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**vintagevixen**

As regards America. Or Europe. Or anywhere. Seems to be global now.

Your detergent. Your clothes. Our music.

Ah yes technology....well what of it...

As many of us realize, technological "improvements" seem to be in direct opposition to the growth of humanity as to it's finest. Think the Renaissance or Ancient Greeks, etc.

Feel free to beat me up and call me old, but I'm not that old.

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vv

**Motherduck** · **Motherduck** Kiwi Duck User ID: 49375 04-11-2012 04:20 AM **Posts: 8,970**

The way I feel today it was when we left the trees Hiding

but on a good day, we are still improving

**Ray-Ray Debarge** lop guest User ID: 82249 04-11-2012 04:26 AM

I think when it became more profitable to maintain the mediocrity, introduce planned obsolesence for home appliances/automobiles and deter true medical innovation in favor of pharmaceudical corporate shareholder returns. I could be wrong though.

**............** · **............** INFP User ID: 27152 04-11-2012 04:29 AM **Posts: 15,732**

vintagevixen Wrote:

As regards America. Or Europe. Or anywhere. Seems to be global now.

Your detergent. Your clothes. Our music.

Ah yes technology....well what of it...

As many of us realize, technological "improvements" seem to be in direct opposition to the growth of humanity as to it's finest. Think the Renaissance or Ancient Greeks, etc.

Feel free to beat me up and call me old, but I'm not that old.

?

vv

It's the planned obsolescence of products that facilitates the infinite growth paradigm of free market capitalism...

**The Martini Maven**

margarine and monsatos astro-turf

hi VV Heartflowers

**vintagevixen**

Ozymandias Wrote:

I think when it became more profitable to maintain the mediocrity, introduce planned obsolesence for home appliances/automobiles and deter true medical innovation in favor of pharmaceudical corporate shareholder returns. I could be wrong though.

Yes I understand of course Ozy, but no, I want a year. What year for example did our washing machines start to become shitty and fully automated so you couldn't time your cycles because you know exactly what's in there and how long it needs to be washed? Same for our dryers.

Why do I buy premium priced windshield washer blades for my car for the winter only to have them streaking in 3 weeks? Been buying them at different places for years now and the same thing happens.

Why is the look of technology so beautiful but the substance is semi retarded unless one knows where to look?

something like that.

vv

**The Martini Maven**

when china started manufacturing everything???

**Guitar Doctor**

Yup. Got to a point where it was no longer profitable to make things better.

There are a lot of products brought out by large companies just to make sure they never make it t market and put many people out of business. The ceramic motor bought by GM is a good example of this.

If we no longer have to keep consuming then we are not able to be kept under control. People might quit their jobs and just work for themselves of their communities.

Most white-ware appliances use to last longer, cars used to last longer [particularly US cars] this are made to be used up and cause us to have to purchase more.

We are being controlled by economic factors to a large extent. My grandmother used to make most of everything she needed, soap, clothes, baking. Very little had to be purchased.

The convenient culture has programed us to consume and be slaves because of it.

**vintagevixen**

The Martini Maven Wrote:

when china started manufacturing everything???

Yeah that's tied in. Hey Maven :)

I submit that most of our quality of life descended full tilt boogie after 9/11/01 and esp. after the terrorits act. or what is called the P Act.

Think of the global bombshell economy since then that has trickled down to our every day lives. All your neighborhood stores that have closed. Stupid television for the masses...

In spite of it all I try to stay grounded, thanks to the good things in my life. I'm lucky.

Thanks for letting me vent.

Hugs

vv

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vintagevixen Wrote:

As regards America. Or Europe. Or anywhere. Seems to be global now.

Your detergent. Your clothes. Our music.

Ah yes technology....well what of it...

As many of us realize, technological "improvements" seem to be in direct opposition to the growth of humanity as to it's finest. Think the Renaissance or Ancient Greeks, etc.

Feel free to beat me up and call me old, but I'm not that old.

?

vv

See the key word in your post that I highlighted? That is the crux of all the problems...capitalistic ideologies all go back to trying to grow...more profits, more consumption...well mama earth is start to reach her limits..and it's starting to kick their (the corrupt idiotic so called free market capitalists) asses...

**Currahee**

When business people realized that television programming really worked.

**Luvapottamus**

With cars: 1967

They got better again later, but I prefer 67 or older.

**The Martini Maven**

vintagevixen Wrote:

The Martini Maven Wrote:
when china started manufacturing everything???

Yeah that's tied in. Hey Maven :)

I submit that most of our quality of life descended full tilt boogie after 9/11/01 and esp. after the terrorits act. or what is called the P Act.

Think of the global bombshell economy since then that has trickled down to our every day lives. All your neighborhood stores that have closed. Stupid television for the masses...

In spite of it all I try to stay grounded, thanks to the good things in my life. I'm lucky.

Thanks for letting me vent.

vv

hell i feel ya VV

i was born in '62 Scream1

i remember so much about 'life back when' and all the changes

though i think it started before 9/11/01

the shift was happenng to prime the masses

**LoP Guest** lop guest User ID: 12137 04-11-2012 04:51 AM

When profits and quantity became valued more than the qualities that create true and lasting improvements.

I don't think technology is the bad guy but people may be using it to try and overcompensate for the shallowness created by the profits and quantity mindset. I think technology is good when people use it to connect and relate to other people. This way they can get on the same page with things they see headed in the wrong direction and collaborate on how it could be better. Like the premise of this thread and many others. Technology can be a leverage for intelligence, wisdom and human compassion to make 'better' improvements.

**vintagevixen**

Terrific posts here....much food for thought.

It is complicated isn't it? I see things as a spiral but I'm not sure if it's inward or outward. And to what end?

Ahhhh...cars.....Luv stops in 1967. That was a bit before my time of driving but I remember....

Something to be said about that Luvapottamus for sure. The height of America. Sorry my foreign friends :)

I'll never forget my most favorite car I ever drove was the '71 Malibu all the time. My dad's car. V-8. I was sixteen and my dad let me drive it. What a great dad I have....(still with us).

Well I'm not sure if I'm on topic or off topic ...

Hugs
vv