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Devout Agnostic Wrote:

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:
Devout Agnostic Wrote:
Some points:

Isn't this a discussion about whether or not YHVH is GOD? As such, is "YES HE IS" a valid argument?

Doesnt Romans 13 make it very clear that all ruling authorities are YHVH's agents? So why are you questioning god's will in matters of depopulation?

I did look at the world through YHVH's eyes, for the first years of my life, until I decided that if man is made in gods image, then YHVH is not my god.

It is true that the bible contains stories of sin, evil, and death. But it also includes the overarching story of love and grace. It shows us a God who asks us to not criticize him about his acts of justice God acts in his righteousness the world discovers that consequences exist for evil behavior which is what Isaiah said "At night my soul longs for You, Indeed, my spirit within me seeks You diligently; for when the earth experiences Your judgments the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness" Isaiah 26:9

And still, nobody wants to touch Romans 13. Christian conspiracy theorists never do.

I say the Illuminati are YHVH's agents. Prove me wrong with the bible.

whats the question about romans13?

**The Lucky AC** Everything in life is luck User ID: 888 08-19-2012 02:17 AM

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:

Devout Agnostic Wrote:
KlLLUMINATI Wrote:
God has spoken to us through Christ his word is found in the bible so if the illuminati even exist then they're reading the same bible we do. A lot of people have used the bible to further an agenda by ignorance or by misunderstanding in any case its not what it is meant for.

Well then, if there is no depopulation, then we'll know it wasnt god's will!

The world population is rising thats why China has a law that you can have 1 child.

That is not the law in china at all. The law is if you have more than one child you will not receive Government support. The rich have many children while the poor do not.

The Bible is highly edited, connect with God and you need no book as guidance.

When did you make that connection?
How many people have you helped and healed since that time?

**stanfiem** · (This post was last modified: 08-19-2012 02:41 AM by stanfiem.)

Devout Agnostic Wrote:

stanfiem Wrote:
Devout Agnostic Wrote:
So when YHVH depopulates, its fine, but when the Illuminati do it, its evil? How do you know they're not working for him? Romans 13:6

It is not unjust for him to "depopulate" because he created you in the first place. You are his creation therefore he can do what ever he wants with HIS world, It is not the "illuminatis" world it is HIS.

I say to him all the time that If I am going against his will and causing him trouble then take me out, because I know that it is his creation and he is free to do with it what he wants.

You should stop looking at the world through the eyes of this world and try to look at it from his perspective. You may be surprised at what he shows you. But don't take my word for it take his word.

Some points:

Isn't this a discussion about whether or not YHVH is GOD? As such, is "YES-HE-IS" a valid argument?

Doesnt Romans 13 make it very clear that all ruling authorities are YHVH's agents? So why are you questioning his will in matters of depopulation?

I did look at the world through YHVH's eyes, for the first years of my life, until I decided that if man is made in gods image, then YHVH is not my god.

I'm not the one questioning his sanity or the way he does things, and saying he is an idiot for doing things the way he does, you are. This does not mean that we should not ask these questions. It just means that we need to ask him and trust the answer he gives us.

The question you ask has been on my mind for the last year or so and at first it was upsetting.

The people in charge are being run by satan yes? They do his bidding. But if you read Job it is very clear that satan is not allowed to hurt anyone unless God first allows him. This does NOT mean God delights in destruction. What he does delight in is His children's desire to not Hold on to things of the flesh but to turn to him. Notice how Job's friends keep telling Job "stop sinning you are being hurt because of your sins" His friends were wrong and God is pretty clear on this if you read Job. This is a perfect example of Christians and what you are tyring to get me to say. I am not saying these people are running amuck because they were bad. I am saying it is for His glory and his glory alone that he is allowed to "TRY" to harm the most sacred part of job, his soul.

Therefore he is not the one doing the bidding. You may look at this and say, "so...satan is just the strong arm of god?" It is much more complicated than that and should not be viewed this way. God is very clear that EVERTYING is created to glorify the creator. It is only when you accept this can you start to understand the deep things of Christ. I just have faith that he is in control. THIS IS NOT ME CONDONING THE ACTIONS OF THESE EVIL PEOPLE, Nor am I condeming them for their actions. I am no better than the next person, If I was given the things that these people it would be tough for me not to be a blood thristy lover of money, I know that because of his spirit I am not

I know you will only try to spin my words and make them into something they are not. By saying that It is unjust for him to kill and unjust for him to let him (satan) do these things but who are you to council God in his ways. He is way more in control than anyone can imagine. I know that Once we are able to see the eyes with out our flesh decieving us will we truly understand. It says in the bible that once we are In heaven No man will ask anything, No one will even think to say what about this God, because once we gain that community all of us desire the most will we truly understand, and i can not WAIT for that day.

**HardTruth**

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:

Devout Agnostic Wrote:
KlLLUMINATI Wrote:
spiteful and malevolent

Have you even read the bible?

Can you give me examples is all I ask?

Leviticus

16: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
17: Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
18: For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
19: Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20: Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

chuckle

**Devout Agnostic**

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:

Devout Agnostic Wrote:
And still, nobody wants to touch Romans 13. Christian conspiracy theorists never do.

I say the Illuminati are YHVH's agents. Prove me wrong with the bible.

whats the question about romans13?

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

The Illuminati are governing authorities. Therefore, the Illuminati are GOD's servants.

**Devout Agnostic**

stanfiem Wrote:

I'm not the one questioning him you are.

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HardTruth Wrote:

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:
Devout Agnostic Wrote:
Have you even read the bible?

Can you give me examples is all I ask?

Leviticus

16: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
17: Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
18: For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
19: Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20: Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

Context is key you cant pluck verses out now either you're playing dumb or you're ignorant of the meaning. God spoke to moses after the death of the sons of aaron.

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~ · (This post was last modified: 08-19-2012 02:36 AM by I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ.)

Devout Agnostic Wrote:

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:
Devout Agnostic Wrote:
And still, nobody wants to touch Romans 13. Christian conspiracy theorists never do.

I say the Illuminati are YHVH's agents. Prove me wrong with the bible.

whats the question about romans13?

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

The Illuminati are governing authorities. Therefore, the Illuminati are GOD's servants.

We are to obey governments unless they violate scripture. Acts 5:29 says "We must obey God rather than men" whenever our government violates biblical teaching we are obligated to disobey them. Our government is run by people and can become corrupt. The bible never tells us to obey governments in contradiction to the bible.

**HardTruth**

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:

HardTruth Wrote:
KlLLUMINATI Wrote:
Can you give me examples is all I ask?

Leviticus

16: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
17: Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
18: For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
19: Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20: Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

Context is key you cant pluck verses out now either you're playing dumb or you're ignorant of the meaning. God spoke to moses after the death of the sons of aaron.

It is in context you ignorant wretch, Yahweh hated the handicapped!!

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**Devout Agnostic**

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:

Devout Agnostic Wrote:
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

The Illuminati are governing authorities. Therefore, the Illuminati are GOD's servants.

We are to obey governments unless they violate scripture. Acts 5:29 says "We must obey God rather than men" whenever our government violates biblical teaching we are obligated to disobey them. Our government is run by people and can become corrupt. The bible never tells us to obey governments in contradiction to the bible.

Which scriptures have the Illuminati violated?

~~I┴∀NIW∩˥˥Iʞ~~

Devout Agnostic Wrote:

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:
Devout Agnostic Wrote:
1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

The Illuminati are governing authorities. Therefore, the Illuminati are GOD's servants.

We are to obey governments unless they violate scripture. Acts 5:29 says "We must obey God rather than men" whenever our government violates biblical teaching we are obligated to disobey them. Our government is run by people and can become corrupt. The bible never tells us to obey governments in contradiction to the bible.

Which scriptures have the Illuminati violated?

I dont think that there is an illuminati and besides thats a red herring

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HardTruth Wrote:

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:
HardTruth Wrote:
Leviticus

16: And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
17: Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
18: For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
19: Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
20: Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;

Context is key you cant pluck verses out now either you're playing dumb or you're ignorant of the meaning. God spoke to moses after the death of the sons of aaron.

It is in context you ignorant wretch, Yahweh hated the handicapped!!

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ok you win

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 08-19-2012 02:41 AM

When you are a creative entity, you are not the Creator of yourself. What can create you, can take you out.

Just like Data in Star Trek.. switched, disassembled, put on the shelf, maybe at some future time, put back together, and turned back on.

Go ahead fight your Creator. It's a loosing proposition.

Unless of course you created yourself out of nothing.

Pi Infinity User ID: 3.14159265 08-19-2012 02:46 AM

Pi Wrote:

When you are a creative entity, you are not the Creator of yourself. What can create you, can take you out.

Just like Data in Star Trek.. switched, disassembled, put on the shelf, maybe at some future time, put back together, and turned back on.

Go ahead fight your Creator. It's a loosing proposition.

Unless of course you created yourself out of nothing.

Psychobabble.

**Devout Agnostic**

KlLLUMINATI Wrote:

Devout Agnostic Wrote:
KlLLUMINATI Wrote:
We are to obey governments unless they violate scripture. Acts 5:29 says "We must obey God rather than men" whenever our government violates biblical teaching we are obligated to disobey them. Our government is run by people and can become corrupt. The bible never tells us to obey governments in contradiction to the bible.

Which scriptures have the Illuminati violated?

I dont think that there is an illuminati and besides thats a red herring

Ok, well have you checked your username lately? Because people might get the wrong idea.

But which scriptures have the ruling authorities violated?