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"If any other of our presidents had... "
Libertarian Hippy
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Received this from my cousin in an email today... some of these points I know to be true. Some I've never heard before...

Anyone care to debunk any or all of the points below? Sorry if this is old and has already been around the block.... Heartflowers

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"IF"

"SOME OF YOU WILL APPRECIATE THIS AND SOME OF YOU WILL NOT.

I DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR SENDING THIS BECAUSE ALL OF IT IS TRUE.

If any other of our presidents had doubled the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had criticized a state law that he admitted he never even read, would you think that he is just an ignorant hot head?

If any other of our presidents joined the country of Mexico and sued a state in the United States to force that state to continue to allow illegal immigration, would you question his patriotism and wonder who's side he was on?

If any other of our presidents had pronounced the Marine Corps like Marine Corpse, would you think him an idiot?

If any other of our presidents had put 87,000 workers out of work by arbitrarily placing a moratorium on offshore oil drilling on companies that have one of the best safety records of any industry because one foreign company had an accident, would you have agreed?

If any other of our presidents had used a forged document as the basis of the moratorium that would render 87000 American workers unemployed would you support him?

If any other of our presidents had been the first President to need a Teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

If any other of our presidents had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take his First Lady to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had reduced your retirement plan holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought it a proud moment for America ?

If any other of our presidents had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had visited Austria and made reference to the nonexistent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If any other of our presidents had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had stated that there were 57 states in the United States , wouldn't you have had second thoughts about his capabilities?

If any other of our presidents would have flown all the way to Denmark to make a five minute speech about how the Olympics would benefit him walking out his front door in his home town, would you not have thought he was a self important, conceited, egotistical jerk.

If any other of our presidents had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, wouldn't you have winced in embarrassment?

If any other of our presidents had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?

If any other of our presidents' administrations had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

If any other of our presidents had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

If any other of our presidents had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America , would you have ever approved.

If any other of our presidents had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive?

Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 21 months -- so you have that much time to come up with an answer.

Every statement and action in this email is factual and directly attributable to Barrack Hussein Obama. Every bumble is a matter of record and completely verifiable.

I WONDER HOW MANY OF YOU WILL FORWARD THIS ?
"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

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RE: "If any other of our presidents had... "
I'm sure that most thinking individuals realize this, and, in fact, his list of "errors" go far beyond these bumblings....into the realm of the criminal...

What to do, what to do?
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RE: "If any other of our presidents had... "
For most of it, a lot of presidents have done all those things. If any other president had done it would you have noticed? chuckle Apparently not

Seriously.

The debt? It doubled from 1980-1990, the Reagan years. It doubled from 1990-2000 the Clinton years. It doubles about every 10 years with the cycle getting shorter and shorter each time.

He's not the first president to use a teleprompter, not even close. Maybe it just seems that way because Bush was one of the few that didn't use one.

Presidents spend enormous amounts of money all the time to go to social events like plays, some of them to deadly consequence ;)

Presidents bow and show respect to foreign dignitaries with foreign cultural traditions.

All the stupid things he's said? Do you not remember all the stupid things Bush said? Or what about Clinton "It depends on what your definition of IS is"

I'm sure someone that wanted to can probably find that just about everything on the list has been done, or something similar, by some other asshole president. I think people get too caught up over a single person. A single person cannot wreck this much havoc, I believe TPTB want people to think that though.

“You don’t want to become so open-minded that the wind can whistle between your ears.” ~Terence McKenna
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RE: "If any other of our presidents had... "
Currahee  Wrote: (03-06-2011 08:08 PM)
For most of it, a lot of presidents have done all those things. If any other president had done it would you have noticed? chuckle Apparently not

Seriously.

The debt? It doubled from 1980-1990, the Reagan years. It doubled from 1990-2000 the Clinton years. It doubles about every 10 years with the cycle getting shorter and shorter each time.

He's not the first president to use a teleprompter, not even close. Maybe it just seems that way because Bush was one of the few that didn't use one.

Presidents spend enormous amounts of money all the time to go to social events like plays, some of them to deadly consequence ;)

Presidents bow and show respect to foreign dignitaries with foreign cultural traditions.

All the stupid things he's said? Do you not remember all the stupid things Bush said? Or what about Clinton "It depends on what your definition of IS is"

I'm sure someone that wanted to can probably find that just about everything on the list has been done, or something similar, by some other asshole president. I think people get too caught up over a single person. A single person cannot wreck this much havoc, I believe TPTB want people to think that though.

I'll say from the outset I'm not particularly a fan of the Bushes or Clinton. With that said, there are a few things that set Obama apart from all the rest. For instance, the annual budget deficit ALONE is nearly equal to the TOTAL national debt when Reagan left office.

Other Presidents use the teleprompter. But were they not able to voice a complete thought AT ALL (even Bush could do this) with one?

I don't know about anyone else, but I've never heard of a First Family going on more vacations (hugely expensive ones like this) in a 21 month period than this one. You would think these would be curtailed during an economic downturn. Nope. I would lay big money down on a bet that the Obamas have spent more on vacations than any other presidency in American history. You would think Obama would have something better to do than golf and play basketball during some of the world's worst crises. Nope. Even Bush stopped playing golf when the media criticized him for it.

I've never known one of our presidents to bow before anybody with the frequency this guy does it. In fact, I'm not aware of any of them doing it AT ALL. I can't imagine any of them doing this, even Clinton.

So yeah, we're in uncharted territory here.

Old School.
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Boy, when you put it all together, it scares the crap out of me!
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Currahee
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RE: "If any other of our presidents had... "
Doc Holliday  Wrote: (03-06-2011 08:37 PM)
Currahee  Wrote: (03-06-2011 08:08 PM)
For most of it, a lot of presidents have done all those things. If any other president had done it would you have noticed? chuckle Apparently not

Seriously.

The debt? It doubled from 1980-1990, the Reagan years. It doubled from 1990-2000 the Clinton years. It doubles about every 10 years with the cycle getting shorter and shorter each time.

He's not the first president to use a teleprompter, not even close. Maybe it just seems that way because Bush was one of the few that didn't use one.

Presidents spend enormous amounts of money all the time to go to social events like plays, some of them to deadly consequence ;)

Presidents bow and show respect to foreign dignitaries with foreign cultural traditions.

All the stupid things he's said? Do you not remember all the stupid things Bush said? Or what about Clinton "It depends on what your definition of IS is"

I'm sure someone that wanted to can probably find that just about everything on the list has been done, or something similar, by some other asshole president. I think people get too caught up over a single person. A single person cannot wreck this much havoc, I believe TPTB want people to think that though.

I'll say from the outset I'm not particularly a fan of the Bushes or Clinton. With that said, there are a few things that set Obama apart from all the rest. For instance, the annual budget deficit ALONE is nearly equal to the TOTAL national debt when Reagan left office.

Other Presidents use the teleprompter. But were they not able to voice a complete thought AT ALL (even Bush could do this) with one?

I don't know about anyone else, but I've never heard of a First Family going on more vacations (hugely expensive ones like this) in a 21 month period than this one. You would think these would be curtailed during an economic downturn. Nope. I would lay big money down on a bet that the Obamas have spent more on vacations than any other presidency in American history. You would think Obama would have something better to do than golf and play basketball during some of the world's worst crises. Nope. Even Bush stopped playing golf when the media criticized him for it.

I've never known one of our presidents to bow before anybody with the frequency this guy does it. In fact, I'm not aware of any of them doing it AT ALL. I can't imagine any of them doing this, even Clinton.

So yeah, we're in uncharted territory here.

Same territory, maybe we're just more aware of it with our heightened awareness. All presidents have bowed, or kissed cheeks, or removed their shows, or done whatever is customary to show respect in foreign cultures. At least for the last 100 years. Do some research.

G.W. Bush still holds the record for vacation days in a single term, he broke his own record the second term. And this was right after 9/11.

I don't like the guy, at all. Politicians are not regular people. If he comes off a bigger asshat than the rest I believe it's just because more people are looking for his asshatness. The next asshat will be the same.

“You don’t want to become so open-minded that the wind can whistle between your ears.” ~Terence McKenna
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Currahee  Wrote: (03-06-2011 08:47 PM)
I don't like the guy, at all. Politicians are not regular people. If he comes off a bigger asshat than the rest I believe it's just because more people are looking for his asshatness. The next asshat will be the same.

Agreed!

It is so challenging to get people to open their eyes without polarizing!

Popcorn
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RE: "If any other of our presidents had... "
just ducky  Wrote: (03-06-2011 07:33 PM)
Received this from my cousin in an email today... some of these points I know to be true. Some I've never heard before...

Anyone care to debunk any or all of the points below? Sorry if this is old and has already been around the block.... Heartflowers

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"IF"

"SOME OF YOU WILL APPRECIATE THIS AND SOME OF YOU WILL NOT.

I DO NOT APOLOGIZE FOR SENDING THIS BECAUSE ALL OF IT IS TRUE.

If any other of our presidents had doubled the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had criticized a state law that he admitted he never even read, would you think that he is just an ignorant hot head?

If any other of our presidents joined the country of Mexico and sued a state in the United States to force that state to continue to allow illegal immigration, would you question his patriotism and wonder who's side he was on?

If any other of our presidents had pronounced the Marine Corps like Marine Corpse, would you think him an idiot?

If any other of our presidents had put 87,000 workers out of work by arbitrarily placing a moratorium on offshore oil drilling on companies that have one of the best safety records of any industry because one foreign company had an accident, would you have agreed?

If any other of our presidents had used a forged document as the basis of the moratorium that would render 87000 American workers unemployed would you support him?

If any other of our presidents had been the first President to need a Teleprompter installed to be able to get through a press conference, would you have laughed and said this is more proof of how inept he is on his own and is really controlled by smarter men behind the scenes?

If any other of our presidents had spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to take his First Lady to a play in NYC, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had reduced your retirement plan holdings of GM stock by 90% and given the unions a majority stake in GM, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had given Gordon Brown a set of inexpensive and incorrectly formatted DVDs, when Gordon Brown had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have thought it a proud moment for America ?

If any other of our presidents had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia , would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had visited Austria and made reference to the nonexistent "Austrian language," would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?

If any other of our presidents had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current in their income taxes, would you have approved?

If any other of our presidents had stated that there were 57 states in the United States , wouldn't you have had second thoughts about his capabilities?

If any other of our presidents would have flown all the way to Denmark to make a five minute speech about how the Olympics would benefit him walking out his front door in his home town, would you not have thought he was a self important, conceited, egotistical jerk.

If any other of our presidents had been so Spanish illiterate as to refer to "Cinco de Cuatro" in front of the Mexican ambassador when it was the 5th of May (Cinco de Mayo), and continued to flub it when he tried again, wouldn't you have winced in embarrassment?

If any other of our presidents had burned 9,000 gallons of jet fuel to go plant a single tree on Earth Day, would you have concluded he's a hypocrite?

If any other of our presidents' administrations had okayed Air Force One flying low over millions of people followed by a jet fighter in downtown Manhattan causing widespread panic, would you have wondered whether they actually get what happened on 9-11?

If any other of our presidents had failed to send relief aid to flood victims throughout the Midwest with more people killed or made homeless than in New Orleans , would you want it made into a major ongoing political issue with claims of racism and incompetence?

If any other of our presidents had created the position of 32 Czars who report directly to him, bypassing the House and Senate on much of what is happening in America , would you have ever approved.

If any other of our presidents had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?

So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive?

Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 21 months -- so you have that much time to come up with an answer.

Every statement and action in this email is factual and directly attributable to Barrack Hussein Obama. Every bumble is a matter of record and completely verifiable.

I WONDER HOW MANY OF YOU WILL FORWARD THIS ?
"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

Im sorry that you only started paying attention when a proper hate session figure came into view.
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RE: "If any other of our presidents had... "
just ducky  Wrote: (03-06-2011 09:13 PM)
Currahee  Wrote: (03-06-2011 08:47 PM)
I don't like the guy, at all. Politicians are not regular people. If he comes off a bigger asshat than the rest I believe it's just because more people are looking for his asshatness. The next asshat will be the same.

Agreed!

It is so challenging to get people to open their eyes without polarizing!

there won't be a next asshat....

the truth is hard to swallow baby get a bigger bottle
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Quote: f any other of our presidents had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved? unquote

lololol. This one made me chuckle, considering that President Obama is the TOP CEO of ALL the major corporations. so yeah, maybe he did have the authority to fire that ceo.

When are people going to wake up and stop judging these Presidents on the standard of the original constitution? Many years ago, a coup by a group called "The Federal Reserve" was preformed and most still don't realize it.

AP
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All of those things are Bush's fault.... now agree or be racist End
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LoP Guest  Wrote: (03-06-2011 08:44 PM)
Boy, when you put it all together, it scares the crap out of me!

Check under your bed.

Fools believe fools.
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RE: "If any other of our presidents had... "
G. W. Bush spent 1020 days total in eight years.
487 days at Camp David
490 days at Crawford Ranch
43 days at Kennebunkport Compound

Carter took 79 days in 4 years.
Clinton took 152 days in 8 years.
Reagan took 335 days in 8 years.
Bush Sr. took 543 days in 4 years!

Presidents are really never on vacation.
To me, it's how much of our money do they spent on these vacations during the goods times verses the bad times. Where they go makes a huge difference in cost. But, as typical, politicians suck and don't really give a crap about us slaves. Human farming sucks.........to be a part of.
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RE: "If any other of our presidents had... "
Currahee  Wrote: (03-06-2011 08:47 PM)
Doc Holliday  Wrote: (03-06-2011 08:37 PM)
Currahee  Wrote: (03-06-2011 08:08 PM)
For most of it, a lot of presidents have done all those things. If any other president had done it would you have noticed? chuckle Apparently not

Seriously.

The debt? It doubled from 1980-1990, the Reagan years. It doubled from 1990-2000 the Clinton years. It doubles about every 10 years with the cycle getting shorter and shorter each time.

He's not the first president to use a teleprompter, not even close. Maybe it just seems that way because Bush was one of the few that didn't use one.

Presidents spend enormous amounts of money all the time to go to social events like plays, some of them to deadly consequence ;)

Presidents bow and show respect to foreign dignitaries with foreign cultural traditions.

All the stupid things he's said? Do you not remember all the stupid things Bush said? Or what about Clinton "It depends on what your definition of IS is"

I'm sure someone that wanted to can probably find that just about everything on the list has been done, or something similar, by some other asshole president. I think people get too caught up over a single person. A single person cannot wreck this much havoc, I believe TPTB want people to think that though.

I'll say from the outset I'm not particularly a fan of the Bushes or Clinton. With that said, there are a few things that set Obama apart from all the rest. For instance, the annual budget deficit ALONE is nearly equal to the TOTAL national debt when Reagan left office.

Other Presidents use the teleprompter. But were they not able to voice a complete thought AT ALL (even Bush could do this) with one?

I don't know about anyone else, but I've never heard of a First Family going on more vacations (hugely expensive ones like this) in a 21 month period than this one. You would think these would be curtailed during an economic downturn. Nope. I would lay big money down on a bet that the Obamas have spent more on vacations than any other presidency in American history. You would think Obama would have something better to do than golf and play basketball during some of the world's worst crises. Nope. Even Bush stopped playing golf when the media criticized him for it.

I've never known one of our presidents to bow before anybody with the frequency this guy does it. In fact, I'm not aware of any of them doing it AT ALL. I can't imagine any of them doing this, even Clinton.

So yeah, we're in uncharted territory here.

Same territory, maybe we're just more aware of it with our heightened awareness. All presidents have bowed, or kissed cheeks, or removed their shows, or done whatever is customary to show respect in foreign cultures. At least for the last 100 years. Do some research.

G.W. Bush still holds the record for vacation days in a single term, he broke his own record the second term. And this was right after 9/11.

I don't like the guy, at all. Politicians are not regular people. If he comes off a bigger asshat than the rest I believe it's just because more people are looking for his asshatness. The next asshat will be the same.

Actually C, Bush did go on vacation but to HIS ranch, one he owned and spent much of his time working by all accounts. Also I do believe obama is the first to bow to Saudi and China but if I'm wrong, I owe you a coke.

It really is.

TANSTAAFL

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While I do not support Obama, I'm pretty sure most of our current problems began with the reign of King Bush II. And some of them with Clinton, a few more with Bush I, a ton of them with Reagan, and a shitload of them with Nixon.

What Obama inherited is called "coming to a head".

In any case, it's the CFR that runs things. The figurehead in charge is just a way to keep track time.
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