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Greek election - Exit Polls and Real Time Tracker
Psychonaut
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Ozymandias  Wrote: (06-17-2012 07:31 PM)
Psychonaut  Wrote: (06-17-2012 07:18 PM)
Ozymandias  Wrote: (06-17-2012 07:12 PM)
I'll take the 10:1 that the lucky folk's will blatantly steal the election and the Greeks will go apeshit. Hell, we're malcontent conspiracy theorists after all.

If they haven't gone apeshit by now, they won't until the outcome is completely irrelevant from the global perspective.

Imho, the straw that finally breaks the Ponzi's back won't come from a political play...it will come from a bond market play.......

And when that occurs, very few people on earth outside of Greece will give a hoot about what's going on with Greek politics....they will have their own pressing problems closer to home.....chuckle

But, they've been going apeshit twice a year over "austerity". They're as good at it as the British are soccer rioting.

Yeah, the bond vigilantes have been sleeping. Do you suppose they are tied up by the global liquidity machine?

They've been laughing their merry way down the yellow brick road while putting the finishing touches on their subterranean bungalows with submarine access to the tune of "Everything Counts in Large Amounts". They've been calling the shots all aong.

They well know the supreme mathematical idiocy of Dieter loaning to Jacque who loans to Giovanni who loans to Rafael who loans to Alexandros so that Alexandros can pay back Giovanni, Rafael, Jacque and Dieter ad infinitum.....

And if Edward, James and Chen think they'll be immune....well, the jokes gonna be on them too...
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mrneutron
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-17-2012 07:51 PM)
mrneutron  Wrote: (06-17-2012 07:13 PM)
Shocking: Golden Dawn has finished 3rd among young voters


The only thing that is shocking is that wall street knew the outcome on Friday... Interesting how no one noticed.

Money talks and you can bet that scare tactics were used in the media to dissuade voters against Syriza.
If the future belongs to the younger generation, you might see it all headed in the direction of violence .
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06-17-2012 08:24 PM

 



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7.02pm: More on that new poll. The Greece interior ministry has put New Democracy on 31.1% and Syriza on 25.4% after 15% of the votes counted. A caveat however - results are more likely skewed to the right because rural areas go first. Athens is likely to push this again towards the left.
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Doom canceled, for now

Admit it
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-17-2012 08:45 PM)
Doom canceled, for now

Admit it

If they vote pro euro 6% ramp on the s&p tomorrow.
If they vote anti-euro 6% ramp on the s&p tomorrow.

Challenge your programming.
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mrneutron
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Pasok Throws A Monkey Wrench Into Coalition Discussions

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/pasok-thro...iscussions

As reported in the previous post, the Greek PASOK party of former PM G-Pap may have thrown a grenade into coalition discussion, following an announcement by Katerina Diamantopoulou that Pasok will not join into a coalition government with ND unless Syriza also joins said coalition. Which Syriza stated moments ago it would not do. The question then comes whether ND can form a government (150+ seats) with any of the other remaining parties (up to and including neo-nazi New Dawn). The answer is most likely not, but not before some serious horse trading shows that the second Greek elections has achieved nothing, and the world now has to look forward to a 3rd Greek election round, some time in August, and then another, and then another, until no more assets are left to be plundered from the state which will have no head for a long time. Incidentally, just as we predicted on May 3 in "Previewing The First Of Many Greek Elections"
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-17-2012 07:51 PM)
Greek Skai Television has given its first seats prediction

James Mates @jamesmatesitv

Skai TV gives first seat projections from their exit polls: Syriza 28% 124 seats, ND, 27.5% 73 seats, Pasok 13% 33 seats. I

Initially, it looks to me that they are voting to stay with the Euro and the benefit package Germany is offering.

I mean, "Who is going to turn down free money for the next few months?"

Once they have taken the money, THEN they can quit the Euro and refuse to pay their debt. As long as a country has no ethics, THAT is not a problem. Right?

people personally hated by bammed serial spammer Joe Neubarfed = Republic Scammers = Criminals who scam the government for personal financial gain. = Traitors Murderers, Liars, Thieves!

They are Fat Cat Industrialists, Bankers and Politicians OF ANY PARTY OR NONE who've taken over our country for the practice of their religion which is the worship of money and the massive accumulation of same.
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This will crawl along until November.

“Doubt not that there is a judgment day where every foul deed and deal of death will be brought to light, and justice will be meted out to the perpetrators in a most satisfying, and eternal fashion.”
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New Democracy as winning between 29 percent of the vote, giving it approximately 127 seats in the 300-seat Parliament. That's ahead of the radical left Syriza party, which is projected to get 72 seats.

The Socialist PASOK party was projected in third with 32 seats.

New Democracy wants Greece to stay in the Eurozone.
Syriza has vowed to pull out of Greece's international bailout commitments.

people personally hated by bammed serial spammer Joe Neubarfed = Republic Scammers = Criminals who scam the government for personal financial gain. = Traitors Murderers, Liars, Thieves!

They are Fat Cat Industrialists, Bankers and Politicians OF ANY PARTY OR NONE who've taken over our country for the practice of their religion which is the worship of money and the massive accumulation of same.
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no doom for tomorrow

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The Greeks have f*cking lost it, they yet again vote to give power of their economy to Germany, great job morons. I feel like kicking them in the nuts, but it's too late now and cracking nuts never woke anyone up anyway. A sad day for Europe it is.
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The Greeks have f*cking lost it, they yet again vote to give power of their economy to Germany, great job morons. I feel like kicking them in the nuts, but it's too late now and cracking nuts never woke anyone up anyway. A sad day for Europe it is.

And they will continue in their pitiful struggle, nothing will change.

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Kill the Matrix  Wrote: (06-17-2012 09:12 PM)
This will crawl along until November.

Just long enough for the new AMERICAN puppet to be appointed.

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Foodnipple  Wrote: (06-17-2012 10:39 PM)
LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-17-2012 10:24 PM)
The Greeks have f*cking lost it, they yet again vote to give power of their economy to Germany, great job morons. I feel like kicking them in the nuts, but it's too late now and cracking nuts never woke anyone up anyway. A sad day for Europe it is.

And they will continue in their pitiful struggle, nothing will change.

It'll have to change eventually, won't it?

What I want to know is what would happen to all the euros that are in Greece if they defaulted back to the drachma? Think of it as Nebraska claiming independence, issuing their own currency, and then what happens to the dollars in Nebraska? Am I being stupid or could that be a major issue?
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mrneutron
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (06-17-2012 09:42 PM)
no doom for tomorrow

Tissue

Time to refocus on Spain.

Deutsche Bank: "The Spanish Recapitalization Is Not Working" - A Market Shock Is Required

To summarize, Europe needs some kind of shock to get liquidity flowing again in order to fix Spain's botched bailout.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/deutsche-b...k-required

This weekend, everyone's attention will be on the Greek elections, however it is Spain that has now become the "fulcrum security" of Europe. As such, events in Greece are merely a catalyst that will set off a chain of events that will have an impact not only on Spain, but on all of Europe, and thus, the world.

As we pointed out last week after the Spanish bailout announcement, based on a preliminary analysis which had been compiled by Deutsche Bank's europhiles hours before the formal announcement, and one which just happened to be a carbon-copy of what was proposed as the 'final (and failed) Spanish solution', it appears that the events in Europe are if not orchestrated by the largest German bank, then certainly receiving part-time advice.

Which is why we were somewhat disturbed to read Gilles Moec's summary this morning, which points out the patently obvious: "Spain recapitalization: it’s not working." Whether it is that Europe's brightest minds forgot about the threat of subordination (promptly reminded by Zero Hedge hours after the formal announcement), and that the scars of the Greek cramdown are still fresh in the private sector's mind, it does not matter: as DB says: "Unfortunately, the market reaction was clearly negative, with Spanish 10 year rate brushing past 7% for the first time since 1996. Two main elements probably explain the market reaction: first, the increase in public debt triggered by the recapitalization whose cost will stay on the sovereign’s balance sheet under the current rules); second the seniority attached to ESM loans, if this scheme is used as the final channel for the EU loan instead of the EFSF."

Yes, it is "unfortunate" that Spain's bailout plan was poorly planned, organized and executed. It is not unfortunate that some are still left who can do simple math and call out Europe's failed plans. Which brings us to the present, where we find that even Deutsche Bank has given up hope for interim solutions, having realized that the market will no longer accept transitory, feeble arrangements. Instead DB is now formally calling for a big bang resolution, one coming from the ECB. Here is the punchline: "ECB has room for manoeuvre, but needs political cover for a ‘big’ policy" or said otherwise, "A shock is required to get a liquidity response." In other words: Europe's only real hope for even a stop gap solution... is a wholesale market crash, not surprisingly the very same conclusion that Citi reached on May 19 when they warned that only Crossover (XO) at 1000 bps or wider could push Europe into acting...

Basically stated, anything less than a controlled market crash, one that finally gets the ECB involved with Germany's permission of course, merely pushes the market higher on nothing but hope of an intervention that said market lift makes even more improbable, as now both Citi and DB admit, which can and will lead to an uncontrolled market collapse, one from which not even the ECB will be able to extricate Europe.

In this light, will Greece simply be the start of the much overdue "controlled demolition", that will bring the ECB out of hibernation, that is paradoxically instrumental in avoiding an uncontrolled demolition, where not even the ECB will have any powers left to prevent a collapse?

Here is how Deutsche Bank sets the strawman - on the recapitalization, the market is wrong, and our advice was, well, right:

The statement by the German finance minister on Monday that he found find an ESM solution “more efficient” may have rekindled among investors the fear that the “Greek blueprint” would be replicated for Spain, with the private sector left to bear the brunt of any restructuring.

We think that the risk to Spain’s public debt sustainability, even after a EUR100bn recapitalization effort, would remain manageable under what we consider realistic assumptions on growth and interest rates (see FE Europe 8 June). Spanish public debt would remain significantly lower than in Italy and not so far above that of France, for instance.

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