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**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 90747 05-20-2012 02:53 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
bbkingdom Wrote:
Capitalism is in essence exploitation. The investors exploit the labour of others. There is a whole hierarchy where the one above is exploiting the ones below.
So now we are in crisis and have been royally f*cked by some of the investors, and when we see a systemic problem, people are looking for better ways.
It should be discussable. There are options for small government and more social policies.

Wrong.
Capitalism is Hard Work.
With the opportunity to come along and Work to earn money.
My Ideas and Inventions do not equal you getting money for free.
Get a Job.
We did.

Man your days are very short.. And I can't wait to see you crushed..

You're exemplifying the 'loser' attitude that I'm talking about. To a tee.

Total Nanny State = doomed to mediocrity

**Twatwaffle** lop guest User ID: 97549 05-20-2012 03:03 PM

Galaxy Wrote:

Socialism is nothing but creating a social safety net in case you loose your job.

Well, that's a bit of an understatement.

There are few socialist governments left in the world, the most notable being North Korea. Most have moved on from the quaint notion of the State owning and controlling the means of production, mostly because the State allocates precious resources inefficiently, provides little incentive for personal productivity and cannot fund itself over the long term.

A "social safety net" or a social program such as unemployment "insurance" is one that is funded within a capitalist economic system, as a life-support while a person is temporarily without the means to provide for him/herself.

There is a positive correlation between personal liberty and economics. A socialist government which has the power to coerce and compel an individual's actions may bring about a "worker's paradise", but this power crushes an individual's personal choices, including but not limited to, the amount of personal resources expended to become monetarily successful.

Indeed, there is much talk on this fora of a "new age" where we will not have to work in order to survive. Whether this comes to pass we can only speculate. What I do know is such a thing would cause free market systems to collapse and wither away while leaving behind relatively free people to decide their course, while a socialist economic system which exists to support the State could never allow it to happen.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 90747 05-20-2012 03:10 PM

We're already seeing a fast-paced growing mediocrity on many levels.

Students who don't want to be in school or learn. People who don't want to be literate or employed. A nation whose collective reading has woefully declined en masse. Losses in math and sciences and tech. Anti-intellectualism. Approval for anti-social behaviors. Immorality replacing basic human virtues like honesty, compassion, politeness.

**Galaxy**

Twatwaffle Wrote:

There are few socialist governments left in the world, the most notable being North Korea.

As many Americans, you mistake socialism with communism.
Many European countries have a socialist government like the new elected French president, and the Netherlands is heading to it for the coming elections.

Socialism is in the middle of the political spectrum, well at least here in Europe.
It sits between right wing and left wing.

**JBG** lop guest User ID: 12288 05-20-2012 03:19 PM

Capitalism seems to be just fine for all the socialist billionaires and Hollywood elites - it's just socialism for the masses that they are in favour of.

**Twatwaffle** lop guest User ID: 97549 05-20-2012 03:30 PM

Galaxy Wrote:

As many Americans, you mistake socialism with communism.
Many European countries have a socialist government like the new elected French president, and the Netherlands is heading to it for the coming elections.

Socialism is in the middle of the political spectrum, well at least here in Europe. It sits between right wing and left wing.

Sorry, Galaxy.

Communism attempts to create a classless social system without a State, where the means of production are commonly owned by everyone. In other words, a utopian paradise.

Just because Mr. Hollande purports to be a socialist, or represent a alleged "socialist" government does not make it so.

A socialist economic system requires that all assets and means of production be owned by the State, something even France has moved away from, to the extent it ever existed.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 96518 05-20-2012 03:31 PM

Pi Wrote:

So. When white man came to North America there were around 50 million Indians. Today there's less than 4 million.

Reparations are well in order. Other than that, I don't disagree with you.

Have you got a link for 50,000,000? That's hard to accept. How about 10mil or 15 mill? When I was in grade school, we had 147 mill and that was a lot of people. 50 mill would mean that there were indians everywhere, and not a single city.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 97556 05-20-2012 03:58 PM

Galaxy Wrote:

There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Socialism is nothing but creating a social safety net in case you loose your job.

Under a socialist gov. you pay a bit extra tax during your working life.
So if you become jobless you can say "hey gov. i payed for it, now you have to guarantee me an income"

Under a non-socialist gov. you can choose to have an insurence against becoming jobless.
So you can say "hey insurance company i have paid premium during my working life, now i have a right for a stable income"

Tell me the difference.

There is a flaw in the government model. It interacts with people at the point of a gun. That is such a violation of universal truth that it can only end badly.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 90747 05-20-2012 03:59 PM

Joining John B. Wells, the host of Red Ice Radio in Sweden, Henrick Palmgren, shared a series of conspiracy observations focused on the new world order, socialism, and the danger of centralized systems.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7AYOxqUWt4

**Gracie**

Don't be mislead by the faux left-right political paradigm to try to understand where Socialism fits in on a U.S. political spectrum. The entire spectrum of this so-called Democracy has been over the years increasingly leading us down the road to a more Socialistic nation.

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Our founding fathers created a Constitutional Republic and intended for a limited form of government. Communism, Fascism, and Socialism all lead to more government interventions and control. Using a more appropriate graph to illustrate complete government control on one side and no government control (anarchy) on the other end is the simplest way to understand what our founding fathers intended to create for our country with a Constitutional Republic. Understand how the faux left-right political ideologies and strategies are played...which will both result in complete government control.

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**I Remember Now**

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Wrong.
Capitalism is Hard Work.
With the opportunity to come along and Work to earn money.
My Ideas and Inventions do not equal you getting money for free.
Get a Job.
We did.

Man your days are very short.. And I can't wait to see you crushed..

You're exemplifying the 'loser' attitude that I'm talking about. To a tee.

Total Nanny State = doomed to mediocrity

Do you understand how HAPPY people are under that form of govt? Do you know how EDUCATED people become under those systems ? Do you understand how EMPTY their prisons are by comparison?

Our system is dependant on self sustaining morality; which, ironically, has failed. If we, as a people, reject the God idea then it's the govt's responsibility to keep us from devouring one another. And that's exactly what Socialism will do.

**Twatwaffle** lop guest User ID: 97568 05-20-2012 04:47 PM

Grace Wrote:

Our founding fathers created a Constitutional Republic and intended for a limited form of government. Communism, Fascism, and Socialism all lead to more government interventions and control. Using a more appropriate graph to illustrate complete government control on one side and no government control (anarchy) on the other end is the simplest way to understand what our founding fathers intended to create for our country with a Constitutional Republic. Understand how the faux left-right political ideologies and strategies are played...which will both result in complete government control.

Indeed there is much truthiness in this post.

The true continuum is self-governance ------> authoritarian statism.

The other paradigms are window dressing meant to serve the dialectic.

A government's ontological imperative, like any organism or organization, is to expand and grow. Unfortunately, its expansion is at the expense of personal liberty, and thus must be constrained.

**Psychonaut** lop guest User ID: 85431 05-20-2012 05:02 PM

All forms of centralized government lead to increased centralization eventually, no matter the label. Right up to the point where they consume themselves. Then after the chaos of implosion/revolution everybody makes promises to each other that they will forever be vigilant and never allow past transgressions to ever happen again....and within one human generation some group gets the bright idea to try something (new chuckle

) that has been tried and failed countless times over the eons in one form of or another- thinking "this time will be different"..... Cheer

It's all part of the cycle within the helices of time/space and the grand cosmic joke.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 55400 05-20-2012 05:05 PM

LoP Guest Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Wrong.
Capitalism is Hard Work.
With the opportunity to come along and Work to earn money.
My Ideas and Inventions do not equal you getting money for free.
Get a Job.
We did.

Man your days are very short.. And I can't wait to see you crushed..

You're exemplifying the 'loser' attitude that I'm talking about. To a tee.

Total Nanny State = doomed to mediocrity

And I don't really give a f*ck what you "think".. Piss ant.. You think you are so f*cking great do you? You have a lesson coming your way, little man..

chuckle

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 55400 05-20-2012 05:06 PM

Forgot my username Wrote:

LoP Guest Wrote:
LoP Guest Wrote:
Man your days are very short.. And I can't wait to see you crushed..

You're exemplifying the 'loser' attitude that I'm talking about. To a tee.

Total Nanny State = doomed to mediocrity

Do you understand how HAPPY people are under that form of govt? Do you know how EDUCATED people become under those systems ? Do you understand how EMPTY their prisons are by comparison?

Our system is dependant on self sustaining morality; which, ironically, has failed. If we, as a people, reject the God idea then it's the govt's responsibility to keep us from devouring one another. And that's exactly what Socialism will do.

^^THIS^^

And just to add.. It's gonna do it NOW!

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