not there. What is there is descriptions of persecutions, suffering, and tribulations of believers and saints.

If you want a verse by verse analysis there is a decent one here:
http://antipasministries.com/newantipasp...pter7a.htm

I am aware of that.... I just believe he will... I just don't believe God would let his followers.. who have followed him all along suffer with everyone who turned from him... ... It's more of me having faith he will rescue me ...

but as I said before I will not throw mud and you or judge you because you believe different.... it's not my place... but I do want you to know... regardless of you faith... I am a friend...

be safe

All is well, but I try to find the truth as best I can and must assert when it seems to suffer.

I think the misconceptions are based on the dogma. If God is good, why does he allow good people to suffer? The job of the church is to promise the suffering will be over. But couldn't God alieve all your suffering right now, if he really loved you and was "all-good"?
My experience is more along the lines that it is how one responds to and overcomes suffering is the "all-good". That this is part of the refining by fire, and the gaining of wisdom.
Not that we will be magically transported from harm or danger, instead I believe it makes these words have their meaning in our life:
TRIBULATION: distress or suffering resulting from oppression or persecution; also: a trying experience
FAITH: confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability. Belief that is not based on proof.
SALVATION: Preservation or deliverance from destruction, difficulty, or evil.

No rapture.

If you believe the Bible, you would believe it is God's will and the coming war inevitable.

LysaStrata  Wrote:

If you believe the Bible, you would believe it is God's will and the coming war inevitable.

I think, like most predictions,given enough time between the original "prediction" and enough hindsight, anything can be predicted.

LysaStrata  Wrote:

Ahriman  Wrote:

Then you'll have to qualify what a 'undefended land of unwalled villages living in peace' is from Ezekiel 38 then cause I ain't gettin' it.

betach is the Hebrew word ("dwell safely") and appears 3 times I think

it lets you know that this takes place after the return of the Messiah

He will not be known or seen by the world but he will be in the land at the time of the invasion as he will be in the midst of judgment

but that opens a whole new can of worms for believers of the apostate version

Well right now your not gonna tell me Rothschilds Israel is in any way affilated with the messiah.... oh goodness gravy....

The whole set up to the gog/magog war is completely opposite what is happening... which would be the apostate version, the one hour of the beast to rule with the false prophet (Vatican NWO) imo. So you completely lost me again....

They are both seperate as far as I can tell having never been 'taught' what it should or shouldn't mean.

yes, the Rothschild Israel is still Israel and it counts as the prophesied restoration

Quote:The Catholic Church is Israel.

I hope that last sentence stands out for you. Here is the scripture reference to back it up. "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And whosoever shall follow this rule, peace on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God." - (Galatians 6:15-16) Here St. Paul tells his readers that in Christ neither circumcision (Jewish law) nor uncircumcision (Gentile custom) matters.

LysaStrata  Wrote:

Johntaraz  Wrote:

There are clear biblical separations between the Gog-Magog war and Armageddon.

Please point them out

Chapter and verse please?

While it would take a day to faithfully execute this request, I would point you here, because I would use most of the same verses to illustrate my interpretation.

http://antipasministries.com/newantipasp...ter15b.htm

And while I do not neccessarily agree with all the conclusions of the author, his layout of the verses and text, the correspondence with accepted translations of the text, cross references, make it very close to the conclusions I have reached in my readings and study.

LysaStrata  Wrote:

yes, the Rothschild Israel is still Israel and it counts as the prophesied restoration

http://catholicknight.blogspot.com/2011/...srael.html

Quote:The Catholic Church is Israel.

I hope that last sentence stands out for you. Here is the scripture reference to back it up. "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. And whosoever shall follow this rule, peace on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God." - (Galatians 6:15-16) Here St. Paul tells his readers that in Christ neither circumcision (Jewish law) nor uncircumcision (Gentile custom) matters.