you do remember that Lots daughters bred with their father when they thought they were the only ones left after sodom and gomorrah.

who is to say that the garden inhabitants didnt think the same thing.

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You choose what scientific evidence to believe, and ignore the facts that don't fit in to your views. The logic of this escapes me.

Confirmation bias (also called confirmatory bias, myside bias or verification bias) is a tendency of people to favor information that confirms their beliefs or hypotheses. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs.

Read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

yes, the same way that some scientists will not believe that the earth is not billions of years old, even when the evidence sometimes runs counter to their beliefs and suppositions.

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you cannot prove that adam and eve did not exist can you?

until you do, don't call people that believe it Ignorant.

EVERY SINGLE CULTURE has a creation story and a "flood" story so it's clear that something happened DUH
I'm also quite certain that since the dawn of time there have been questions about origins
but for you and others to simply ignore solid evidence that this planet and its inhabitants are so much older than the 5-6000 year timeline in "The Bible" would indicate, is just sheer willful ignorance.

http://gobeklitepe.info/ HERE's a great place with info that might catapult you into some reality and out of your ignorance. This civilization is dated at roughly twelve thousand years ago, circa 10,000 BC!

Get a friggin grip already.

do you understand how dating methods work? do not place all of your faith in them.

I am about to make it get weirder, this Iceman was dated to around 5,300 yrs ago,

If the bible is correct about the world only being 6000 yrs old, this would make the iceman almost 700 yrs old if he was born in the garden of eden.

this leads me to think that this Iceman could turn out to be Cain.

Legend has it that cain was killed by his own son with an arrow in a hunting accident.

the iceman was killed by an arrow.

since he was lactose intollerant scientists believed he was into agriculture. Cain was into agriculture.

they have recreated from the body what the iceman would have looked like, I am posting it here

could this man be CAIN???????

link to image: http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphi...4E47A6.jpg

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But I should have unquestioning total faith in a daft book cobbled together over centuries by various self-interested people with an agenda of creating a control mechanism over their populace. A book that condones incest and murder and is so full of contradictions that it makes modern politicians look honest.

Just out of interest what is your understanding of scientific dating methods? Maybe if they are provably incorrect you should rethink your stance on the "iceman". He may only be 500years old!

PEOPLE who ask about carbon-14 (14C) dating usually want to
know about the radiometric1 dating methods that are claimed to
give millions and billions of years—carbon dating can only give
thousands of years. People wonder how millions of years could be
squeezed into the biblical account of history.

http://creation.com/images/pdfs/cabook/chapter4.pdf

What exactly does the "Earth became void" mean to you?

And the earth became formless and void." The Hebrew word translated "was formless" in English versions of the Bible is "tohu-va-bohu" a verb which means, "to lay waste, or totally destroyed". (Genesis 1:2)

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If it expects or demands worship, it is not divine!!

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EVERY SINGLE CULTURE has a creation story and a "flood" story so it's clear that something happened DUH
I'm also quite certain that since the dawn of time there have been questions about origins
but for you and others to simply ignore solid evidence that this planet and its inhabitants are so much older than the 5-6000 year timeline in "The Bible" would indicate, is just sheer willful ignorance.

http://gobeklitepe.info/ HERE's a great place with info that might catapult you into some reality and out of your ignorance. This civilization is dated at roughly twelve thousand years ago, circa 10,000 BC!

Get a friggin grip already.

do you understand how dating methods work? do not place all of your faith in them.

so now to add to the bubble of your fantasy, you must include to try to debunk dating methods that are relied upon by the scientific community?

Did you even look at the Gobekli Tepe site? I have an idea, why don't you try to debate the dating methods with those experts!

And it's not just about Gobekli Tepe. These things are evident throughout the planet. Old pyramids, civilizations, etc. Are you suggesting that every single one of these truly ancient places has been "misinterpreted" by science and only the theory that civilization is less than 6k years old is the correct perspective?

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you do remember that Lots daughters bred with their father when they thought they were the only ones left after sodom and gomorrah.

who is to say that the garden inhabitants didnt think the same thing.

Yes, of course I remember Lot's daughters and the children didn't turn out so well. Moab: Mighty men in opposition of Yah; worshiped Baalam. Numbers 21, 22. and Ben-Ammi 'son of my kin' and father of the Ammonites. Ammon/amon (Ra). In the Book of Judges, the Ammonites work with Eglon, king of the Moabites against Israel. Israel is not just a country and the jews are not the apple of Yah's eye, Israel collectively are those who follow and worship YHVH. In other words, both of Lot's daughters bore sons who worked to destroy Yah's people. Yah never changes and incest is an abomination.

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I am about to make it get weirder, this Iceman was dated to around 5,300 yrs ago,

If the bible is correct about the world only being 6000 yrs old, this would make the iceman almost 700 yrs old if he was born in the garden of eden.

this leads me to think that this Iceman could turn out to be Cain.

Legend has it that cain was killed by his own son with an arrow in a hunting accident.

the iceman was killed by an arrow.

since he was lactose intollerant scientists believed he was into agriculture. Cain was into agriculture.

they have recreated from the body what the iceman would have looked like, I am posting it here

could this man be CAIN???????

link to image: http://imgupld.lunaticoutpost.com/graphi...4E47A6.jpg

That looks like one of the mod's brother. Could it be?

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do you understand how dating methods work? do not place all of your faith in them.

so now to add to the bubble of your fantasy, you must include to try to debunk dating methods that are relied upon by the scientific community?

Did you even look at the Gobekli Tepe site? I have an idea, why don't you try to debate the dating methods with those experts!

And it's not just about Gobekli Tepe. These things are evident throughout the planet. Old pyramids, civilizations, etc. Are you suggesting that every single one of these truly ancient places has been "misinterpreted" by science and only the theory that civilization is less than 6k years old is the correct perspective?

I am suggesting that the bible is correct and mankind is wrong.

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you do remember that Lots daughters bred with their father when they thought they were the only ones left after sodom and gomorrah.

who is to say that the garden inhabitants didnt think the same thing.

Yes, of course I remember Lot's daughters and the children didn't turn out so well. Moab: Mighty men in opposition of Yah; worshiped Baalam. Numbers 21, 22. and Ben-Ammi 'son of my kin' and father of the Ammonites. Ammon/amon (Ra). In the Book of Judges, the Ammonites work with Eglon, king of the Moabites against Israel. Israel is not just a country and the jews are not the apple of Yah's eye, Israel collectively are those who follow and worship YHVH. In other words, both of Lot's daughters bore sons who worked to destroy Yah's people. Yah never changes and incest is an abomination.

they didnt turn out so well? could that be because cain had newly created uncorrupted DNA and Lot who came after the flood had mutations in his?

Just because the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha were not canonized by the romans doesn't mean it doesn't offer much valuable historical information.

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so now to add to the bubble of your fantasy, you must include to try to debunk dating methods that are relied upon by the scientific community?

Did you even look at the Gobekli Tepe site? I have an idea, why don't you try to debate the dating methods with those experts!

And it's not just about Gobekli Tepe. These things are evident throughout the planet. Old pyramids, civilizations, etc. Are you suggesting that every single one of these truly ancient places has been "misinterpreted" by science and only the theory that civilization is less than 6k years old is the correct perspective?

I am suggesting that the bible is correct and mankind is wrong.

but we already KNOW that the bible is not correct in the same way you mean it. It's been proven beyond any reasonable question. "Faith" just doesn't make it all of a sudden "right" because someone believes it, any more than some prince is gonna come wake you out of a death grip because you're kissed! Lots of women believe that, too! There was a thread on here just last week showing again how the whole story was manipulated by a Caesar, and he left clues to prove it. Over and over again - everything from Jesus was NOT born on December 25th, to historical events being debunked to what is believed today about the "Trinity". LOTS of people believe that Christopher Columbus discovered America, too, but that's just not the truth!

In addition to that, there are how many other millions or billions of individuals who believe similarly to you but have their own spin that they of course believe is "more" correct and you're wrong.

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Just because the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha were not canonized by the romans doesn't mean it doesn't offer much valuable historical information.

Neesie doesn't really believe its Cain, she's just here to promote bible BS!!
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NEESIE  Wrote:

Wuzzup  Wrote:

Yes, of course I remember Lot's daughters and the children didn't turn out so well. Moab: Mighty men in opposition of Yah; worshiped Baalam. Numbers 21, 22. and Ben-Ammi 'son of my kin' and father of the Ammonites. Ammon/amon (Ra). In the Book of Judges, the Ammonites work with Eglon, king of the Moabites against Israel. Israel is not just a country and the jews are not the apple of Yah's eye, Israel collectively are those who follow and worship YHVH. In other words, both of Lot's daughters bore sons who worked to destroy Yah's people. Yah never changes and incest is an abomination.

they didnt turn out so well? could that be because cain had newly created uncorrupted DNA and Lot who came after the flood had mutations in his?

Um, no. Cain's DNA was corrupt from the very beginning. Maybe you're thinking of Seth who had noncorrupt DNA.