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**FreedomStands**

Isn't joining the military when the leaders are liars and tricksters, a bad thing?

**molson**

FreedomStands Wrote:

Isn't joining the military when the leaders are liars and tricksters, a bad thing?

Not everyone realises they are being lied to, if they have been lied to, until well after the fact.

Don't lose sight of the fact that many join to further their education or simply to have a job.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 90156 04-15-2012 11:36 PM

here's how i feel about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr7ePrCAqzo

**CourtDude**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Psychosocial Wrote:
CD,
I thank you for thinking of the Veterans and what they gave for the country they "thought" they were fighting for.

I seen this photo today and it touched me very hard. We should also think of the families of the Veterans that served and did not come home.

link to image: http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphi...8B36C5.jpg

I challenge all that read this to look at this photo for about 30 seconds and think of how this woman feels right at the moment the photo was taken. Notice the man at the top right of the photo looking on at the girl. He too is touched by her and her loss.

When a Veteran dies in a war it touches more people lives than one could imagine. When a person serves in the military and become a Veteran that too changes their lives forever. More than any non Veteran could imagine.

I still haven't gotten over the Nazi veterans that gave their lives for a the greater glory of Germany. I'll be honoring the American veterans as soon as we've given enough honor and praise to the brave Nazis.

does this not say it all?

"this thread is just a statement of appreciation to the men and women

that have served in their nations armed forces,"

and no hate welcome from any on this point or guest's post!!!!!

the soldiers were all hard working honest and good people

with f*cked up national leaders

i hate none

**Vlad**

CourtDude Wrote:

this thread is just a statement of appreciation to the men and women

that have served in their nations armed forces,

and a great song, music video and a simple request:

spend quality time with an aged or disabled veteran

they have given so much

lost so much

sacrificed so much

expecting nothing in return

often inconsolate,

betrayed by their commander in chief,

misunderstood by their spouses; their homes stattered

and reviled by a world

who blames them and not the corruption of its leaders

though they served to protect the weak

from evil and oppression

he was outside my local grocer

raising money for disabled veterans

i got his organization's name from him

there are often cons in this world;

i said i needed to research his organization

as it would be a shame if i had to hunt him down

for learning he was not legitimate

and stealing from the veterans

(i gave him fair warning and put it before him!)

and as i shopped i watched a few of their vidoes

and checked other sources to determine legitimacy

they passed muster

i put every dollar in my wallet (all my cash)

into their donation bin

i went to leave

put my groceries in my car

on the radio came "miss america" by 'saving abel'

i started to tear up a little

rather than leaving

i drove my jeep and parked beside the store entrance

asked if he ever heard it

he had not

i said "it speaks to the sacrifices you have made"

so i restarted it for him

we listened to this and we smiled

we listened to this and we cried

we listened to this and i thanked him for his service

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHrmB743yvQ

dammit i'm crying again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Cv7_XcUto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgF_4VTnTSA

that's all--no debate from me

i have some shrimps to put on the grill and surprise my wife with, she has no idea!

my dearest friend flew an avro lanscaster in wwii--he died last year

This candle light needs to be bumped/reignited into oblivion.
I most of all bitter over bushes lack of support for leftovers from their wars.

**CourtDude**

LoP Guest Wrote:

Psychosocial Wrote:
CD,
I thank you for thinking of the Veterans and what they gave for the country they "thought" they were fighting for.

I seen this photo today and it touched me very hard. We should also think of the families of the Veterans that served and did not come home.

link to image: http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphi...8B36C5.jpg

I challenge all that read this to look at this photo for about 30 seconds and think of how this woman feels right at the moment the photo was taken. Notice the man at the top right of the photo looking on at the girl. He too is touched by her and her loss.

When a Veteran dies in a war it touches more people lives than one could imagine. When a person serves in the military and become a Veteran that too changes their lives forever. More than any non Veteran could imagine.

That photo right there is all that should be necessary for the masses to rise up and depose the sadistic thugs sending our children off to oil and resource wars for their corporate interests.

all of us!

Cmicsfee

**gesture**

FreedomStands Wrote:

Isn't joining the military when the leaders are liars and tricksters, a bad thing?

Enlistees may not see it that way. Patriotism, desire to serve country, family tradition surely motivates some. Others may join because they perceive no opportunities for them in the civilian sector and they can't afford to beef up credentials, develop more marketable skills after leaving high school. We know vets who now rail about the liars and tricksters, etc. just like you and so many other good decent citizens. Why not embrace our vets and their families, give them a hand, or at the least get off the high horse when you realize someone has returned from war experience?

**CourtDude**

Vlad Wrote:

This candle light needs to be bumped/reignited into oblivion.
I most of all bitter over bushes lack of support for leftovers from their wars.

The wisest post I have seen made in my one year here Vlad!

**FreedomStands**

molson Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
Isn't joining the military when the leaders are liars and tricksters, a bad thing?

Not everyone realises they are being lied to, if they have been lied to, until well after the fact.

Don't lose sight of the fact that many join to further their education or simply to have a job.

Yeah, I understand that, and people can be urged by various factors also. I do think it is pretty bad though to be placed in a situation where one is going to take lives or assist in taking lives, but not everyone is trained (or brainwashed) to avoid taking lives.

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 90567 04-15-2012 11:48 PM

Poverty, Education, and the American Dream in Contemporary Rural America Final 2011
http://povertyeducationfinal2011.postero...r-to-fight

“Eighteen American war veterans kill themselves every day. One thousand former soldiers receiving care from Department of Veteran’s Affairs attempt suicide every month. More veterans are committing suicide then are dying in combat overseas.”[1] It is undeniable that the costs of war go far beyond the dollars and cents attributed to it by the policy makers in Washington. The human cost of war is often lost in the chaos of our daily lives, drowned out by political pundits with conflicting messages. And it is not just the physical damage that can be clearly seen, there is also the dark psychological damage that haunts dreams, and drives people to seek refuge in suicide.

But are these costs being distributed equally throughout the population, just as the costs of maintaining our cities are to be evenly distributed? It is clear that they are not, and that most of this burden is falling onto those who are already the most burdened. Miriam Pembelton, a Military Analyst at the Institute for Policy Studies, puts it best when she states, “as people lose jobs, the military becomes the employer of last resort,”[2] something that is increasingly present during the economic slump we’re currently experiencing."

**FreedomStands**

gesture Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
Isn't joining the military when the leaders are liars and tricksters, a bad thing?

Enlistees may not see it that way. Patriotism, desire to serve country, family tradition surely motivates some. Others may join because they perceive no opportunities for them in the civilian sector and they can't afford to beef up credentials, develop more marketable skills after leaving high school. We know vets who now rail about the liars and tricksters, etc. just like you and so many other good decent citizens. Why not embrace our vets and their families, give them a hand, or at the least get off the high horse when you realize someone has returned from war experience?

Well, I think the most worthwhile would be to get their stories to expose the realities of their experience. I don't think you would call it a high horse really, if you empathized with the civilian victims of war.

Imagine for a moment that you're sitting around in your home, and there are military trucks driving by, and suddenly your door is banged in and your family is rounded up and pushed on the floor along with you, and suddenly you hear a gunshot. Then talk to me about some high horses and we can go to a rodeo.

**Timko**

gesture Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
Isn't joining the military when the leaders are liars and tricksters, a bad thing?

Enlistees may not see it that way. Patriotism, desire to serve country, family tradition surely motivates some. Others may join because they perceive no opportunities for them in the civilian sector and they can't afford to beef up credentials, develop more marketable skills after leaving high school. We know vets who now rail about the liars and tricksters, etc. just like you and so many other good decent citizens. Why not embrace our vets and their families, give them a hand, or at the least get off the high horse when you realize someone has returned from war experience?

So we should just let the circle jerk continue? I mean, sure more people will pointlessly die, but more importantly no one will get offended.

And if people join the military to further their career, they're doing it for their personal benefit anyway, so what the f*ck do they even matter?

**Gibbie** · **Gibbie** ^D ^D ^D whoa User ID: 49076 04-15-2012 11:52 PM **Posts: 7,187**

Best way to honor the dead is to not make more of them.

**Vlad**

gesture Wrote:

FreedomStands Wrote:
Isn't joining the military when the leaders are liars and tricksters, a bad thing?

Enlistees may not see it that way. Patriotism, desire to serve country, family tradition surely motivates some. Others may join because they perceive no opportunities for them in the civilian sector and they can't afford to beef up credentials, develop more marketable skills after leaving high school. We know vets who now rail about the liars and tricksters, etc. just like you and so many other good decent citizens. Why not embrace our vets and their families, give them a hand, or at the least get off the high horse when you realize someone has returned from war experience?

So true!
Most people think War is only the gun shooting, but someone pulls the trigger.

I do think it´s noble at times, Afganistan is a pestisided hellhole, but taliban will never win.

They are assed with an cactus , but not know it.
Obama did something right.

**FreedomStands**

Timko Wrote:

So we should just let the circle jerk continue? I mean, sure more people will pointlessly die, but more importantly no one will get offended.

And if people join the military to further their career, they're doing it for their personal benefit anyway, so what the f*ck do they even matter?

I think people need to see there is no honor in supporting the plans of evil people for personal monetary gain or deluded notions of patriotism.

People who study, research, learn, and discover should be honored perhaps, people who didn't make their parents and wives and families miserable with their stupid decisions.