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Go to college and get bankrupt
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RE: Go to college and get bankrupt
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11:11  Wrote: (05-17-2012 02:32 AM)
Sarah  Wrote: (05-17-2012 02:28 AM)
Holy Cow! I had no idea college professors made that kind of money! And some of them make the WORST teachers in the world!!!

They also don't have to show up for work which how assistant lecturers also get to suck off the tax payer. I knew people who went to Michigan State who got their lectures on a monitor, pre recorded.

How is it that all of these so called educated students griping about their loans don't have the brains to figure out why college costs so much?

they are more frequently associated with research for X dept for the universities which are profit pipelines

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Luvapottamus
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11:11  Wrote: (05-17-2012 02:37 AM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (05-17-2012 02:34 AM)
11:11  Wrote: (05-17-2012 02:33 AM)
True about sports, BUT .... don't sports generate revenue?

Who cares, it generates MORONS.

chuckle

Agreed. Just saying they aren't the cause of high tuition.

Well, when I was at film school at KU, we had the largest soundstage between Chicago and Dallas, and an awesome lighting grid designed by Billy Gilbert, the camera truck driver for Twister.

But we only had about a dozen lights we could hang, and our cameras were WWII army surplus.

The athletic department got millions of dollars in new cameras all the time, and their lighting budget of course was immense, just for stadium lights.

It wasn't a profit center. It sucked up all the Alumni donations.

The film department wasn't a profit center either, but what a waste of facility by underfunding it.

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Nationalize monetary policy at the FED, reinstate Greenbacks.
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Post: #33
RE: Go to college and get bankrupt
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-17-2012 02:50 AM)
11:11  Wrote: (05-17-2012 02:32 AM)
Sarah  Wrote: (05-17-2012 02:28 AM)
Holy Cow! I had no idea college professors made that kind of money! And some of them make the WORST teachers in the world!!!

They also don't have to show up for work which how assistant lecturers also get to suck off the tax payer. I knew people who went to Michigan State who got their lectures on a monitor, pre recorded.

How is it that all of these so called educated students griping about their loans don't have the brains to figure out why college costs so much?

they are more frequently associated with research for X dept for the universities which are profit pipelines

See Indy Jones, teacher and researcher (grants)

Research welfare. More sucking off the tax payer tit.

I have been saddened on my many visits to universities to see young people in their teens who do not have a thought in their head that someone else has not put there. They stand before you after only 17 or 18 years on the planet and are already mindlessly parroting the system’s propaganda.

- David Icke
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Dear University Alumni Office,

I'm sorry to hear that the university's $750 million endowment has fallen in value to $500 million because of the recession and because your bank died. I'm also sorry to hear that you're dealing with declining enrollment due to the fact that middle-class families are no longer willing or able to bet their homes on a $45,000-a-year higher education for their children. I really am.

So, what I want to know is, why are you wasting money on glossy fundraising brochures full of meaningless synonyms for the word "Excellence"? And, why are you sending them to ME? Yes, I know that I got a master's degree at your fine institution, but that master's degree hasn't done jack shit for me since I got it! I have been unemployed for the past TWO YEARS and I am now a professional resume-submitter, sending out dozens of resumes a month to employers, and the degree I received in your hallowed halls is at the TOP OF IT and it doesn't do a f*cking thing.

You know, maybe if you wanted a little bit of money from me (and these days you'd get about $3) maybe you should send me a fancy color brochure admitting your role in the bubble economics that got us all in to this mess.

For example, since 1987, higher education expenses have gone up 450 percent, while personal income in this country has gone up 87 percent, making tuition IMPOSSIBLE to afford without special financing. But, during this time, you were thriving because people could come up with the cash in two ways:

1. Get a home equity loan and use the inflated value of their house to pay for their kid to get drunk and/or raped at your school and then lose the house when the market crashed.
2. Get a federal loan.

HAD IT OCCURRED TO YOU THAT NEITHER OF THESE SOURCES OF MONEY ACTUALLY EXIST? THAT IT WAS BEING MANUFACTURED BECAUSE YOU MADE PEOPLE THINK THAT ONE OF YOUR DEGREES WAS NECESSARY TO CLIMB TO THE TOP OF THE BUBBLE?

Oh yes, federal loans. I've got $40,000 of those, which are in "forebearance" right now because I'm unemployed, meaning that the feds are paying the interest for a while, which is convenient for me, but not for our government which is now owned by China. You know, the idea behind federal loans was that it would allow more students to attend your university, not let you INFLATE your tuition to obscene levels! I mean, what the f*#k were you spending the $16,000 per semester on, anyway? I was in a public policy program, so that meant we got to sit in classrooms and listen to Professor God up at the front of the lecture hall glorify Himself and Creation as He saw it and talk about how much smarter he was than anyone else and how much he'd learned at MIT and the RAND Corporation.

Really, that's about all you did for us -- gave us a lecture hall, gave us an arrogant bastard to listen to, and gave us a room full of computers we could use sometimes, and you gave us a degree that employers look at and say "This guy knows how to write reports. Amusing." And I will be paying for this privilege until I am 51 years old.

So I'm sorry that the economy's been rough on you. Maybe, if you wanted to save a little money, you could stop printing and sending brochures to my parents' house (oh yeah, that's where I live because I can't afford rent on ANYTHING). And, maybe I'll donate a little bit of money to you in 2030, when I get the loans for your imaginary education PAID OFF!

Sincerely yours,
Alumnus

Location: Seattle, WA
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05-17-2012 04:18 AM

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Post: #35
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Federal $$$ (in the form of student loans) > university (i.e., government) employees = lobbying group ('educators') for the party. It's a redistribution of wealth scam. How's it feel to pay on that huge loan so university faculty can live large?

I have been saddened on my many visits to universities to see young people in their teens who do not have a thought in their head that someone else has not put there. They stand before you after only 17 or 18 years on the planet and are already mindlessly parroting the system’s propaganda.

- David Icke
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RE: Go to college and get bankrupt
LoP Guest  Wrote: (05-17-2012 03:00 AM)
from the best of craigs list http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sea...90174.html




Dear University Alumni Office,

I'm sorry to hear that the university's $750 million endowment has fallen in value to $500 million because of the recession and because your bank died. I'm also sorry to hear that you're dealing with declining enrollment due to the fact that middle-class families are no longer willing or able to bet their homes on a $45,000-a-year higher education for their children. I really am.

So, what I want to know is, why are you wasting money on glossy fundraising brochures full of meaningless synonyms for the word "Excellence"? And, why are you sending them to ME? Yes, I know that I got a master's degree at your fine institution, but that master's degree hasn't done jack shit for me since I got it! I have been unemployed for the past TWO YEARS and I am now a professional resume-submitter, sending out dozens of resumes a month to employers, and the degree I received in your hallowed halls is at the TOP OF IT and it doesn't do a f*cking thing.

You know, maybe if you wanted a little bit of money from me (and these days you'd get about $3) maybe you should send me a fancy color brochure admitting your role in the bubble economics that got us all in to this mess.

For example, since 1987, higher education expenses have gone up 450 percent, while personal income in this country has gone up 87 percent, making tuition IMPOSSIBLE to afford without special financing. But, during this time, you were thriving because people could come up with the cash in two ways:

1. Get a home equity loan and use the inflated value of their house to pay for their kid to get drunk and/or raped at your school and then lose the house when the market crashed.
2. Get a federal loan.

HAD IT OCCURRED TO YOU THAT NEITHER OF THESE SOURCES OF MONEY ACTUALLY EXIST? THAT IT WAS BEING MANUFACTURED BECAUSE YOU MADE PEOPLE THINK THAT ONE OF YOUR DEGREES WAS NECESSARY TO CLIMB TO THE TOP OF THE BUBBLE?

Oh yes, federal loans. I've got $40,000 of those, which are in "forebearance" right now because I'm unemployed, meaning that the feds are paying the interest for a while, which is convenient for me, but not for our government which is now owned by China. You know, the idea behind federal loans was that it would allow more students to attend your university, not let you INFLATE your tuition to obscene levels! I mean, what the f*#k were you spending the $16,000 per semester on, anyway? I was in a public policy program, so that meant we got to sit in classrooms and listen to Professor God up at the front of the lecture hall glorify Himself and Creation as He saw it and talk about how much smarter he was than anyone else and how much he'd learned at MIT and the RAND Corporation.

Really, that's about all you did for us -- gave us a lecture hall, gave us an arrogant bastard to listen to, and gave us a room full of computers we could use sometimes, and you gave us a degree that employers look at and say "This guy knows how to write reports. Amusing." And I will be paying for this privilege until I am 51 years old.

So I'm sorry that the economy's been rough on you. Maybe, if you wanted to save a little money, you could stop printing and sending brochures to my parents' house (oh yeah, that's where I live because I can't afford rent on ANYTHING). And, maybe I'll donate a little bit of money to you in 2030, when I get the loans for your imaginary education PAID OFF!

Sincerely yours,
Alumnus

Location: Seattle, WA
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests

To top this off, we have a bunch of people with degrees who contribute nothing to society when we need plumbers, lol.

I have been saddened on my many visits to universities to see young people in their teens who do not have a thought in their head that someone else has not put there. They stand before you after only 17 or 18 years on the planet and are already mindlessly parroting the system’s propaganda.

- David Icke
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11:11  Wrote: (05-17-2012 04:18 AM)
Federal $$$ (in the form of student loans) > university (i.e., government) employees = lobbying group ('educators') for the party. It's a redistribution of wealth scam. How's it feel to pay on that huge loan so university faculty can live large?

Student loans are a good thing.

If it's regulated.

I shouldn't have been eligible for one for a Bachelor of General Studies in Film.

Lmao

I didn't take any for that, the ones I did take was when I was a Chemistry major.

That's a valid one.

And price controls for universities.

I had a friend who was f**ked out of his degree because the student financial aid office kept cutting his credit at the same time the university was raising his tuition.

By Junior they refused to loan him enough to attend.

He didn't change majors, they f**ked HIM OVER COMPLETELY.

And he was teaching classes as an undergrad.

Student loan guarantees aren't redistribution of wealth.

This poorly designed, poorly regulated system is.

I took out my $1700 worth of loans, which was all I could qualify for, and THEN they announced that absences would automatically lower my grade. I worked nights making up the gaps, and missed few classes. f**ked up my GPA.

They shouldn't be allowed to change policies like that.

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Nationalize monetary policy at the FED, reinstate Greenbacks.
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Post: #38
RE: Go to college and get bankrupt
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (05-17-2012 04:40 AM)
11:11  Wrote: (05-17-2012 04:18 AM)
Federal $$$ (in the form of student loans) > university (i.e., government) employees = lobbying group ('educators') for the party. It's a redistribution of wealth scam. How's it feel to pay on that huge loan so university faculty can live large?

Student loans are a good thing.

If it's regulated.

I shouldn't have been eligible for one for a Bachelor of General Studies in Film.

Lmao

I didn't take any for that, the ones I did take was when I was a Chemistry major.

That's a valid one.

And price controls for universities.

I had a friend who was f**ked out of his degree because the student financial aid office kept cutting his credit at the same time the university was raising his tuition.

By Junior they refused to loan him enough to attend.

He didn't change majors, they f**ked HIM OVER COMPLETELY.

And he was teaching classes as an undergrad.

Student loan guarantees aren't redistribution of wealth.

This poorly designed, poorly regulated system is.

I took out my $1700 worth of loans, which was all I could qualify for, and THEN they announced that absences would automatically lower my grade. I worked nights making up the gaps, and missed few classes. f**ked up my GPA.

They shouldn't be allowed to change policies like that.

You missed my point, Luv. A student loan that doesn't support bloated faculty salaries and benefits is fine. However, that isn't the case. People are complaining about the outrageous cost of college and the subsequent debt and I just showed you the reason why the tuition debt is so damn high. Loans aren't the problem, in and of themselves. In the current situation, they ARE being used as redistribution of wealth to an entrenched and powerful class and it's destroying higher education.

I have been saddened on my many visits to universities to see young people in their teens who do not have a thought in their head that someone else has not put there. They stand before you after only 17 or 18 years on the planet and are already mindlessly parroting the system’s propaganda.

- David Icke
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Post: #39
RE: Go to college and get bankrupt
11:11  Wrote: (05-17-2012 08:18 AM)
Luvapottamus  Wrote: (05-17-2012 04:40 AM)
11:11  Wrote: (05-17-2012 04:18 AM)
Federal $$$ (in the form of student loans) > university (i.e., government) employees = lobbying group ('educators') for the party. It's a redistribution of wealth scam. How's it feel to pay on that huge loan so university faculty can live large?

Student loans are a good thing.

If it's regulated.

I shouldn't have been eligible for one for a Bachelor of General Studies in Film.

Lmao

I didn't take any for that, the ones I did take was when I was a Chemistry major.

That's a valid one.

And price controls for universities.

I had a friend who was f**ked out of his degree because the student financial aid office kept cutting his credit at the same time the university was raising his tuition.

By Junior they refused to loan him enough to attend.

He didn't change majors, they f**ked HIM OVER COMPLETELY.

And he was teaching classes as an undergrad.

Student loan guarantees aren't redistribution of wealth.

This poorly designed, poorly regulated system is.

I took out my $1700 worth of loans, which was all I could qualify for, and THEN they announced that absences would automatically lower my grade. I worked nights making up the gaps, and missed few classes. f**ked up my GPA.

They shouldn't be allowed to change policies like that.

You missed my point, Luv. A student loan that doesn't support bloated faculty salaries and benefits is fine. However, that isn't the case. People are complaining about the outrageous cost of college and the subsequent debt and I just showed you the reason why the tuition debt is so damn high. Loans aren't the problem, in and of themselves. In the current situation, they ARE being used as redistribution of wealth to an entrenched and powerful class and it's destroying higher education.

We don't disagree on that.

How to deal with it is a challenge.
(and a pretty futile one with a traitor congress)

And we should change the culture a little bit too. Right out of high school isn't the ideal time to go to college IMO.

Some college maybe one class DURING high school would be a good idea, and spreading out college with elective coursework I think is more suitable than going full time for a lot of people.

More vocational training in high school, solid skills, not service jobs.

Tulsa has a really great Vo-tech system, and I wish I had taken advantage of it instead of becoming disgusted with the weak academics and dropping out. But there was a stigma to it.

So I learned all of my automotive skills by myself and on the job. It took a while to get competent.

There is no such thing as sovereign debt. Nationalize monetary policy at the FED, reinstate Greenbacks.
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Thats Capitalism for you. the 'Free market' that is NOT free. It's a friendly name only to allow the rich to get richer and make money off of absolutely everything they can.

Education is a RIGHT. NOT a privilege. And it should be for FREE.
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Zero Point  Wrote: (05-17-2012 01:39 AM)
Dial-up  Wrote: (05-17-2012 01:34 AM)
Zero Point  Wrote: (05-17-2012 01:29 AM)
You can even get educated for free if you like.
No-one takes attendance at lectures or anything.
I've been to some good ones.

Exactly, when I was attending Indiana University, we use to have a lot of people auditing the classes and even taking the tests for the heck of it. Afterwards, if the persons, who were auditing the class, liked the professor and class, then they would enroll in the class.

Jhikpghf People put too much focus on the paperwork.
If you're interested there are lots of cool things you can learn.
I don't really get time like I used to, but would love to attend some law or even physics lectures.

If the lecture hall were big enough, a person could proabably attend the whole semester and not get caught! I might have to try that....
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Betty F. Crocker  Wrote: (05-17-2012 08:32 AM)
Zero Point  Wrote: (05-17-2012 01:39 AM)
Dial-up  Wrote: (05-17-2012 01:34 AM)
Exactly, when I was attending Indiana University, we use to have a lot of people auditing the classes and even taking the tests for the heck of it. Afterwards, if the persons, who were auditing the class, liked the professor and class, then they would enroll in the class.

Jhikpghf People put too much focus on the paperwork.
If you're interested there are lots of cool things you can learn.
I don't really get time like I used to, but would love to attend some law or even physics lectures.

If the lecture hall were big enough, a person could proabably attend the whole semester and not get caught! I might have to try that....

It's kind of fun stealing education! Lmao
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RE: Go to college and get bankrupt
Zero Point  Wrote: (05-17-2012 08:42 AM)
Betty F. Crocker  Wrote: (05-17-2012 08:32 AM)
Zero Point  Wrote: (05-17-2012 01:39 AM)
Jhikpghf People put too much focus on the paperwork.
If you're interested there are lots of cool things you can learn.
I don't really get time like I used to, but would love to attend some law or even physics lectures.

If the lecture hall were big enough, a person could proabably attend the whole semester and not get caught! I might have to try that....

It's kind of fun stealing education! Lmao

Interesting legal question: Could they legally charge you with theft if they caught you? Or just trespassing or something? chuckle
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Betty F. Crocker  Wrote: (05-17-2012 08:56 AM)
Zero Point  Wrote: (05-17-2012 08:42 AM)
Betty F. Crocker  Wrote: (05-17-2012 08:32 AM)
If the lecture hall were big enough, a person could proabably attend the whole semester and not get caught! I might have to try that....

It's kind of fun stealing education! Lmao

Interesting legal question: Could they legally charge you with theft if they caught you? Or just trespassing or something? chuckle

Just don't get caught Betty!
You might get renditioned doomed
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Betty F. Crocker  Wrote: (05-17-2012 08:56 AM)
Zero Point  Wrote: (05-17-2012 08:42 AM)
Betty F. Crocker  Wrote: (05-17-2012 08:32 AM)
If the lecture hall were big enough, a person could proabably attend the whole semester and not get caught! I might have to try that....

It's kind of fun stealing education! Lmao

Interesting legal question: Could they legally charge you with theft if they caught you? Or just trespassing or something? chuckle

chuckle

Just blend, Betty.

Mumble something in farsi, or Greek or something if they ask you questions.

chuckle

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